Why is Rohit Sharma playing Tests for India? Look no further than Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina

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One thing is defence of rohit which can be said is that he has a solid ranji record and has led mumbai to ranji titles. Neither yuvi nor raina had that.

Interesting to note when he made his debut he took a spot from Rahane at 6 who as I recall had spent nearly 2 years on and off on the bench.

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[G_B_]

virat should avoid this topic ,creates unnecessary distractions and puts both rohit and pujara under pressure and cause rifts in the team.

Virat needs to do much more than that. Especially if he continues to fail at 3 to accommodate rohit...

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[Number]

That's a wrong analysis on so many levels. 

Rohit's FC record and Yuvi or Raina's records are very different. 

Yuvraj or Raina never had the temperament to play long innings. 

I feel a good run of test matches at home will give him confidence as he is not mentally strong like Virat or Rahane to come good in first away tour while being in and out of team.  

 

[Brainfade]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

So we just won a series 2-0 with 1 test to go....and the focus is on team selections?

 

Infact the 2nd test had a more satisfactory combination for the "critics" which ended in a draw.....no blame on the players just that the opposition stepped up on that day.

 

These wrist slitters are getting annoying now

As one of the guilty parties myself, I actually agree with that.  We should be celebrating more and criticizing less.

[philcric]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

So we just won a series 2-0 with 1 test to go....and the focus is on team selections?

 

Infact the 2nd test had a more satisfactory combination for the "critics" which ended in a draw.....no blame on the players just that the opposition stepped up on that day.

 

These wrist slitters are getting annoying now

Discussing team win. Discussing team selection. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Team win - The team as a whole played well and won. Everyone's happy that the team won.

 

Team selection - Your best opener is benched. Your least successful batsman is picked. Your two best batsmen are played out of their regular positions to accommodate your least successful batsman. Your captain says going forward, to accommodate our least successful batsman, we may again bench our best opener and we may again play our two best batsmen out of their regular positions.

 

So yeah forgive people wanting to discuss what the fcuk is going on.

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by philcric

[Ankit_sharma03]

I think we can all have this continous debate about both Rohit n Pujara but we can get our answers when they play next. Good thing is both would be tested at home not in overseas which could prove costly but on the flipside what worries me they have scored at home n as soon as they travelled overseas both of them struggled . 98% are against rohit, 60 against Pujara well but i think 100% us wants vijay to play so i hope he gets to play now coz he has earned it. 

 

Rohit vs Pujara- Both have technical issues which most batsman do have. Actually what both of them are suffering from is mental issue. This situation reminds of Yuvraj vs Aakash chopra scenario when in 2004 post yuvi blitz in Pak sourav felt he could make another sehwag. So he decided he ll make yuvraj opener which made Aakash insecure and he could do watever he was doing. Sourav n dravid had divded opinion on this . Neways so yuvraj opened and mcgrath made a mockery of him and immediately yuvi was dropped. Now Sourav had a gr8 idea and yuvi had a gr8 stroke play like sehwag but the diff was mindset. On the other hand aakash chopra the so called victim like pujara well in reality they had to ask themseleves when they had a chance did they do really that great . No they didnt, if they didn their place wouldnt have been in question. They both should make use of whatever chances they get and im sure both will get enough in near future or else just perish as there is enough batting talent thats coming. Dont look far away see Kl rahul how he has taken his game to another level and how much he has been in n out . Kl rahul is just a 1.5 yr old in Int cricket whereas as both Pujara n Rohit has played a lot more. 

 

Batting is not about grinding or free strokeplay its actually about making runs, those two are just methods and its works differently for diff people. Both cant cry as victim as one avg 22 in last 15 test and other is busy making 30-40. Sorry both of them wont benefit team. Their fans should understand team is bigger than both and its high time excuses are not given as their perfomance makes those excuses look ridiculous. Now both would get chances, one will get 1st and another 2nd but their job is to make runs when given a chance. If they gonna cry pressure well might as well get lost coz International cricket is about pressure. Most great cricketers have scored when they about to be dropped or they are trying to make a place and i can give xample after xample. 

Edited August 15, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[philcric]

^^ Don't think it's necessarily Rohit Vs Pujara.

 

It's more about ...

 

Whether Pujara is good enough to be in the team. By general consensus, this is up for debate.

Whether Rohit deserves his chances so much that the whole batting lineup has to be shuffled to accommodate him. By general consensus, a big NO.

 

 

[Silva]

But I don't remember Yuvi or Raina being this bad for 29 innings. Even Raina played a key role in winning a test series in West Indies.  And keep in mind they were in the team as number 6 or 7 specialist after 5 great specialist batsman + Dhoni who was also a decent batsman. You can see why Team management might have wanted an aggressive batsman who could bowl a bit in a team only 4 specialist bowlers. Rohit is being picked as basically the number 5 batsman with only all rounders coming in after him. plus  the teams 2 best batsmen are forced play out of position while keeping Vijay (who has also been one of Indias best batsman) and Pujara sitting on the bench. The faith being put on Rohit is much bigger than the faith that was put into Raina and Yuvi. The comparison really doesn't come close.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, philcric said:

^^ Don't think it's necessarily Rohit Vs Pujara.

 

It's more about ...

 

Whether Pujara is good enough to be in the team. By general consensus, this is up for debate.

Whether Rohit deserves his chances so much that the whole batting lineup has to be shuffled to accommodate him. By general consensus, a big NO.

Its Rohit vs Pujara coz as of now ur top 4 batsman are kohli, rahane, vijay and rahul so its a toss up between Pujara rohit n dhawan. Vijay did sit out in last game but i dnt expect that to happen for long as he'll be back and he is mentally tough player so i expect him to be on money righty away.

 

Its basically about the debate of 5th batsman and we have been debating about these two only. We all can have our opinion that who deserves a chance but ultimately its captain wish. Now if he wants to let him give maggie final chance and if he fails i hope his case id done for once n all. I can understand a player like him is always a temptation to an aggressive captain so let him satisfy his wish or else he ll keep giving him 1-2 games and despite his failure he wont drop him coz he ll feel he didnt give him a fair run. IF rohit is good enough he ll do well or else we are most welcome to Bajao Kohli for it. Pujara will also get his chances once Rohit fails and he shouldnt feel upset about it . Rather he should work on his game in off time like dravid did when he was dropped from team. If Dravid was his ideal then follow him right way and see how he fought his way back. And he should feel victim also as his perfomance wasnt great enough . If he would have scored runs he would have bee in team. If he is dropped it is for a reason and better communicate with team,know it and work on it. 

[maniac]

41 minutes ago, philcric said:

Discussing team win. Discussing team selection. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Team win - The team as a whole played well and won. Everyone's happy that the team won.

 

Team selection - Your best opener is benched. Your least successful batsman is picked. Your two best batsmen are played out of their regular positions to accommodate your least successful batsman. Your captain says going forward, to accommodate our least successful batsman, we may again bench our best opener and we may again play our two best batsmen out of their regular positions.

 

So yeah forgive people wanting to discuss what the fcuk is going on.

 

Huh? So many threads and news articles about Rohit's position and how it is affecting the balance of the team etc etc. and how many threads do you actually see that acknowledges the obvious fact that this is a "HISTORIC WIN" 2-0 in the WI has not happened before for us......Infact should have been 3-0.

 

The surprising part is there was a lot of maturity shown relatively in the drawn game that should have been won  but the moment a few changes were made and we won,now team selection has become a burning issue and a national debate lol.

 

Yeah they are not mutually exclusive but sure as hell they are interdependent.

 

Best opener is benched-Agreed 100%...Vijay ahead of Dhawan...discussed...done to death.

 

For some reason the Pujara-Rohit debate keeps to go on and on and on and on.

 

Was Pujara unfairly dropped-don't think so.

 

Was Rohit the fair replacement-Again an argument that is done to death.

 

Where there any other backup batsmen as replacement-Yes,there was one available

 

Was he played-Yes he was

 

Was his name Rohit?-Yes

 

Was Rohit the fair replacement- now again the argument cycle continues

 

Now to Rohit's credit his innings gave the impetus and momentum in the 2nd innings despite the first innings failure,so debate still hangs in balance.

 

For now better to go with the winning combo....so not sure why there is so much hue and cry

 

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by maniac

[philcric]

50 minutes ago, maniac said:

Huh? So many threads and news articles about Rohit's position and how it is affecting the balance of the team etc etc. and how many threads do you actually see that acknowledges the obvious fact that this is a "HISTORIC WIN" 2-0 in the WI has not happened before for us......Infact should have been 3-0.

 

The surprising part is there was a lot of maturity shown relatively in the drawn game that should have been won when the team but the moment a few changes were made and we won,now team selection has become a burning issue and a national debate lol.

 

Yeah they are not mutually exclusive but sure as hell they are interdependent.

 

Best opener is benched-Agreed 100%...Vijay ahead of Dhawan...discussed...done to death.

 

For some reason the Pujara-Rohit debate keeps to go on and on and on and on.

 

Was Pujara unfairly dropped-don't think so.

 

Was Rohit the fair replacement-Again an argument that is done to death.

 

Where there any other backup batsmen as replacement-Yes,there was one available

 

Was he played-Yes he was

 

Was his name Rohit?

 

Was Rohit the fair replacement- now again the argument cycle continues

 

Now to Rohit's credit his innings gave the impetus and momentum in the 2nd innings despite the first innings failure,so debate still hangs in balance.

 

For now better to go with the winning combo....so not sure why there is so much hue and cry

 

 

Go with the winning combo .. that's a stupid thing to say, especially in this instance when it is quite possible we won in spite of that (batting) combo and not because of it. 

 

Top Order (1-3) ... Vijay, Rahul, Dhawan, Pujara .... Vijay & Rahul the first 2 picks on ability / past performances / current form. The remaining spot is debatable between Dhawan and Pujara.

 

Middle Order (4-5) ... Kohli and Rahane. Both of them doing consistently well for a while now. No need for a change here.

 

So, you bring a new player (who has been a failure so far) and put him at #5 (where a problem didn't exist) and move your #4 (where a problem didn't exist) to #3 potentially creating a new problem for him and the team.

 

 

Let me put it in an even simpler way ...

 

Do we have a problem in the top order? May be. Can Rohit fix it? NO.

 

Do we have a problem in the middle order? NO. Can Rohit fix it? Doesn't matter, there's nothing to fix.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by philcric

[Jimmy Cliff]

A year ago, Rohit was meant to bring "flair" to the no. 3 spot.

 

In 2016, he's supposed to be the "dangerous" option at no. 5.

 

I guess his next avatar will be a Gilchrist type counter-attacking no. 7 in 2017.

[philcric]

40 minutes ago, maniac said:

Huh? So many threads and news articles about Rohit's position and how it is affecting the balance of the team etc etc. 

Yeah annoying, man. But gotta suck it up. The way the rest of us do when people talk about mythical talent and not runs scored, lame excuses for failures, bigging up non existent bowling ability, hyping the least required virtue of test match batting - 6 hitting ability, and sometimes flat out lies.

 

[maniac]

21 minutes ago, philcric said:

Go with the winning combo .. that's a stupid thing to say, especially in this instance when it is quite possible we won in spite of that (batting) combo and not because of it. 

 

Top Order (1-3) ... Vijay, Rahul, Dhawan, Pujara .... Vijay & Rahul the first 2 picks on ability / past performances / current form. The remaining spot is debatable between Dhawan and Pujara.

 

Middle Order (4-5) ... Kohli and Rahane. Both of them doing consistently well for a while now. No need for a change here.

 

So, you bring a new player (who has been a failure so far) and put him at #5 (where a problem didn't exist) and move your #4 (where a problem didn't exist) to #3 potentially creating a new problem for him and the team.

 

 

Let me put it in an even simpler way ...

 

Do we have a problem in the top order? May be. Can Rohit fix it? NO.

 

Do we have a problem in the middle order? NO. Can Rohit fix it? Doesn't matter, there's nothing to fix.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to be a very organized guy,let me break it down to you

 

Step 1-Dhawan,Vijay and Rahul-All 3 openers....tap into basic cricketing 101-only 2 openers required.

Outcome-Common sense- pick 2....Vijay and Rahul on ability....now Surplus Dhawan-what do we do with him?

 

Step 2-Dhawan at No 3 or Pujara?

Outcome-basic cricketing acumen-Pujara

 

Step 3-Analyze Pujara's current form and his ability to accelerate-

Outcome Form-None,Ability to accelerate-Non existent

 

Step 4-Look for backups

Outcome-Rohit Sharma

 

Step 5-Assess Rohit's Stats

Outcome- ABility on paper-unmatched  Stats-Average Ability to accelerate-5 stars

 

Final evaluation-Opposition bowling-Below-Par and a weak team

Target-to reach No 1

Plan to achieve target- Bat the opposition out of the game...not to be confused with grind the opposition out of the game

 

End Result-Pick Rohit

 

Key takeaways-Revisit this when conditions and opposition and current combo changes and revisit options

 

[cricketpitch]

To be really frank, Kohli's backing of Dhawan and Rohit could mean the end of Vijay and Pujara for good. Since Rahul has done well, he will keep his opening spot and with India not playing overseas for another year and a half, Kohli might continue with Dhawan as the second opener. I don't know if Rohit will succeed or not in tests. He did succeed in ODI after 5-6 years of continuous backing in spite of failures. Now he he is receiving the same amount of backing in the tests, he surely is the luckiest cricketer ever to play for India.

[philcric]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

You seem to be a very organized guy,let me break it down to you

 

Step 1-Dhawan,Vijay and Rahul-All 3 openers....tap into basic cricketing 101-only 2 openers required.

Outcome-Common sense- pick 2....Vijay and Rahul on ability....now Surplus Dhawan-what do we do with him?

 

Step 2-Dhawan at No 3 or Pujara?

Outcome-basic cricketing acumen-Pujara

 

Step 3-Analyze Pujara's current form and his ability to accelerate-

Outcome Form-None,Ability to accelerate-Non existent

 

Step 4-Look for backups

Outcome-Rohit Sharma

 

Step 5-Assess Rohit's Stats

Outcome- ABility on paper-unmatched  Stats-Average Ability to accelerate-5 stars

 

Final evaluation-Opposition bowling-Below-Par and a weak team

Target-to reach No 1

Plan to achieve target- Bat the opposition out of the game...not to be confused with grind the opposition out of the game

 

End Result-Pick Rohit

 

Key takeaways-Revisit this when conditions and opposition and current combo changes and revisit options

 

The bolded bits. This is the kind of stuff where you lose all your credibility.

(Side Note - For a long time I thought you were like one of those spoof twitter accounts (like the Nasir Jamshed one) where stuff gets said with tongue firmly in cheek, but later I realised you are just a silly fanboy who has propensity for hyperbole).

 

I mean it's fine if you believe Rohit can become a good test player. But what the fcuk does "ABility on paper-unmatched" even mean? May be he should be playing cricket on paper?

 

Regarding "ability to accelerate", it comes into picture only when runs are being scored. In tests, if you are not scoring big runs, it doesn't matter if you have the "ability to accelerate". 

 

Most of the test batsmen's SR is between 45-55. Not much of a range and hardly the most important thing. The basis of test batting is the volume of runs. Then comes the ability to survive tough periods. Then comes the ability to score fast.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by philcric

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, philcric said:

 

I mean it's fine if you believe Rohit can become a good test player. But what the fcuk does "ABility on paper-unmatched" even mean? May be he should be playing cricket on paper?

 

Regarding "ability to accelerate", it comes into picture only when runs are being scored. In tests, if you are not scoring big runs, it doesn't matter if you have the "ability to accelerate". 

 

 

 

 

It means Rohit  is a superb book-cricket player. Sort of makes sense as it needs luck and we all know who the luckiest cricketer is.    ( For those of you who do not know, book cricket is a game where you open the page of a book and the last digit of the page to your left is your run.  This  process continues.  If it is a zero, you are out. )

 

And you cannot deny that he can accelerate the fall of wickets of the Indian team in a test match. Previously it was direct...now it is also by sending one of our best batsmen at no.3.....I give him 5-star too.        

Edited August 15, 2016 by express bowling

[Texan]

The comparison is a bit unfair IMO. Yuvraj and Raina never had any stellar FC records to back their accent into Test cricket. In contrast, Rohit has consistently averaged 50+ in FC cricket. Rohit definitely earned his spot in the Test team with FC performances to back his LOI performances. On the contrary, Yuvraj and Raina got their spots solely due to their LOI exploits. Of course, after Rohit got picked, he got plenty of opportunities to prove his mettle and so far he hasn't met with much success. 

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