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What Kohli said in the post-match interview is very worrying.  He will continue to bat at no. 3 and Rohit will play at no.5. 

 

More than Rohit playing,  what is shocking is Kohli willing to put his own career at risk, by batting at a position where he is not comfortable at.....all for the sake of Rohit Sharma. 

 

There is a possibility that there is something outside of cricket that is going on here.

 

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Pujara should go to England and have contract so he can play for England after 3 years for England..Shameful that the guy is benched for proven failure.Kohli looked uncomfortable and restless while sitting in dressing room after getting out cheaply in both the innings and I thought he must have realized his mistake..But no..He is in euphoria of win.

Yes,Pujara's career is over unless NZ/England beat us at home..Australia have no chance.

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Pujara definitely needs to try to get a long term county stint. He needs to realize he's not fit for the IPL, athletically or batting wise. His career isn't over fully, but I doubt he will play unless injury, as long as Kohli is captain.  

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9 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

Yes,Pujara's career is over unless NZ/England beat us at home..Australia have no chance.

I am more worried about our batting line-up's career.  Kohli at 3 and Rohit at 5  is not a good batting line-up, especially with 5 batters.   Kohli is taking test match batting line-ups  too casually and may end up suffering against good bowling attacks.

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One home series loss and Kohli will come back to earth after his world beating talk..You can't become No.1 with such a pathetic batting lineup.Unfortunately,he wont get that reality check soon as we have Ashwin,Jaddu at home.Get ready for another whitewashes in Australia and England next time we tour them.

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29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

What Kohli said in the post-match interview is very worrying.  He will continue to bat at no. 3 and Rohit will play at no.5. 

 

More than Rohit playing,  what is shocking is Kohli willing to put his own career at risk, by batting at a position where he is not comfortable at.....all for the sake of Rohit Sharma. 

 

There is a possibility that there is something outside of cricket that is going on here.

 

I think he wants to get his record at 3 straight.  When he bombs there he will tek recource that he tried it for Rohit who himself would have failed then and be replaced by Pujara

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2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

I think he wants to get his record at 3 straight.  When he bombs there he will tek recource that he tried it for Rohit who himself would have failed then and be replaced by Pujara

What is the need for all this pyrotechnic when Kohli is doing really well at no. 4  ?

 

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2 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

More than Che I am worried about Murali Vijay... he is on the wrong side of 30.... Shikar Dhawan is a lot less droppable than Rohit.

But that is a problem of plenty a good problem.  Rohit pujara case is diff.  Rohit will actually hurt indian teams chances,  Rahul Dhawan might actually work. 

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More than Che I am worried about Murali Vijay... he is on the wrong side of 30.... Shikar Dhawan is a lot less droppable than Rohit.

Yes,that is also nauseating when he talks how Dhawan scored brilliant "80" at antigua..What about Murli vijay who was scoring when you were sittimg duck against Jimmy.

Vijay will walk into any test team at present.

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Sad to hear this. Really enjoyed classical test batting of Che. Of late, I don't recall watching a batsman having the patience to leave 6 balls in a row 

 

Appears as if some folks want to make tests, ODIs and t20s similar 

 

Do whatever you want in Odis and T20s. Leave tests for the classic test match fans :((

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Pujara is at cross roads, if he wants to play international cricket there still weaknesses he needs to sort out and work on running too, but also at the same time score bucket load of runs in Ranji and if possible play County or any other overseas domestic first class

 

he is still youngish and got time on his side, BUT  unfortunately needs to let go of his ambition of playing IPL and ODIs.

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1 hour ago, zen said:

Sad to hear this. Really enjoyed classical test batting of Che. Of late, I don't recall watching a batsman having the patience to leave 6 balls in a row 

 

Appears as if some folks want to make tests, ODIs and t20s similar 

 

Do whatever you want in Odis and T20s. Leave tests for the classic test match fans :((

 

 I agree completely about the need to pick Pujara over Rohit.

 

But,  there has not been any particular mould for classic test match batting. There have been  batsmen who were experts of grinding it out, there were many top test batters  who were aggressive from the word go and a huge percentage of top test batsmen have generally begun slow and accelerated later on and played a flurry of stokes.

 

Bradman, Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Sehwag. Gilchrist, Hayden, Petersen etc. have all been the creme de la creme of test batsmen who were nothing like Pujara in their batting style. And now we have ABDV, Kohli, Smith, Warner etc. who are doing really well.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 I agree completely about the need to pick Pujara over Rohit.

 

But,  there has not been any particular mould for classic test match batting. There have been  batsmen who were experts of grinding it out, there were many top test batters  who were aggressive from the word go and a huge percentage of top test batsmen have generally begun slow and accelerated later on and played a flurry of stokes.

 

Bradman, Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting, Sehwag. Gilchrist, Hayden, Petersen etc. have all been the creme de la creme of test batsmen who were nothing like Pujara in their batting style. And now we have ABDV, Kohli, Smith, Warner etc. who are doing really well.

 

The classical test match batting approach - grinding it out, leaving the balls, playing session by session, having determination, the mindset to set your self to play long inng, etc. 

 

All good test batsmen display these whether he is a Greenidge or a Boycott

 

I hv nothing against Rohit being picked for tests if he can display those qualities or can develop in time. My issue is when a test specialists, who displays the classical test batting approach, is not picked over a batsman who brings in more odi, t20 oriented mindset and approach to tests 

 

The general point that you made in your post can be applied to ODIS as well when discussing say classical ODI batting as you would find that guys such as Dravid, Amla, etc, who do well in ODIs (or T20s). But if the choice is b/w picking Gayle or Dravid, one would go with Gayle as he displays the classical limited overs batting 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ehh. Kohli will learn from his mistakes. We play NZ next right? To accommodate Sharma in the team you change the whole complexion and for what? Someone like pujara may not be able to win matches where there are lost days or loss of play but someone like Sharma can lose you matches. Pujara can at least help then draw. I am very disappointed if kohli is moving just to accommodate Sharma. 

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obvious corporate lobbying.

but pujara's fault is also there... he had the oppurtunity to force the situation in his way many times... he had many starts, wasted them away

bad thing is that next 9 tests are going to played at home and when kohli-rahane-vijay-dhawan-rahul-rohit will pile daddy centuries, pujara will have to sulk and watch it from the pavilion.

he will have to wait until the gauntlet series Aus-Nz-eng-sa starts again

 

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Neither Sharma nor Pujara is a solution for our wobbly batting line up. Pujara needs to spend some time in domestic matches as he seems short on confidence, whereas Rohit is not a Test material, so he should be kicked out before he makes any more worse, this is where selectors need to step in and make some sensible decisions which is too much to ask from them after seeing their incompetence.  What the fuq is Kumble even doing encouraging Kohli into this madness? Dhawan, newbie Rahul, Kohli at 3 and Rohit what a pathetic batting line-up. 

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It really disappoints me to see Pujara dropped. I really wanted him to do well. Having said that, Pujara has been a massive failure. This is a guy who is expected to play the long innings and score big but all we get is 120 ball 27 :facepalm: I can't remember any batsman who has squandered so many starts after getting set. Once a batsman goes to 30 means he should make it big. How many times have we seen Pujara getting out after getting set.

 

To the idiots - telling Pujara a failure does not makes me a Rohit fan :nono:  

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Neither Sharma nor Pujara is a solution for our wobbly batting line up. Pujara needs to spend some time in domestic matches as he seems short on confidence, whereas Rohit is not a Test material, so he should be kicked out before he makes any more worse, this is where selectors need to step in and make some sensible decisions which is too much to ask from them after seeing their incompetence.  What the fuq is Kumble even doing encouraging Kohli into this madness? Dhawan, newbie Rahul, Kohli at 3 and Rohit what a pathetic batting line-up. 

BCCI has given way too much power to Kohli.Someone who have played with Dravid,Sachin,Laxman will never consider Rohit ahead of Pujara.Few days ago,someone posted about Chappell documentary where I saw one journo. saying Indians were looking Ganguly as "Krantiveer"rather than as a player..This is same with BCCI.After Dhoni debacle,they are seeing Kohli as someone who will take the oppositions apart with his talks and the performance of Kohli this year LOIs is helping him to gain such power.But the reality is Kohli has given average performance in tests after Australia tour and He isnt even the best batsman of Indian team.

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10 hours ago, zen said:

 

The classical test match batting approach - grinding it out, leaving the balls, playing session by session, having determination, the mindset to set your self to play long inng, etc. 

 

All good test batsmen display these whether he is a Greenidge or a Boycott

 

I hv nothing against Rohit being picked for tests if he can display those qualities or can develop in time. My issue is when a test specialists, who displays the classical test batting approach, is not picked over a batsman who brings in more odi, t20 oriented mindset and approach to tests 

 

The general point that you made in your post can be applied to ODIS as well when discussing say classical ODI batting as you would find that guys such as Dravid, Amla, etc, who do well in ODIs (or T20s). But if the choice is b/w picking Gayle or Dravid, one would go with Gayle as he displays the classical limited overs batting 

 

 

 

Rohit does not  bring an ODI or T20 approach to batting in tests as he struggles badly and plays slowly as a result. He has issues with both temperament as well as technique in test matches. 

 

The approach to test batting, by many top Australians in the last 20 years and  many top WI batsmen in their heydays, have been very different from the approach you described and they have looked to counter-attack at the first chance. The mindset to play long innings has been present among all good batters though.

 

We need to pick effective test batsmen rather than " classic test batsmen " and Pujara deserves a chance because he has been more effective than Rohit or Dhawan.

 

All teams which have won consistently in test matches have always played atleast 3 batsmen out of 6 who bat quickly whenever they get the chance. The reasons are  twofold a) Putting psychological pressure on  the bowlers b) Scoring runs reasonably quickly so that they have sufficient time to get the opposition out twice.

 

I would ideally want batsmen like  ABDV who can grind when needed and smash the opposition when needed and play according to the match situation.

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13 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

 

 

 

 

BCCI has given way too much power to Kohli.Someone who have played with Dravid,Sachin,Laxman will never consider Rohit ahead of Pujara.Few days ago,someone posted about Chappell documentary where I saw one journo. saying Indians were looking Ganguly as "Krantiveer"rather than as a player..This is same with BCCI.After Dhoni debacle,they are seeing Kohli as someone who will take the oppositions apart with his talks and the performance of Kohli this year LOIs is helping him to gain such power.But the reality is Kohli has given average performance in tests after Australia tour and He isnt even the best batsman of Indian team.

So picking the playing 11 by the captain is giving hi too much power :facepalm: 

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2 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

obvious corporate lobbying.

but pujara's fault is also there... he had the oppurtunity to force the situation in his way many times... he had many starts, wasted them away

bad thing is that next 9 tests are going to played at home and when kohli-rahane-vijay-dhawan-rahul-rohit will pile daddy centuries, pujara will have to sulk and watch it from the pavilion.

he will have to wait until the gauntlet series Aus-Nz-eng-sa starts again

 

Yes, like they did against SA. It was Pujara who bailed the team out with Vijay. Pujara is a must on these rank turners.

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Strategically Kohli has gone into attack mode, and like any war machine the weapons you deploy for an offensive have to be significantly different from a defence oriented strategy.  Kohli wants the attack tanks, the mobile armoured divisions, the  ground infantry and the combat aircraft in close support.   He presently has no need for things like fixed machine gun positions,  trenches and defence in depth.

 

You can question his offensive Test strategy, even his selection of tailunt and 5 bowlers as offensive Test weapons, but not dropping Pujara within the framework of that strategy.  Winners are grinners and in leading India to a series win overseas, Kohli has earned the right to make his own strategy and team selection.  That's all there is to it.

 

The really sad part for me is not that Pujara seems to be out, but that he himself has hardly done much this series to justify selection.  That he slowed down the game was the only 'Test' part he contributed to  'Test batting'.  He made neither a big score nor saved India from some precarious position, nor did he look like he was going to come out of his funk any time soon and do either.  

 

Tailunt scored a quick fire 50 in the 2nd innings of the last Test.  You could argue it was useless, against a WI attack, but he did it anyway. I don't see Pujara doing that in the present situation.

 

I was a huge fan of Pujara, thought we had our next Test batting great.  But now he needs to evolve or he will become the truly classic 'what could have been' story.  So while I do not think his career has ended, I do think he will be out for a while.

 

And I hope tailunt gets 10 day diarrhea every time he is selected for a 5 day game, the feckless git.

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Good for pujara....

 

Now he has the chance to go back to domestic and sort the things out

 

Hopefully this stupid move from idiotic captain doesn't break his spirit.

 

Captain Dhoni needed atleast 2 years to make stupid moves and serve his ego

 

Apparently, Kohli didn't needed all that time...within 6 months he started making (not bad) but worst moves....

 

We need more grounded people like Ashwin (or Vijay) to serve india as captain

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39 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

Tailunt scored a quick fire 50 in the 2nd innings of the last Test. 

41 with 3 lives (I read somewhere). Definitely saw 2 dropped catches, not sure if there was a 3rd chance too.

 

Anyway, most of us are on the same page. Pujara's place in the team is debatable, but Rohit definitely doesn't deserve a spot for many reasons.

  • India plays only 5 batsmen.
  • Rohit hasn't been a good test player so far.
  • Rohit hasn't shown signs of being a good test player so far.
  • Only #3 is somewhat available. And Rohit doesn't have the game to be even tried at that spot.
  • The whole batting line-up has to be shuffled to accommodate Rohit.

 

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How do you know Kumble does not have any say in the team selection ?? Just Curious :hmmm: 

Thats what I think and it is subjective thing..Neither me nor you can scrap it out through the brain of Kumble.

This was after 1st test.

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/cheteshwar-pujara-anil-kumble-west-indies-vs-india-2nd-test-kingston/1/726887.html

And No one is calling Kohli stupid..We are nobody to call someone stupid.

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1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

Strategically Kohli has gone into attack mode, and like any war machine the weapons you deploy for an offensive have to be significantly different from a defence oriented strategy.  Kohli wants the attack tanks, the mobile armoured divisions, the  ground infantry and the combat aircraft in close support.   He presently has no need for things like fixed machine gun positions,  trenches and defence in depth.

 

You can question his offensive Test strategy, even his selection of tailunt and 5 bowlers as offensive Test weapons, but not dropping Pujara within the framework of that strategy.  Winners are grinners and in leading India to a series win overseas, Kohli has earned the right to make his own strategy and team selection.  That's all there is to it.

 

The really sad part for me is not that Pujara seems to be out, but that he himself has hardly done much this series to justify selection.  That he slowed down the game was the only 'Test' part he contributed to  'Test batting'.  He made neither a big score nor saved India from some precarious position, nor did he look like he was going to come out of his funk any time soon and do either.  

 

Tailunt scored a quick fire 50 in the 2nd innings of the last Test.  You could argue it was useless, against a WI attack, but he did it anyway. I don't see Pujara doing that in the present situation.

 

I was a huge fan of Pujara, thought we had our next Test batting great.  But now he needs to evolve or he will become the truly classic 'what could have been' story.  So while I do not think his career has ended, I do think he will be out for a while.

 

And I hope tailunt gets 10 day diarrhea every time he is selected for a 5 day game, the feckless git.

Don't think anyone would be complaining if VK had simply switched out Vijay for Pujara, with Rahul coming in at 3.  The lengths to which he went to accommodate RGS (himself coming at 3 so RGS could bat at 5) is what makes for some agony.      

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7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Rohit does not  bring an ODI or T20 approach to batting in tests as he struggles badly and plays slowly as a result. He has issues with both temperament as well as technique in test matches. 

 

The approach to test batting, by many top Australians in the last 20 years and  many top WI batsmen in their heydays, have been very different from the approach you described and they have looked to counter-attack at the first chance. The mindset to play long innings has been present among all good batters though.

 

We need to pick effective test batsmen rather than " classic test batsmen " and Pujara deserves a chance because he has been more effective than Rohit or Dhawan.

 

All teams which have won consistently in test matches have always played atleast 3 batsmen out of 6 who bat quickly whenever they get the chance. The reasons are  twofold a) Putting psychological pressure on  the bowlers b) Scoring runs reasonably quickly so that they have sufficient time to get the opposition out twice.

 

I would ideally want batsmen like  ABDV who can grind when needed and smash the opposition when needed and play according to the match situation.

I don't think you understood my point and are lost in 'genrealizations'. 

 

Nobody is saying that classic test match batting cannot be about counter attacking. Has Pujara never counter attacked? 

 

Now you have come up with the general term - "Effective". To know who can be effective, one should be able to show the traits required to be successful in tests. When you see someone like Rahane bat, you know he is suited to test matches. When you see a Raina, you know he may not be as successful in tests as others

 

No one has said ABDV should not be picked in tests. And even Dravid. Gavaskar, etc., can smash when required. In fact, Dravid declared the innings when Ten was on 194 because Ten was talking too long to reach to 200

 

If the choice is b/w picking Dravid or Yuvraj. I would pick Dravid because he is a proper test batsmen displaying the classic test match batting. I would not pick Yuvraj, who is a good batsmen too btw, just because he can play quickly. In limited overs, I would do the opposite

 

Now do test teams need players like Yuvraj. Some sides may need them depending upon its composition. Do limited overs team need players like Dravid. Yes, again some teams would need them depending upon the composition. Can these players be effective in the respective formats, again the answer is yes depending upon how effective is defined for a team. Do people know what has happened in test cricket in the past 20 years. The answer is again yes .... But does all these change the fact that a batsmen showing classic test batting (say a test specialist) be dropped vs someone who probably does not (relatively speaking) but can play at a relatively higher SR - No

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

Thats what I think and it is subjective thing..Neither me nor you can scrap it out through the brain of Kumble.

This was after 1st test.

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/cheteshwar-pujara-anil-kumble-west-indies-vs-india-2nd-test-kingston/1/726887.html

And No one is calling Kohli stupid..We are nobody to call someone stupid.

Where did I say you called him stupid. So all this 'BCCI giving huge power to Kohli' is just the fragment of your imagination :dontknow: 

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