Anil Kumble: Head coach [Update Post 141: Kumble will teach India to deal with 'tough moments']

[sandeep]

This "new guy" dude clearly has some unresolved issues with Tendy and Dhoni that he's working through by bashing Dhoni and bitching and whining @ other posters.  Cheap therapy I guess.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Lol it seems Ganguly ignored Shastri and was not there when they interviewed him 

Dada pushed for Kumble.No doubt.

SG has a very prickly relation with Shastri.

Lol it seems Ganguly ignored Shastri and was not there when they interviewed him 

Dada pushed for Kumble.No doubt.

SG has a very prickly relation with Shastri.

[jusarrived]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

Hey how is the Sachin hate though? Did you turn on him by any chance just to be partial to your Karnataka player Dravid? Maybe? For years? In all comparisons? Across multiple forums? You did not think the pressure Sachin went through when he lost form and got hate from the likes of you after serving his country for 2 decades? Being called selfish and a choker?

 

Nau sau chohe kha kar billi chali hajj ko. (Translation - After eating 900 rats a cat goes to a religious pilgrimage to atone)

 

How about responding to my last reply first ? 

I asked you show me a post where I have said any non Indian batsmen was better than Tendulkar , which you claimed I always do . 

Now another accusation that I have called Tendulkar selfish , again show me .

 

you are like the millionth person whos attacked me on these forums , I can only imgagine what likes of Sharapova must have gone thru . 

My hate is for an embarrassing lot called "Tendulkar fans"  not for the great man himself. 

[jusarrived]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

He is the one who constantly whined about Sachin overstaying for years, him being selfish, him being a choker. Now his beloved Dhoni is targeted and he is throwing a tantrum

Get a life man seriously you lying again, I cant belive the hate I get for just one criticism I have had about Tendulkar , its just that he dint win enough matches for us & that again by his own high standards & in that aspect few other players like VVS , Draid in Tests and MSD and now Virat in LOIs better . 

Thats just my opinion , why so much hate ? 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Kumbles appointment will mean that TENvic people will be back in contention.SC guidelines may ask him to not be directly linked with TENvic but he will still be there.

It was no coincidence that when Kumble was KSCA chief and he supported Srini in the BCCI,TENvic guys got into the Indian team.

Also Manish Pandey alleged that he was threatened by TENvic to sign up with them or his career will be destroyed.

If Kumble tries these tricks again we are doomed.

Ganguly in his effort to sideline Shastri may have done a great disservice to Indian Cricket.

[jusarrived]

On 24/06/2016 at 9:50 AM, rkt.india said:

No one hated Dhoni in 2011 or before not even after that but there is always time, a player needs to realize and leave. When it doesnt happen, he is bound get a few brickbats and excessive criticism.

With Dhoni it had never to do with his form or teams performance . 

The hate started way back when Dhoni started to push some of the seniors out of the team , with Ganguly fans first and then the whole insecure jhund of Tendulkar fans . CSK was another nice excuse as well . 

[jusarrived]

On 24/06/2016 at 8:18 AM, maniac said:

Huh? You think I have the same clout as Kumble to get players selected?

 

Aravind is not even a featured player in IPL leave alone a star performer, yet  inexplicably  finds himself in the squad as well as playing X1 in an important T20 series.

 

 Vinay Kumar playing in Perth as disgusting as it was, I understand why he played...with Praveen Kumar Varun Aaron Munaf Patel  and Sreeshanth( before ban) where all injured then .So in the pecking order fair enough if he was our fourth bowler but that was 2011-2012....he was or is still in the scheme of things till 2015....I can name atleast 8 fast bowlers/trundlers ahead of him in the pecking order.

 

We all have players we like or dislike....but when there is a track record and you are given more power it can be scary.

 

Trust me I respect and I am a big fan of kumble the cricketer.

 

I am not saying you have the same clout , but when all I see is that you only  support players not just from Andhra but also players with Telugu roots like Rohit Sharma , its difficult to take you seriously .

 

 

[Ironhide]

Some foreign coach should have been selected to stop this idiotic regionalism and Player academies like Tenvic coming into discussion. With Ganguly, Sachin, VVS in the committee it was a given that Kumble will get selected. Heck, they asked for his name eventhough Kumble was not in the shortlist of 21 names due to criteria reasons.  

[tweaker]

BCCI secretary Ajay Shirke has said Anil Kumble does not want specialist bowling coach,as he will help bowlers in WI tour 

Edited June 26, 2016 by tweaker

[Forever Indian]

21 minutes ago, tweaker said:

BCCI secretary Ajay Shirke has said Anil Kumble does not want specialist bowling coach,as he will help bowlers in WI tour 

So, there is no idea of developing fast bowlers?

[MK55]

50 minutes ago, tweaker said:

BCCI secretary Ajay Shirke has said Anil Kumble does not want specialist bowling coach,as he will help bowlers in WI tour 

If that's true then its really disappointing. All this talk of Kumble emphasizing our overseas performance goes out of the window. Fast bowlers are crucial for an overseas win and I don't know how the hell is Kumble gonna help in that area.

[The Realist]

On 25/06/2016 at 2:46 PM, sarchasm said:

Neither of these two were qualified for the job. Let us forget about their qualifications for the job. It is their proximity to players and officials within the board that should have had their applications summarily rejected. 

 

Shashtri is a deep establishment man within the BCCI set up. On the other hand, Kumble through his ventures and recency is ill fitted for the coaching job. 

 

But that is not all. The rot and malaise here is much, much deeper. BCCI, in its usual dog and pony show, handed over the entire selection process to a panel of eminent retirees to achieve two things: 

 

1) Show the public how much it cares for the opinion of legends

 

2) Wash of its hands entirely from the selection process

 

 

The fact is that the selection panel had no experience or expertise in carrying out such an exercise. In fact, save Dravid who has dabbled with coaching, none of these retirees have been involved with Indian cricket in any way except their media commitments. Look at the timelines of the whole selection process, and it stinks. 

Excellent points.

 

Duncan Fletcher in a retirement home has better coaching credentials than the sorry short list of friends & relatives dreamt up by the bcci.

 

And asking old washed up players who have zero coaching & limited administrative experience to select a coach is just embarrassing. Just like the the whole cricketing structure.

[beetle]

I  am glad it is not Shastri and also that the appointment is for one year.It gives people enough time too assess Kumble as a coach ....but not long enough to cause much damage if he is a bad one.

 

I really don't understand why BCCI put up the minimum criteria if they were not serious about enforcing it.

Kumbles conflict of interest is also another aspect that needs to be looked into.It is one thing for Kumble to say it will be looked into before he takes over as coach...it is another to make sure it is just not an eye wash.

 

I am Glad Dravid has stayed out of this whole thing and sticking to coaching juniors . I just hope all the players including the guys selecting and the guy selected do not end up losing  the respect they earned as players .

[Forever Indian]

Let us not be too negative with Kumble’s selection without giving him a chance to prove how worthful or worthless he will be as a Coach. We gave a chance to Gary Kirsten without any coaching experience and he turned out to be the best coach for India in terms of results. We have also given chance to someone with oodles of coaching experience Duncan Fletcher who flattered to deceive with results or PROCESS. So time will only tell if Kumble is a good selection.

 

I remember that when Kirsten was interviewed he did not have any coaching experience but he had a vision and made a statement that he will take India to no. 1 ranking in tests (in 18 months from when he joined) and will make the team win the next World Cup and delivered on those visions. I believe Kumble has also made a good presentation on his vision for the team for each format, now it’s all up to whether he can deliver on those.

 

The one fatal mistake that he has done at the start of his tenure is to not have a fast bowler coach. Of all the various faculties appointed this was to be the position that would add most value and would have love Zaheer Khan to have been involved.

[maniac]

Gary Kirsten benefitted from being at the right time at the right place...in a team that was full of superstars and at it's peak....also he was smart to know when to call quits.

 

Duncan Fletcher and Kirsten are the 2 sides of the same coin.

 

They both were good man-managers but their strategy was totally lacking

 

Now on the other end there is Greg Chappell....whose talent pool initiative gave us players who won India many games but was a string personality who did not know how to man-manage and turned out to be a disaster.

 

The ideal candidate should be someone who is a mix of both but obviously no one is perfect.

 

Given that we don't have those kind of legendary names anymore bar 1-2 players,it is better if we go with someone who is 70% Chappell and 30% Kirsten.

 

And I know Kumble is not that guy......Kumble has no experience as a strategist at any level,leave alone IPL-Yes he was a captain for a brief period and had the respect of team players and will still continue to have.

 

As a man manager Kumble doesn't need anything specific as all the kids in the dressing room will be in awe

 

but

 

Kumble's has clouded talent management.....He was never a great technician in his day with the bat or ball, his presence will put him in autocratic postion.

 

Mark my words....I don't say things with this much conviction...speaking purely from cricketing acumen...this is a ticking time bomb a disaster........We will be back to the glory days of Sujith Somasunder,Dodda Ganesh and David Johnson with a mediocre Sunil Joshi earning a regular spots keeping out other talented spinners

 

 

[gattaca]

26 minutes ago, maniac said:

Gary Kirsten benefitted from being at the right time at the right place...in a team that was full of superstars and at it's peak....also he was smart to know when to call quits.

 

Duncan Fletcher and Kirsten are the 2 sides of the same coin.

 

They both were good man-managers but their strategy was totally lacking

 

Now on the other end there is Greg Chappell....whose talent pool initiative gave us players who won India many games but was a string personality who did not know how to man-manage and turned out to be a disaster.

 

The ideal candidate should be someone who is a mix of both but obviously no one is perfect.

 

Given that we don't have those kind of legendary names anymore bar 1-2 players,it is better if we go with someone who is 70% Chappell and 30% Kirsten.

 

And I know Kumble is not that guy......Kumble has no experience as a strategist at any level,leave alone IPL-Yes he was a captain for a brief period and had the respect of team players and will still continue to have.

 

As a man manager Kumble doesn't need anything specific as all the kids in the dressing room will be in awe

 

but

 

Kumble's has clouded talent management.....He was never a great technician in his day with the bat or ball, his presence will put him in autocratic postion.

 

Mark my words....I don't say things with this much conviction...speaking purely from cricketing acumen...this is a ticking time bomb a disaster........We will be back to the glory days of Sujith Somasunder,Dodda Ganesh and David Johnson with a mediocre Sunil Joshi earning a regular spots keeping out other talented spinners

 

 

One year is not that bad. Also kumble is not chief selector. Wasnt he the one who selected Ishant sharma a 19 year on tour of Australia as a captain ? Is Ravi shastri great strategist ? 

Edited June 27, 2016 by gattaca

[maniac]

8 minutes ago, gattaca said:

One year is not that bad. Also kumble is not chief selector. Wasnt he the one who selected Ishant sharma a 19 year on tour of Australia as a captain ? Is Ravi shastri great strategist ? 

Kumble's only selling point so far that he is better than Shastri.

 

Yes Coach is not the chief selector and then again Coach is appointed by BCCI not by legendary ex-players....similarly another legendary ex-player might have a lot of clout with selections too especially if he runs a sports management firm,

 

On one hand you say Coach captain are not slectors and on the other hand you say Kumble selected Ishant

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2016 by maniac

[maniac]

On 6/25/2016 at 7:53 AM, jusarrived said:

 

I am not saying you have the same clout , but when all I see is that you only  support players not just from Andhra but also players with Telugu roots like Rohit Sharma , its difficult to take you seriously .

 

 

Again......Of course if I have personal preferences it won't have a serious consequence just like you might like or dislike some players....no big deal....but If I become an administrator or get into a management role than if I support players or have preferences that becomes a problem...case in point-Tenvic

[The Realist]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Kumble's only selling point so far that he is better than Shastri.

 

Yes Coach is not the chief selector and then again Coach is appointed by BCCI not by legendary ex-players....similarly another legendary ex-player might have a lot of clout with selections too especially if he runs a sports management firm,

 

On one hand you say Coach captain are not slectors and on the other hand you say Kumble selected Ishant

 

 

 

Selecting Ishant is not actually something to shout about. The buffoon has played a decade of cricket and looks no better than when he made his debut. 

 

Don't forget the days of Mohanty, Rathore, Ankola etc. Good times are coming back  

[Vilander]

On 6/25/2016 at 0:52 AM, gakgupta said:

Gangulys passion for Indian cricket is over whelming.....total respect

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Total Respect for Ganguly. He will fight dirty for Indian cric