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Had to convince Murali to attack-Jayawardene

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 According to Jayawardene, Murali, who is the highest wicket-taker in Test history with 800 scalps, tended to be "a bit stubborn" about his methods and needed cajoling from captains to employ more aggressive tactics.

"Murali was a defensive bowler, but the thing is, they couldn't take him down because he had everything covered," Jayawardene said. "But I was a different captain. I wanted to attack with Murali more, and Murali only attacked when he felt he was in control of the situation, then he'll go all out on attack. But for me it was different, I wanted to use him in a different way. I wanted to create opportunities for him rather than us sitting and waiting for an opening to happen. I think Arjuna (Ranatunga) probably had the same battles with Murali, but with Arjuna, because Murali was young and he was just coming through, he probably didn't have a choice with Arjuna. But with Sanath (Jayasuriya) afterwards as well, it was quite tough for Sanath to tell Murali, 'let's have a bit of attacking mindset'. But that's something that I've always encouraged Murali to do, but we've always found a way to come to a middle ground."

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30 minutes ago, SLICKR392 said:

If Velu has an international wicket, I would rate him over Murali. Made a career out of a fraud action. got sympathy because of his ugly looks. 

His action is not fraudulent. Atleast, not anymore so than 99% of other bowlers. His action is a product of having unique, hyper-flexible wrists. Its pretty self-explanatory if one reads a scientific piece on his action. He has elbow bend in the <15 >10 degrees zone. That happens to be the range where McGrath also, strangely enough, falls,despite having a ramrod-straight looking action.

 

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It's elementary when u R rotating ur arm with ur palm facing north while releasing the ball, it is impossible to not straighten ur arm , Murali in any era would have been called out, even present era he would've like Ajmal, he is a likable person but sure to me not a legal bowler

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14 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

His action is not fraudulent. Atleast, not anymore so than 99% of other bowlers. His action is a product of having unique, hyper-flexible wrists. Its pretty self-explanatory if one reads a scientific piece on his action. He has elbow bend in the <15 >10 degrees zone. That happens to be the range where McGrath also, strangely enough, falls,despite having a ramrod-straight looking action.

 

Murli's bowling action got worse with time. It has nothing to do with his hyper-flexibility but intent. See his bowling videos of 90s and compare them with videos from 2000 on wards when he developed that doosra. They got considerably worse. Even in 1999 WC when Ganguly smoked him at Taunton, his action was pretty good to me but it later progressively got worse as he developed doosra. I didn't really have any problem with his action in 90s.

 

Here is a video of 1995.  His action looks pretty clean from naked eyes here.

 

 

Now compare it to this video from 2006. 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

He clearly chucked , there is no ifs n buts

I would say he was pretty clean in early part of his career in the 90s. When he was called for chucking in Australia, he looked okay but most of his success came in late 90s and 2000s and that's when his action got worse and he chucked blatantly.

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4 hours ago, MCcricket said:

He clearly chucked , there is no ifs n buts

Sorry, science proves you wrong.

 

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I would say he was pretty clean in early part of his career in the 90s. When he was called for chucking in Australia, he looked okay but most of his success came in late 90s and 2000s and that's when his action got worse and he chucked blatantly.

Naked eye test/how one looks bowling on naked eyes is irrelevant to who chucks and who doesnt. As i noted, Murali and McGrath have the same flexion of the elbow. 

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8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

false.

Scientifically, he has been cleared many times. Visually, does not matter. The idea of judging a 3d action from a 2d screen (tv) is as stupid as it gets, really.

 

Ajmal n Murali R the two worst chuckers in cricket history, n their arms bent to over 25 degree min, he would straightaway be called out in this era, n was lucky that he played cricket

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8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

false.

Scientifically, he has been cleared many times. Visually, does not matter. The idea of judging a 3d action from a 2d screen (tv) is as stupid as it gets, really.

 

Ajmal n Murali R the two worst chuckers in cricket history, n their arms bent to over 25 degree min, he would straightaway be called out in this era, n was lucky that he played cricket

Murali-Protractor.jpg

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2 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Ajmal n Murali R the two worst chuckers in cricket history, n their arms bent to over 25 degree min, he would straightaway be called out in this era, n was lucky that he played cricket

Murali-Protractor.jpg

Read your cricket laws. You are allowed to bowl with a crooked elbow. Chucking is changing your elbow angle, not bowling with a crooked elbow. As it happens, every bowler changes his elbow angle when delivering the ball (its biomechanics) and Murali is no worse offender than McGrath.

 

2 hours ago, MCcricket said:

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Now where is the 45 degree bend gone, lol if u can see the proof , u don't wanna see the truth

A 2d image for a 3d angular view is half the story. i.e., optical illusion. As i said, its stupid to judge a 3d thing from a 2d image. 

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9 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Since when a 2d angle of 45 degree become 14 degree in 3 D n maybe 0 in 4 D lol

The FLEXION is 14 degrees. you clearly don't know your cricket rules, so your confusion is understandable.  You are also trying to judge an angle o the arm form a 2d image, when the arm itself is a 3d object and there are plenty of optical illusions with 2d projection of a 3d object, especially in dynamic condition (i.e., the object is moving). 

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16 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

false.

Scientifically, he has been cleared many times. Visually, does not matter. The idea of judging a 3d action from a 2d screen (tv) is as stupid as it gets, really.

 

Even Ajmal, hafeez, etc were cleared once because at that time they were not tested in a match environment. They were tested in labs. Murli too was tested in labs but as soon they were tested on what they bowled in a match, they were found illegal. I am sure if Murli was tested using the same method they use now, he will come out illegal too. Looks like yopu are not aware with recent happening in last 1-2 years when they started using a different method for tests and likes of Ajmal, Hafeez, Senanayke, etc were all banned. Even inncuous Pragyan Ojha had to change his action and Ajmal is an ordinary bowler after change in his action. Same with Sunil Narayan.

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Read your cricket laws. You are allowed to bowl with a crooked elbow. Chucking is changing your elbow angle, not bowling with a crooked elbow. As it happens, every bowler changes his elbow angle when delivering the ball (its biomechanics) and Murali is no worse offender than McGrath.

 

A 2d image for a 3d angular view is half the story. i.e., optical illusion. As i said, its stupid to judge a 3d thing from a 2d image. 

Bowling with a bent elbow without straightening across a 22 yard pitch isnt possible, try doing that for yourself. It is ridiculous that people like you think that someone can bowl with a bent elbow without straightening it.

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31 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Even Ajmal, hafeez, etc were cleared once because at that time they were not tested in a match environment. They were tested in labs. Murli too was tested in labs but as soon they were tested on what they bowled in a match, they were found illegal. I am sure if Murli was tested using the same method they use now, he will come out illegal too. Looks like yopu are not aware with recent happening in last 1-2 years when they started using a different method for tests and likes of Ajmal, Hafeez, Senanayke, etc were all banned. Even inncuous Pragyan Ojha had to change his action and Ajmal is an ordinary bowler after change in his action. Same with Sunil Narayan.

That is all irrelevant. I can say that since lab testing proves Murali and McGrath have the same arm flexions and if Murali's deteriorates in match conditions along with so many others, so should McGrath's, ergo, McGrath is an even bigger cheater, coz he was never scrutinized despite being guilty of the same thing as Murali in tested conditions.

The simple fact of the matter is, Murali was subject to tests in his time and cleared, with a POINTED reminder from scientific authorities that his flexion range is neither unusual, nor unnatural, even amongst bowlers with seemingly 'ram-rod straight' actions, like McGrath. His misfortune is to have crooked elbows at childbirth along with a hyper-flexible wrists, which while rendered 2d on a tv, creates an optical illusion of the arm straightening. 

 

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26 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bowling with a bent elbow without straightening across a 22 yard pitch isnt possible, try doing that for yourself. It is ridiculous that people like you think that someone can bowl with a bent elbow without straightening it.

It is completely ridiculous to expect that an elbow bent naturally at childbirth, such as Murali's is medically proven to be (also Bhagwat Chandrasekhars too), to flex any more than a regular elbow that locks at roughly 180 degrees. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

That is all irrelevant. I can say that since lab testing proves Murali and McGrath have the same arm flexions and if Murali's deteriorates in match conditions along with so many others, so should McGrath's, ergo, McGrath is an even bigger cheater, coz he was never scrutinized despite being guilty of the same thing as Murali in tested conditions.

The simple fact of the matter is, Murali was subject to tests in his time and cleared, with a POINTED reminder from scientific authorities that his flexion range is neither unusual, nor unnatural, even amongst bowlers with seemingly 'ram-rod straight' actions, like McGrath. His misfortune is to have crooked elbows at childbirth along with a hyper-flexible wrists, which while rendered 2d on a tv, creates an optical illusion of the arm straightening. 

 

it is not irrelevant at all. It is pretty much certain that Murli would have been banned if was tested today with this  new method.

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Murali would have been banned long time ago if they had the new testing methods, people who are giving excuses of bent elbows and tests clearing him should remember this fact even Ajmal was cleared by the same testing process which cleared Murali.

 

We all know how much chucking Ajmal was doing, Murali was in same ball parkk of chucking as Ajmal if not more.It is a travesty that this guy holds the records.He is great man but he is chucker.

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11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

it is not irrelevant at all. It is pretty much certain that Murli would have been banned if was tested today with this  new method.

It is completely irrelevant,because Murali cleared all the tests available at his time and never was subject to the 'newer tests' so we have no basis to say that he definitively would've failed. 

BY your logic, everyone acquitted or murder in India up to the year 2000 could be guilty of murder,since India didnt use any forensic analysis for murder trials till very recently. That is not how justice/allegations work.

 

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Murali n Ajmal two players who have played for a long time n having the two most dubious actions in cricket, for sure in any other era they would have been banned, due to political nature n support from their home also ICC finding ways n measures to correct analyse n standardize process, these two got away, easily having a bent around 35 to 45 degrees they were allowed to bowl is disgraceful.

 

There is no reason one will blame Murali or Ajmal over others but for reasons mentioned, would anyone raise a finger on Mumble , Warne because one has to be stupid to question that, both of these guys had pathetic action n chucked, guys after them were found out like Sennanayke,Kaushal, Hafeez

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Even Siddhu was once telling that you hit a 4 or 6 in Warne's ball, he will put more attacking field and challenge you but Murali would send everyone to the boundary the moment you hit a 6 in his ball 

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