The Realist Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Ishant Sharma is the equivalent of a striker who "works hard" but simply does not score enough goals. A striker is selected to score goals. A bowler is picked to take wickets. Otherwise what is the point of playing of them. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, maniac said: Ishant always does well when he is under fire....I remember when he was playing alongside Umesh and Aaron against WI in India,he was matching them for pace,in fact bowling faster than them at times...You are right,he needs that kick. Why does he need a kick......70+ test matches. It shudnt be he needs a kick or someone sledging him now he shud be the leader. I hope he plays a season of county now that he is nt picked up in ipl.....or the way new bowlers are coming and in such huge number....soon he might find himself leading delhi attack Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, The Realist said: Ishant Sharma is the equivalent of a striker who "works hard" but simply does not score enough goals. A striker is selected to score goals. A bowler is picked to take wickets. Otherwise what is the point of playing of them. Emile Heskey of cricket Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 He doesn't have the skills movement is massive issue . Can't move it and make ball talk . No idea on reverse swing pkus does not now hot to set batsman up Lord 1 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 04/08/2016 at 5:46 AM, Texan said: 5 wickets total in his last 5 Tests. Overall bowling average of 37 even after playing 70 Tests. Can't bat. Not a great fielder. What exactly is he doing in the team? 5 wickets in last 5 tests is simply unacceptable . Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 It is true that Ishant was a below average pacer from 2007 to 2013 and would not have survived in most other teams BUT In the last 3 years, starting from the NZ tour of 2014, he is a much improved bowler. His seam position and ball release has improved, he has stopped experimenting with his action and bowling style and bowling with good rhythm. As a result he is bowling in good areas with good pace, bounce and seam movement. has improved his ability to reverse the ball too and developed a good bouncer. This is how he has done in this period..... averaging 31.5....which is not bad for a pacer who has played 10 of those 22 tests in Asia. Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 unfiltered 2007-2017 75 131 2395.3 463 7869 215 7/74 10/108 36.60 3.28 66.8 7 1 Profile filtered 2014-2017 22 38 664.0 136 2085 66 7/74 9/162 31.59 3.14 60.3 4 0 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/236779.html?class=1;spanmin1=01+Feb+2014;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series Bleed-Blue and Vilander 2 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 We have to move on and try other players. We keep picking him based on "he has improved" and that he has "height" to do good overseas on places whoch has bounce. That is all false hope we are having. Screw the height and screw the improvement because other youngsters have improved to8 and we need to invest in them now as Ishant has gotten many chances. I would give chance to bowlers like Aniket, etc on bouncy tracks now than Ishant. King Tendulkar 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 New pacers like Aniket need to be tried and then Nathu and Thampi. But the ideal way to introduce them is in dead rubber test matches, tests against minnows and in bilateral LOI matches. We missed a chance to try Aniket C as the 3rd seamer against Bangladesh. If we manage to win the first 3 tests against Australia then he maybe tried in the 4th test. Link to comment
The Realist Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: 5 wickets in last 5 tests is simply unacceptable . In last season's IPL played 4 games, smashed for 148 runs and took a grand total of 3 wickets. Unsurprisingly no team showed any interest in buying such mediocrity this year. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: He doesn't have the skills movement is massive issue . Can't move it and make ball talk . No idea on reverse swing pkus does not now hot to set batsman up We have seen consistent reverse swing from him this season..... and he always got seam movement, especially deliveries that seamed in to the right-handers. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: He doesn't have the skills movement is massive issue . Can't move it and make ball talk . No idea on reverse swing pkus does not now hot to set batsman up Saw the full game, Ishant did not bowl bad but I with so many bowlers around, others need to be given chances now. It is high time. If Karun Nair can sit out after scoring 300, then a bowler who has been poor but just improving little by little but yet not taking wickets needs to be booted for other youngsters. We cry so much for giving chances to other young bowlers. Here is our chance to tell Ishant to thank you and well bowled but we need to try something different. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: 5 wickets in last 5 tests is simply unacceptable . Ishant has got 13 wickets in the last 5 tests out of which one match was washed out due to rain and he bowled only 5 overs Link to comment
gattaca Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Should be dropped he is like rohit sharma in bowling. Link to comment
gattaca Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 But people in this forum always said dhoni will not drop Ishant sharma. Where is the criticism for kohli ? He has seen him play more than five years now. Lord, Cricketics and Sidhoni 3 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, gattaca said: But people in this forum always said dhoni will not drop Ishant sharma. Where is the criticism for kohli ? He has seen him play more than five years now. He is part of scheme of things with Kumble, kohli and selectors and always has been for the last 10 years. Keep him in that scheme of things but don't play him as one of the two bowlers when we are just playing two bowlers. He hasn't improved a lot. Other youngsters whom we all cry for here need to be given chances ahead of him even overseas. Keep him around if we need 3 pacers and if youngsters bowls really bad, and totally horrible, then bring him as third choice, but for it is high time to give others a chance. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, gattaca said: But people in this forum always said dhoni will not drop Ishant sharma. Where is the criticism for kohli ? He has seen him play more than five years now. Considering he has turned a new leaf and has bowled well the last few years and Shami with the injuries, it's a bit difficult to drop him. Dhoni and his picking of Ishant before was rightfully criticized. Edit: Now if Ishant starts bowling tripe and doesnt bowl well and we have better bowlers waiting in the wings and yet continuously gets picked, then we will criticize kohli. This trait you didn't seem to see from dhoni chamchas. Edited February 23, 2017 by laaloo Link to comment
The Realist Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, laaloo said: Considering he has turned a new leaf and has bowled well the last few years and Shami with the injuries, it's a bit difficult to drop him. Dhoni and his picking of Ishant before was rightfully criticized. Its only a marginal improvement as the bar is set low and that only if you compare with selective years. Compare him with other international bowlers and its clear that all those years and games have delivered very poor returns. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Realist said: Its only a marginal improvement as the bar is set low and that only if you compare with selective years. Compare him with other international bowlers and its clear that all those years and games have delivered very poor returns. Well if we compare those bowlers who bowled on the same pitch, then it wont be that big of a difference. Look I dont consider Ishant as a spearhead. I consider him as a support bowler now and a really good at that. With a fit Shami, he doesn't have a place in the team in the subcontinent. Overseas, you can play an attack of Umesh/Shami/Ishant. maniac, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, laaloo said: Well if we compare those bowlers who bowled on the same pitch, then it wont be that big of a difference. Look I dont consider Ishant as a spearhead. I consider him as a support bowler now and a really good at that. With a fit Shami, he doesn't have a place in the team in the subcontinent. Overseas, you can play an attack of Umesh/Shami/Ishant. Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. If someone like Aniket C does better then we will obviously prefer him.... but let us see the new guys first in actual test matches. Edited February 23, 2017 by express bowling Mosher and Laaloo 2 Link to comment
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