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Sourav Ganguly was disrespectful: Ravi Shastri [Update Post 18: Ganguly responds]

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Malcolm,

 

A new thread for every comment / article ?

 

Much easier to read and discuss if you use the already existing threads on similar topic ..

 

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/96615-anil-kumble-head-coach/

 

or

 

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/96635-india-coach-selection-panel-was-aware-ganguly-would-miss-shastri-interviewcommittee-recommended-more-than-one-name/

 

 

 

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Shastri did not deserve to be a coach when he was appointed more than a year back but based on BCCI's criteria he checked the box and not Kumble.....Kumble at best is a good administrator and a go getter based on his success previously...if he wanted to get into the coachin side and had a blue-print...he should have started at the grass root level like Dravid.

 

Special Respect to Dravid,.....no shortcuts :hatsoff: 

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Technically he has a right to be mad. A group of ex players pick their ex teammate and one doesn't even bother to show up to his interview implying that he had no chance and they were just wasting his time. But no one seems to like shastri enough to care about it.

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If other candidates are coming in for an in-person interview, Shastri should have taken that initiative too .... 1st he is vacationing when the interviews are being conducted (iirc) .... 2nd, he gives an imp interview on Skype .... 3rd, he complains about others not being present when he is on Skype and when who should be present is none of his business as far as the interviewing panel is ok

 

Appears as if Shastri thought that by just applying he would get the job. That could work with BCCI but not with the likes of Ganguly, VVS and SRT .... And when a heavy weight and ATG player like Kumble applies and also gives an in-person presentation, chances of other candidates automatically become slim 

 

 

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13 hours ago, rett said:

If other candidates are coming in for an in-person interview, Shastri should have taken that initiative too .... 1st he is vacationing when the interviews are being conducted (iirc) .... 2nd, he gives an imp interview on Skype .... 3rd, he complains about others not being present when he is on Skype and when who should be present is none of his business as far as the interviewing panel is ok

 

Appears as if Shastri thought that by just applying he would get the job. That could work with BCCI but not with the likes of Ganguly, VVS and SRT .... And when a heavy weight and ATG player like Kumble applies and also gives an in-person presentation, chances of other candidates automatically become slim 

 

 

Oh come on ... you must give the guy a lot of credit for taking precious time off his vacation to do an interview.  

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8 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Shastri was leading candidate till Kumble dropped in.

Oh ok. Now i know why he is so butt hurt. But why pick Dada. I m sure everyone must have unanimously decided Kumble was right choice.

By the way who the hell is Shastri to judge Ganguly was disrespectful to "selection process" if anything, Ganguli was part of the process.

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33 minutes ago, mishra said:

Oh ok. Now i know why he is so butt hurt. But why pick Dada. I m sure everyone must have unanimously decided Kumble was right choice.

By the way who the hell is Shastri to judge Ganguly was disrespectful to "selection process" if anything, Ganguli was part of the process.

last decision was of Anurag Thakur.

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Former India captain Sourav Ganguly hit back at Ravi Shastri, saying the former Team Director has made his non-selection as head coach 'very personal' and he is hurt by the latter's 'immature comments'.

Shastri had said that Ganguly should 'take his job seriously', after the Cricket Association of Bengal president, who was part of the Cricket Advisory Committee which included Sachin Tendulkar and VVS Laxman, was absent during his interview for the post of India's head coach.

Reacting to the comments, Ganguly said, "I just feel his (Shastri) comments are very personal. If Ravi Shastri feels that Sourav Ganguly was responsible for him not being the India coach, he is living in a fool's world.

The CAB president launched a stinging attack on the Mumbaikar, saying the former team director should have been present for the interview rather than connecting through video conference while holidaying in Bangkok.

Shastri's interview was conducted by Tendulkar, VVS Laxman and BCCI convenor Sanjay Jagdale through video conference.

"It angers me that he gave a suggestion that I should be available for such meetings. I have been a part of BCCI meetings for some time and I have always been available. My advice to Ravi is that when the coach of India is selected and one of the most important jobs, he should be in front of the committee and not sit in Bangkok and give a presentation while being on a holiday.

"I read in a couple of newspapers and chose to ignore it. I am extremely saddened that he went on air to express his view. Specially someone who has been in every BCCI committee for the last 20 years. He has been in my position for selecting the coach 10 years back.

"He is aware of everything. I informed BCCI on June 19th and I have got official mails. I will circulate those mails once I get a clearance from BCCI," Ganguly said, while speaking to television news channels in Kolkata on Wednesday. 

Ganguly went on to add: “I don't know whether he is serious or not serious, but I hope he was if he wanted one of the most important jobs in the game. But if he is talking about respect then he should have been here as well.

"When you have a three-member committee and important people are involved in the decision-making then it is not just about Sourav Ganguly. So these personal remarks have been very saddening."

On Shastri making comments on public domain against him, Ganguly replied: "He should have shown a bit more maturity, especially for someone who has been in such committees for more than 10 years.

On Anil Kumble starting his stint as India chief coach, Ganguly said: "I wish him all the luck. As I said, he is the best in the world. He is one of the champions of Indian cricket and he will take this team forward."

He did not give a direct answer to queries about it his animosity with Shastri being an open secret in Indian cricket.

"From my side, I have never gone on to make any comments to the media."

He then also gave his account of the itinerary of that day.

"I had informed BCCI that there was a CAB Working Committee meeting that day. Being a president of CAB I had to chair the meeting. Also the notification for a Working Committee is always given 14 days in advance whereas this meeting was fixed two days in advance. Ravi's meeting was scheduled at 4:15 pm and I guess Ravi has got that received as well. BCCI had sent him the time.

"Now while interviewing other candidates, it went past 5 pm and I came out of the meeting. Then Mr (Ajay) Shirke (BCCI secretary) called me and said that others (Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman and co-ordinator Sanjay Jagdale) are requesting if they can continue (with the interviews). I said, ‘fine, let's do that’, as it happens everywhere in the world. That's exactly what happened and I feel comments are very personal in nature."

Earlier, Shastri had accused 'Dada' of being disrespectful for skipping the interview and held him responsible for being denied the top coaching job in Indian cricket.

Shastri, who was India's team director for 18 months, was one of the front-runners to take up the position of head coach. However, the three-member advisory panel selected Anil Kumble.

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/shastri-is-living-in-a-fools-world-ganguly-hits-back/20160629.htm

Its on between Dada and Shastri.

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All i Remember from Ganguly-chapell era is Shastri was the one who supported chapell ideology to kick ganguly out n bringing in change in team and he was very vocal about it specially he was quite in favour of the change happening in indian cricket team.

Not saying shastri was of the favour that chapell shud be put in dominating position but he was critical of ganguly last phase as captain and wanted changes in the team. 

 

Shastri has had always a diff mindset from Indian setup, i wud say he had ideologies similar to Aus cricket but giving an interview from bangkok n not even prep a presentation is not done. If someone like Moody can fly Aus to india then why cant he for a day from bangkok which is nt tht far as Australia . 

 

I dnt blame ganguly n other member for selecting kumble who came all prep and has worked for 2 t20 franchise worked in Association head and worked on every level and still coming in all prepared. Shastri looked to have took the job for guarnteed.

Even though his work has been gud with team specially the phase in which he got the team but giving an interview like that is not done. He might have pulled team out when they were low on confidence with his huge talking but thats it a team needs to go beyond that and u need a vision n roadmap for that, words dnt fix loopholes

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Being called a 'Director' instead of a short term coach has gone to Shastri's head. On top of that his proximity and support from Kohli made his head blow up and he had taken his appointment as a done thing. Him giving a time pass Skype interview while vacationing in Bangkok and without any presentation is exactly what his life style is about. The guy was all over the place for taking credit and invisible when the team's chips were down.

It is good that Kohli has realized the limitations of the cheerleader or realized the new power structure in the BCCI.

 

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Firstly, I appreciated what Ganguly did in the early part of his captaincy career but then he became a liability on the team due to his non performance. So one cant really call me a Ganguly fan, nor am I a hater. 

 

Secondly, Shastri does not deserve to be the coach of the team. In his playing career every time I watched an ODI with Shastri batting, I always prayed that he got out as soon as possible. As a coach, he was equally unimpressive. He bullied his way to have Suresh Raina of all people selected in the Test team only to be rewarded by a pair when Raina played a Test. 

 

 

Now, to comment about the issue, I do feel Ganguly should have attended the interview or if he could not accommodate at the time it was scheduled, at least he should have interviewed Shastri independently at a different time. I have been an interviewer and an interviewee and I feel every candidate selected for an interview process should have an equal chance at being interviewed by the panel. Does that mean Shastri deserved the job? Of course not. I wouldn't have even shortlisted him in the 20 odd candidates picked. I have never even heard any insightful commment from him in the commentary box that would make me think that he has good cricket strategy skills. Rather not have a coach than have Shastri there. 

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4 hours ago, Texan said:

Firstly, I appreciated what Ganguly did in the early part of his captaincy career but then he became a liability on the team due to his non performance. So one cant really call me a Ganguly fan, nor am I a hater. 

 

Secondly, Shastri does not deserve to be the coach of the team. In his playing career every time I watched an ODI with Shastri batting, I always prayed that he got out as soon as possible. As a coach, he was equally unimpressive. He bullied his way to have Suresh Raina of all people selected in the Test team only to be rewarded by a pair when Raina played a Test. 

 

 

Now, to comment about the issue, I do feel Ganguly should have attended the interview or if he could not accommodate at the time it was scheduled, at least he should have interviewed Shastri independently at a different time. I have been an interviewer and an interviewee and I feel every candidate selected for an interview process should have an equal chance at being interviewed by the panel. Does that mean Shastri deserved the job? Of course not. I wouldn't have even shortlisted him in the 20 odd candidates picked. I have never even heard any insightful commment from him in the commentary box that would make me think that he has good cricket strategy skills. Rather not have a coach than have Shastri there. 

 

If you are an interviewer maybe you also like it if the candidate shows up for the interview, instead of logging in on skype. 

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41 minutes ago, kosingh said:

 

If you are an interviewer maybe you also like it if the candidate shows up for the interview, instead of logging in on skype. 

That too without a presentation.

 

The way he acted as the 'Director' ....he probably is even thinking....why the need for this selection  drama when I am there.Last time there was no interview shinterview.:bandit:

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7 hours ago, Texan said:

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Now, to comment about the issue, I do feel Ganguly should have attended the interview or if he could not accommodate at the time it was scheduled, at least he should have interviewed Shastri independently at a different time. I have been an interviewer and an interviewee and I feel every candidate selected for an interview process should have an equal chance at being interviewed by the panel. Does that mean Shastri deserved the job? Of course not. I wouldn't have even shortlisted him in the 20 odd candidates picked. I have never even heard any insightful commment from him in the commentary box that would make me think that he has good cricket strategy skills. Rather not have a coach than have Shastri there. 

Unlike TOI, Cricinfo has not sensationalized the story. Ganguly did plan to attend the interview of Shashtri which was scheduled at 4:30 PM and then he had to chair Bengal Cricket Association meeting around 5 PM.

 

But previous interviews went longer hence Shastri's interview became parallel to Ganguly's CAB meeting.  Now others, proposed they are going ahead with interview and and will brief him later and  Ganguly agrred to that. Shashtri seems more like how dare Ganguly? Or How the hell he didnt get job?

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Frucking Shastri. If Kumble does well, Shastri will take credit by saying that it was he who laid the foundation, and Kumble just came in and enjoyed the benefits of  Shastri's hard work.

 

If Kumble fails, Shastri says "Told ya'll you should have hired me"

 

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13 hours ago, Detonator said:

I think this entire fiasco is created by media. 

Media is only reporting what is happening. Its completely bcci's fault. To begin with they added lots of unnecessary rules; like knowledge of regional language, intl coaching exp, ... They decided to interview all the members on a single day which in itself is a poor decision. One of the selection panel member cannot come in person and joins interview thru video conf. Another panel member had to attend state board committee meeting while the interviews are going on. One attendee with no solid material to present joins thru skype from thailand!!! Finally selected one who was not even in the 21 shortlisted guys and does not satisfy many criteria.

 

I wonder after all this nonsense what will be going thru the mind of tom moody who was the most eligible candidate among the names which were revealed.

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blaming media is little lazy. They are reporting exactly these guys have been saying. basically Dada just owned shastri who was taking it casually. Shastri has clout in the commentary circles and he was supposed to head the mafia that hands out contracts to ex cricketers. Someone like Manju does not have favors from Shastri and is so now getting excited. 

 

Shastri has done decent job but it is not like he is the ultimate choice. I don't know how much ideas/thoughts he has on the practical coaching side of the game. He maybe helping team to be mentally prepared and be confident but at highest level if you do not show concrete plans (which I suppose Kumble would have been ready with) then people will think you really are not that motivated for the job or are simply not capable. He was not even present for this all important meeting then it just plays into the hands of seasoned guy like Ganguly. Ganguly is very strong at cricket administration level and has bigger name as a captain who rebuilt indian team. He is likely to have very strong contacts across BCCI org compared to Shastri. 

 

Shastri just got owned and he is looking bad by the way he is handling it. 

 

Kumble may still turn out to be a bud but Shastri just gave himself no chance. BCCI choose Big 3 to select the coach and the overhelming talk was to choose an Indian guy so guys like Moody had no chance. 

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12 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

* Ravi shastri.I will forever hate him,my first memory of  a sports cry was because of this asshole and his slow batting in ODIs,i used to hide behind the sofa and cry and watch him bat like its a test match in ODIs.

I agree Shastri was selfish, coward n a looser the way he batted, but he was not alone there were others he was the worst

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Shastri says he gave a Skype due to short notice. But kumble had enough time to prepare a hour long presentation and then travel to Kolkata to present it.

Shastri just proved Sourav's point that he was lazy.

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Salute to Dada...that clown shastri got the treatment he deserved....saala chu thought that indian cricket is his 'baap ki jaagir'....HOLIDAYING IN BANGKOK....bloody fool...what do you think of yourself Mr. Shastri?

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11 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

Shastri says he gave a Skype due to short notice. But kumble had enough time to prepare a hour long presentation and then travel to Kolkata to present it.

Shastri just proved Sourav's point that he was lazy.

LOL Forget Kumble, Tom moody had enough time to arrive from australia and shashtribot says he didn't have time? 

Shashtri must have learnt it the hard way as other countries did in the early 2000's . "NEVER MESS WITH DADA" :hatsoff: 

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