Pak VS India in terms of pace bowling

[gakgupta]

Is Pak pace bowling really better than Indian pace bowling in test matches??

I really don't think so...

Let's not discuss spin bowling here

Let's not discuss past as everyone knows it.

Being left hand bowlers might be helping Pak a little bit but quality and inconsistencey wise-- there isn't much change

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[Asim]

Paksitan, may be not too far right now but definitely ahead in my opinion...

Rahat, Wahab, Aamir, Imran, Sohail

will make slightly better attack anywhere as compared to:

Ishant, Shami, Bhuv, Yadav...

[express bowling]

The pace attack of today of both countries are neither bad nor good.

 

It is difficult to pick one over the other.

 

Shami is perhaps the best all-condition pacer among the quicks of both countries.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by express bowling

[youngindia]

Pakistan's bowling will remain ahead of india's atleast for the next 10 years.

 

they have been able to find more top tier bowlers, have the ability to spot and nurture fast bowlers.

 

these things take a long time to change.

 

India's advantage can come up only when it can tap its larger population and against a 150 million country its even harder

 

right we have not found top tier bowlers from our big cities...thats  starting from a low base to speak..

 

hence plenty of developments before we can overtake pakistan

 

[ShebbySB]

Pakistan still better than us but we can evolve our pace bowling line up now specially having Kohli as a captain. Shami is clearly the best we have right now.We do have variety and decent bench strength.Another advantage we have is our bowling unit is still very young,all between 26-28.

Shami has pace,swing,seam and skill(sets up well,bowls according to a plan).

BK is a genuine swing bowler who improved his pace from 128-130k to 135-138k on avg.

Ishant get good bounce,nowadays got his pace back somewhat...still stats are pretty avg.

Umesh has extra pace and swing.

Aaron is the quickest who hits the deck hard.

Then we have upcoming bowlers or fringe bowlers in Nathu (quick),Rajpoot(tall and sharp),Shardul (in the squad right now,has done well

in FC),Kulkarni(similar to BK,performs decently though avg by test standard),Bumrah(quick,unorthodox),he's seen as a LOI specialist but has good FC record,has done very well for India,Veer Pratap Singh (rated highly by McGrath), Brainder Sran (tall,lefty,decent pace,swing the ball), Aniket Chowdhury (best left arm seamer in the country right now in my opinion).Except these guys there is Rahul Shukla and Pawan Suyal with potential but not in the scheme of things right now.So the cupboard is far from empty,need to utilize the resource.

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by ShebbySB

[gakgupta]

Pakistan still better than us but we can evolve our pace bowling line up now specially having Kohli as a captain. Shami is clearly the best we have right now.We do have variety and decent bench strength.Another advantage we have is our bowling unit is still very young,all between 26-28.

Shami has pace,swing,seam and skill(sets up well,bowls according to a plan).

BK is a genuine swing bowler who improved his pace from 128-130k to 135-138k on avg.

Ishant get good bounce,nowadays got his pace back somewhat...still stats are pretty avg.

Umesh has extra pace and swing.

Aaron is the quickest who hits the deck hard.

Then we have upcoming bowlers or fringe bowlers in Nathu (quick),Rajpoot(tall and sharp),Shardul (in the squad right now,has done well

in FC),Kulkarni(similar to BK,performs decently though avg by test standard),Bumrah(quick,unorthodox),he's seen as a LOI specialist but has good FC record,has done very well for India,Veer Pratap Singh (rated highly by McGrath), Brainder Sran (tall,lefty,decent pace,swing the ball), Aniket Chowdhury (best left arm seamer in the country right now in my opinion).Except these guys there is Rahul Shukla and Pawan Suyal with potential but not in the scheme of things right now.So the cupboard is far from empty,need to utilize the resource.

 

Can someone put someone light on Pak upcoming talent as well

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[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, ShebbySB said:

Pakistan still better than us but we can evolve our pace bowling line up now specially having Kohli as a captain. Shami is clearly the best we have right now.We do have variety and decent bench strength.Another advantage we have is our bowling unit is still very young,all between 26-28.

Shami has pace,swing,seam and skill(sets up well,bowls according to a plan).

BK is a genuine swing bowler who improved his pace from 128-130k to 135-138k on avg.

Ishant get good bounce,nowadays got his pace back somewhat...still stats are pretty avg.

Umesh has extra pace and swing.

Aaron is the quickest who hits the deck hard.

Then we have upcoming bowlers or fringe bowlers in Nathu (quick),Rajpoot(tall and sharp),Shardul (in the squad right now,has done well

in FC),Kulkarni(similar to BK,performs decently though avg by test standard),Bumrah(quick,unorthodox),he's seen as a LOI specialist but has good FC record,has done very well for India,Veer Pratap Singh (rated highly by McGrath), Brainder Sran (tall,lefty,decent pace,swing the ball), Aniket Chowdhury (best left arm seamer in the country right now in my opinion).Except these guys there is Rahul Shukla and Pawan Suyal with potential but not in the scheme of things right now.So the cupboard is far from empty,need to utilize the resource.

 

 

We also have u19 pacers like Avesh Khan who is tall, gets bounce and is pacy for his age. Has the knack of picking wickets and gets seam movement.

 

Then there is u19 Khaleel Ahmed who is a left hander, tall , gets swing and has decent pace. Bowls a good bouncer.

 

We have another pacer named Chama Milind....he is a left-hander, can swing the ball consistently and has decent pace.

 

Shami is the best all-condition pacer we have and Bumrah and Nathu Singh may get there too.  ( combining pace/bounce with skills )

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, gakgupta said:

Is Pak pace bowling really better than Indian pace bowling in test matches??

I really don't think so...

Let's not discuss spin bowling here

Let's not discuss past as everyone knows it.

Being left hand bowlers might be helping Pak a little bit but quality and inconsistencey wise-- there isn't much change

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Surprising when you see the present stats.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by Vilander

[Vilander]

if you leave Ishant the phenom out of the equation the current Indian bowling is actually better than the Pak one.

[express bowling]

This is how Indian and  Pakistani pacers have fared in  test matches  the last 5 years  ( minimum qualification - 30 test wickets )

 

Classification by  Bowling Strike Rates 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
UT Yadav (India)	2011-2016	19	36	520.0	89	2060	58	5/93	7/103	35.51	3.96	53.7	1	0
Mohammed Shami (India)	2013-2016	16	30	539.3	82	1983	58	5/47	9/118	34.18	3.67	55.8	2	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2011-2013	12	24	378.3	70	1251	38	4/61	6/89	32.92	3.30	59.7	0	0
Wahab Riaz (PAK)	2014-2016	11	20	364.5	48	1249	36	4/66	6/164	34.69	3.42	60.8	0	0
B Kumar (India)	2013-2016	14	23	360.3	85	1074	35	6/82	6/46	30.68	2.97	61.8	3	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2011-2015	22	41	767.3	157	2253	71	5/38	8/151	31.73	2.93	64.8	5	0
Rahat Ali (PAK)	2013-2016	17	31	576.4	106	1857	48	6/127	7/100	38.68	3.22	72.0	2	0
I Sharma (India)	2011-2016	34	60	1082.3	219	3425	86	7/74	9/162	39.82	3.16	75.5	4	0
Z Khan (India)	2011-2014	13	21	491.2	88	1571	38	5/170	7/130	41.34	3.19	77.5	1

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_strike_rate;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=25+Aug+2016;spanmin1=25+Aug+2011;spanval1=span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

Classification by Bowling Averages

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
B Kumar (India)	2013-2016	14	23	360.3	85	1074	35	6/82	6/46	30.68	2.97	61.8	3	0
Junaid Khan (PAK)	2011-2015	22	41	767.3	157	2253	71	5/38	8/151	31.73	2.93	64.8	5	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2011-2013	12	24	378.3	70	1251	38	4/61	6/89	32.92	3.30	59.7	0	0
Mohammed Shami (India)	2013-2016	16	30	539.3	82	1983	58	5/47	9/118	34.18	3.67	55.8	2	0
Wahab Riaz (PAK)	2014-2016	11	20	364.5	48	1249	36	4/66	6/164	34.69	3.42	60.8	0	0
UT Yadav (India)	2011-2016	19	36	520.0	89	2060	58	5/93	7/103	35.51	3.96	53.7	1	0
Rahat Ali (PAK)	2013-2016	17	31	576.4	106	1857	48	6/127	7/100	38.68	3.22	72.0	2	0
I Sharma (India)	2011-2016	34	60	1082.3	219	3425	86	7/74	9/162	39.82	3.16	75.5	4	0
Z Khan (India)	2011-2014	13	21	491.2	88	1571	38	5/170	7/130	41.34	3.19	77.5	1	0

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=30;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=25+Aug+2016;spanmin1=25+Aug+2011;spanval1=span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Source : ESPNCRICINFO

 

 

 

 

Indians have taken wickets much more quickly  compared to the  Pakistanis ( we have 2 pacers with low SR ) and  no teams have produced pacers with under 30 averages.

 

Edited August 25, 2016 by express bowling

[ShebbySB]

54 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We also have u19 pacers like Avesh Khan who is tall, gets bounce and is pacy for his age. Has the knack of picking wickets and gets seam movement.

 

Then there is u19 Khaleel Ahmed who is a left hander, tall , gets swing and has decent pace. Bowls a good bouncer.

 

We have another pacer named Chama Milind....he is a left-hander, can swing the ball consistently and has decent pace.

 

Shami is the best all-condition pacer we have and Bumrah and Nathu Singh may get there too.  ( combining pace/bounce with skills )

I missed Avesh....yeah he's a bright prospect and will be as quick as Umesh in time.

[Ankit_sharma03]

PAK will always produce truckloads of fast bowlers but its been a mystery why is past few yrs no one has reached another level. Asif the fixer was the biggest loss, the guy could have been among legend.

In Pak ppl do know how to identify a talent and when to fast track it. One thing in terms of fast bowling that has gone down for Pak over the yrs is the comfort of their bowlers with new ball. A lot of Pak-ex cricketers also pointed many times that their bowlers are more effective with old ball than new. Umar gul was one example who use to become a diff bowler once the ball went old. 

Btw what happ to Irfan????

 

India does have a good stock of fast bowler but no mentor and the idea of fast tracking seems to have disappeared with us now. There is a lot of talent but lack of guidance is also there. Fast bowling is all about attitude which i feel have become better with our bowler but still that has to improve a lot. I can predict our fast bowling will reach new heights in next 3-4 yrs for sure. 

 

Among both teams Shami is indeed the best fast bowler. 

[Pakistan]

2 hours ago, gakgupta said:

Is Pak pace bowling really better than Indian pace bowling in test matches??

I really don't think so...

Let's not discuss spin bowling here

Let's not discuss past as everyone knows it.

Being left hand bowlers might be helping Pak a little bit but quality and inconsistencey wise-- there isn't much change

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Past inspire the present and tradition continues.

[Asim]

5 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

pakistani pacers runup, gather and actions are generally pretty good ,their pace bowling coaches at junior levers must be doing a good job

Its more of a natural+cultural thing... I rather believe if street kids start getting some direction and club/junior cricketers start getting proper coaching, this talent can reach to another level...

[tweaker]

We have invested lot of time in Ishant,If Aaron & Yadav would have got such backing,our fast bowling performance would have been more spectacular

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

also if you check the actions of various pak bowlers from the past and compare them to modern bowlers(modern as in from 2000 onwards), modern bowlers look better.

But the older Pakistani pacers bowled better...and that is what is more important.

[Lala]

we are the bowling power house since past. we have produce world class bowlers. India is a batting power house. 

[renjith]

Pakistan always had 3-4 international class fast bowlers. While india at best had 1 international class fast bowler and rest below average. Present case is also same with shami being the only intl class bowler.

[rkt.india]

35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

But the older Pakistani pacers bowled better...and that is what is more important.

we cant assume those past fast bowlers would have performed the same way now as well as they did then.

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

we cant assume those past fast bowlers would have performed the same way now as well as they did then.

 

Most probably they wouldn't have  but two of their qualities were self belief  and doing what was needed to take wickets at international level....... And it had a lot to do with Imran's guidance and mentoring  in their formative years.