sourab10forever Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 It is clear that being defensive and playing out bowlers is his role. Do you think it is working given we have only 4 other proper batsmen? tweaker 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Yea against teams like West indies, but bowlers of Eng,Sa, Aus, NZ would love that he does that becoz they know how to bowl wicket taking balls. tweaker 1 Link to comment
NameGoesHere Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 In a line- He's not batting fast enough to win games, or long enough to draw them, or confidently enough for me to believe he'll do either if given enough time. Adi_91, Cricket_Hacker, tweaker and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 On a difficult pitch he would be a good option. At Lord's he played >100 balls in the 1st innings and really blunted the English attack. Rahane ended up scoring a century, but he credited Pujara with wearing down the bowlers before he got out. However, at #3 he should be able to score runs, but he has only scored in SA during our overseas tours. On flatter pitches, Dhawan and Rahul both can score much faster. Kohli has said he is looking for batsmen who can dominate and score quickly, thus giving the bowlers more time to bowl out the opposition, something I don't really associate with Pujara. He is a player that wants to grind the opponent to dust. Unfortunately, his time in the team may be coming to an end. Even a player like Karun Nair, who isn't in the squad will be pushing for a spot soon. Looking back, that injury he suffered in the IPL really derailed his career. His reflexes seem to have slowed down so much since then, and now he regularly gets bowled by straight deliveries, like Dravid at the end of his career. The only possibility is if he can become an opener, where there is more of a premium of seeing off the new ball and a lower average is acceptable. Ankit_sharma03, MechEng and tweaker 3 Link to comment
chewy Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 His defence looks solid, but there is the odd one that gets through due to slow reflexes, got lucky with couple in today's morning session. i m not sure if this extreme go slow is a team tactic, but if India don't win test matches and series (home or away), Pujara will be the first to go, even before the ultra useless Dhawan. tweaker, Ankit_sharma03 and Lannister 3 Link to comment
fineleg Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 He can play slow if he can consistently deliver 50s and 100s and boost his average to 48+ over quite a number of consistent Tests. In such case, its valuable. Else its very questionable. tweaker 1 Link to comment
fineleg Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Run out - very slow between wickets Link to comment
G_B_ Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 strategy suited to the 90s not modern day cricket. Link to comment
MechEng Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 qq 25 minutes ago, MechEng said: Troll ho gaya..... Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 His many previous innings with 30 SR came playing with good defence.Today was nothing.Holder was bowling wide and Pujara was only shouldering the ball..He left many bad balls also. It is criminal when you score First run of the day before the drinks break..Still this innings shouldnt be the reason to drop him..We arent benching Sachins and Dravids.. Link to comment
FischerTal Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Two knee injuries ruined his career. I don't think he can recover now. Just play as much cricket as you can until someone replaces you Link to comment
zen Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 The following must be considered: Ind test record overseas - Ind is trying to improve its overseas test record. In the past what hurt Ind was losing early wkts. The team may get 100+ runs in a session but if it loses 2-3 key wkts, it is already on the backfoot Ind's team composition - Our composition is 5 batsmen + 1 WK + 5 bowlers, so it is imperative that at least a couple of batsmen get a big score. To give these batsmen a chance to get a big score, they have to play cautiously and according to the situation The batting form of the unit - In the last test, if I am not wrong, Ashwin's contribution with the bat helped Ind post a good total. It also shows that among the top 5, we don't have too many batsmen in the form where they could getting 400-500 runs in the series Considering the above, it is not a bad idea for someone to do the hard work to ensure that Ind does not lose wkts in the first session. On overseas tours, Ind should focus on not losing wkts in the first hour of the play and towards the end of the day. In b/w, the batsmen can look to take advantage of bad balls. If one end is secure, it gives the batsmen at the other end the confidence to go for his shots. The batting performance should judged based up on partnership in tests esp overseas. Rahul-Pujara partnership was of 121 runs. More importantly, the ended day 1 w/o losing any more wkts and also played out the first hour of the day 2 so full credit to both of them Bigg Brother 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, rett said: The following must be considered: Ind test record overseas - Ind is trying to improve its overseas test record. In the past what hurt Ind was losing early wkts. The team may get 100+ runs in a session but if it loses 2-3 key wkts, it is already on the backfoot Ind's team composition - Our composition is 5 batsmen + 1 WK + 5 bowlers, so it is imperative that at least a couple of batsmen get a big score. To give these batsmen a chance to get a big score, they have to play cautiously and according to the situation The batting form of the unit - In the last test, if I am not wrong, Ashwin's contribution with the bat helped Ind post a good total. It also shows that among the top 5, we don't have too many batsmen in the form where they could getting 400-500 runs in the series Considering the above, it is not a bad idea for someone to do the hard work to ensure that Ind does not lose wkts in the first session. On overseas tours, Ind should focus on not losing wkts in the first hour of the play and towards the end of the day. In b/w, the batsmen can look to take advantage of bad balls. If one end is secure, it gives the batsmen at the other end the confidence to go for his shots. The batting performance should judged based up on partnership in tests esp overseas. Rahul-Pujara partnership was of 121 runs. More importantly, the ended day 1 w/o losing any more wkts and also played out the first hour of the day 2 so full credit to both of them Do u think good teams would allow him to even reach to this score, this bowling line up doesnt know how to take wkts. That wont be the case with Starc, stey, morkel, Rabbada, anderson, broad, No one is asking him to play like sehwag balls but he can atleast rotate strike and play less dot balls. Test matches are not won by dot balls, and there is no point holding one end if you r nt scoring. Whats the point of 20-40 runs by a big batsman when we are playing only 5 batsman. That kind of job can be done by a night watchman Lets not forget his incoming ball weakness which this wi bowling didnt exploit , wont be the same case with good bowling Edited July 31, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
zen Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Do u think good teams would allow him to even reach to this score, this bowling line up doesnt know how to take wkts. That wont be the case with Starc, stey, morkel, Rabbada, anderson, broad, No one is asking him to play like sehwag balls but he can atleast rotate strike and play less dot balls. Test matches are not won by dot balls, and there is no point holding one end if you r nt scoring. Whats the point of 20-40 runs by a big batsman when we are playing only 5 batsman. That kind of job can be done by a night watchman Lets not forget his incoming ball weakness which this wi bowling didnt exploit , wont be the same case with good bowling Your point is irrelevant at the moment as it would depend up on the form Pujara and others are in. If he is in great form, he would be scoring runs more freely while someone else would be playing his role. If Ind is constantly being reduced to 150/4 kind of a situation by good bowling sides, how Pujara or anyone else is batting would be immaterial There was a time when Ind had one of the strongest (if not the strongest) batting line up in the world. And we still used to play 7 batsmen. Now we have the 5+1+5 combination so that would impact the approach that we take overseas. We cannot expect the 5+1+5 combination to bat like a 7+4 combination. If we go with 7+4, chances are we could struggle to pick 20 wkts consistently. So somewhere, there would be a compromise Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rett said: Your point is irrelevant at the moment as it would depend up on the form Pujara and others are in. If he is in great form, he would be scoring runs more freely while someone else would be playing his role. If Ind is constantly being reduced to 150/4 kind of a situation by good bowling sides, how Pujara or anyone else is batting would be immaterial There was a time when Ind had one of the strongest (if not the strongest) batting line up in the world. And we still used to play 7 batsmen. Now we have the 5+1+5 combination so that would impact the approach that we take overseas. We cannot expect the 5+1+5 combination to bat like a 7+4 combination. If we go with 7+4, chances are we could struggle to pick 20 wkts consistently. So somewhere, there would be a compromise We werent 150/4, Dhawan n rahul gave us a good start. Neither this was green track were like of anderson n co were being almost impossible to play. The reason we use to play so many batsman coz we had sachin sehwag n ganguly to fill 5th bowler role which we dont have now. And our batsman are more accustom to pace n bounce now as we tour abroad more frequent. And most importantly this is not pujara 1st inning, n again if among ur 5 batsman one score 20-40 wasting so many balls . Im ready to skip this if it was a one of inning but it wasnt as its becoming frequent off lately. Edited July 31, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
zen Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: We werent 150/4, Dhawan n rahul gave us a good start. The reason we use to play so many batsman coz we had sachin sehwag n ganguly to fill 5th bowler role which we dont have now. And our batsman are more accustom to pace n bounce now as we tour abroad more frequent. And most importantly this is not pujara 1st inning, n again if among ur 5 batsman one score 20-40 wasting so many balls . Im ready to skip this if it was a one of inning but it wasnt as its becoming frequent off lately. I mentioned 150/4 situation for your hypothetical question on Ind playing (overseas) vs good bowling sides and what happens if Pujara plays slowly " Your point is irrelevant at the moment as it would depend up on the form Pujara and others are in. If he is in great form, he would be scoring runs more freely while someone else would be playing his role. If Ind is constantly being reduced to 150/4 kind of a situation by good bowling sides, how Pujara or anyone else is batting would be immaterial" Whatever the reasons for playing 7+4, Ind is currently playing 5+1+5. And so the approach would not be the same whether batting or bowling Link to comment
zen Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 India 1st innings R M B 4s 6s SR KL Rahul c †Dowrich b Gabriel 158 303 15 3 52.14 S Dhawan c Bravo b Chase 27 100 52 5 0 51.92 CA Pujara run out (Chase) 46 159 4 0 28.93 V Kohli* c Chandrika b Chase 44 90 4 1 48.88 AM Rahane not out 39 76 6 1 51.31 If we see the scorecard above, Rahul-Pujara's partnership is the best so far. As I had mentioned, they not only put on 121 runs but also played the last hour of day 1 and first hour of day 2 w/o losing wkts, which is very important in overseas test rkt.india, philcric and Bigg Brother 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 4 hours ago, rett said: I mentioned 150/4 situation for your hypothetical question on Ind playing (overseas) vs good bowling sides and what happens if Pujara plays slowly " Your point is irrelevant at the moment as it would depend up on the form Pujara and others are in. If he is in great form, he would be scoring runs more freely while someone else would be playing his role. If Ind is constantly being reduced to 150/4 kind of a situation by good bowling sides, how Pujara or anyone else is batting would be immaterial" Whatever the reasons for playing 7+4, Ind is currently playing 5+1+5. And so the approach would not be the same whether batting or bowling We played with 6 batsman in Sa, NZ, Aus and 1-2 games in Eng . Yet he played in the shell innings all the time. U can play as many balls as u want but if u dont score there is no point. Yes he can play slow but look the number of times he has gotten out in 20-40 in last 1-2 yrs then whats the point of batting so many balls. The same Criticism i have against rahane in Odi's he eats up lot of dots and then gets out in 30-40s. As a main batsman ur job is to score runs. The reason we had dont have a gr8 lead today coz one of our main set batsman just accumulated balls n didnt score runs. Ultimately its runs on board not how many balls ur faced. If ur game plan is to stick around the whole innings i can understand that ur taking so much time but that game plan is needed in particular situation. I can understand that on green top in lords or against Steyn n co on 1st day pitch but on a good pitch where openers gave u good start and the bowling is not that gr8 what was the point of this innings. N again this plan of his hasnt worked as he has failed most of times in overseas with same plan. So when ur plan has backfired better change ur plan. He already has technical weakness and then he adds pressure to himself by playing dots. Some one like a Gavaskar can do that coz he had a great technique but not some one like pujara who has been found wanting. Number of starts he has wasted From Sa tour till Aussie tour n ill add this Wi tour stats as well 25(98),32(100),23(71),38(69),55(101),28(117),43(83),24(52),18(64),21(38),43(93),25(71),21(70),16(67),46(159),19(59),17(50) The reason i mention this number is to show the number times he was set having played so many deliveries. So what was the point of playing so many deliveries when u end up throwing ur starts so many times. Not only m questioning his slow innings m also questioning the number of time he has thrown his wicket when set. His plan may be to be an anchor but at the end of the day he is just like Dhawan or Rohit who gets starts at times and then throws them. Adi_91 1 Link to comment
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