Shamim.Miah Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) In responce to @altcricket "If you feel that your safety might be compromised in your day job, then why risk it? I fully respect Eoin Morgan's call". by Twitter handle @miah_shamim91 "not to sure would have pulled out if that was India Tour or IPL- he did admit the Banglore incident yet stayed! BD easy target" question to cricket members, would Morgan pull out if instead of Bangladesh it was India? Knowing that pulling out might make BCCI angry and restrict him from taking part in IPL? Please discuss. MODERATOR UPDATE:Alex Hales and Eoin Morgan both opt out. http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1056341.html Edited September 11, 2016 by Malcolm Merlyn Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Its not about the BCCI.Its about overall perception of India being a rising power and the ability of India to handle terror attacks. G_B_, MechEng, sscomp32 and 2 others 5 Link to comment
beautifulgame Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The question is whether he would have trusted BCCI in handling his security . I think he would have considering he has been part of several IPLs and World cups in India . G_B_ 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I find BD and Pak folks complaining about terror related cancellations and siting India, sad and pathetic. 1, Terror is born where and on what scale ? - not in India most of the time at least never without foreign impetus , can that be said about BD,and Pak. Please do not quote some news trader mythical term like saffron terror. 2, India has 1.5+2 that is 3.5 active armed troops across Military+Param+CAPF+SAPF (active as in armed or garrisoned and not irregulars) besides the state police forces ( unknown number) and additional reserves across board yet an other 3 million. Indian paramilitary can comfortably engage and out last several large nations armies. It is beyond ridonculous to compare a BD or Pak state of preparedness with that of India is tackling terror. Only a suicide squad can effect any impact full terror attack on India, with limited patronage and intense prevention measures after 26/11 the odds of that happening are also reducing, same is not true for BD and Pak. its simply a cold decision based on threat perception, live with it and enjoy your madrasas or reform your religion and assimilate with the world. Ironhide, chewy and G_B_ 3 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Although in case of BD there is a liberal progressive govt and the attacks are not heavily armed like what we see every week in Pak, so in essence BD has a more controllable law and order situation. They just need a few months of peace and quite to convince others. sandeep and G_B_ 2 Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 @Shamim.Miah Sorry bro, India is a safe country to come and enjoy and play sports. Rafa will be in India for a Davis Cup tie later this month. We Indians know how to make our visitor's stay pleasurable and peaceful. mishra 1 Link to comment
G_B_ Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Everything in life is risk to reward. Clearly Morgan feels the rewards of touring India outstrip the risk. Not the case with Bd express bowling and nevada 2 Link to comment
Shamim.Miah Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Englands security assessment considers Bangladesh to be safe. Now Morgan pulling out of the tour shows lack of trust in Reg? The security personals. Why would they consider it safe otherwise? I just feel his butting out. Let's look at it from results point of view. Assume Bangladesh whitewashes England in ODI with huge defeat margins, how likely would it be that Eoin Morgan gets sacked? Very. Probably his taken that very seriously in his consideration. Losing to Bangladesh is not taken easily by opposition fans, even Mr. Dhoni was under huge pressure after the recent ODI series, plus that couple of runs in T20 could have ended his career as captain player. The impact it has on opposition losing to Bangladesh is many, especially if your a big team. Mostly it leads to mass change or getting sacked. When the tiger roars.. Things get serious;) Edited September 9, 2016 by Shamim.Miah Ironhide 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I think its a bad choice by Morgan, but cant blame him too much. Give credit to the Pommies that they are sending the team unlike the convicts... Link to comment
nevada Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 42 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: Englands security assessment considers Bangladesh to be safe. Now Morgan pulling out of the tour shows lack of trust in Reg? The security personals. Why would they consider it safe otherwise? I just feel his butting out. Let's look at it from results point of view. Assume Bangladesh whitewashes England in ODI with huge defeat margins, how likely would it be that Eoin Morgan gets sacked? Very. Probably his taken that very seriously in his consideration. Losing to Bangladesh is not taken easily by opposition fans, even Mr. Dhoni was under huge pressure after the recent ODI series, plus that couple of runs in T20 could have ended his career as captain player. The impact it has on opposition losing to Bangladesh is many, especially if your a big team. Mostly it leads to mass change or getting sacked. When the tiger roars.. Things get serious;) After the clinical performance against Pak in the just concluded series, I dont think Morgan is in any danger of losing captaincy. But lack of motivation is understandable. If you lose to BD it's the end of the world but if you win it's no big deal because you are expected to. Add to that Bang bros nauseating attitude with over the top antics plus a dangerous security situation. Cant blame anyone for wanting to steer clear of that situation. Ironhide and Adi_91 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 47 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: Englands security assessment considers Bangladesh to be safe. Now Morgan pulling out of the tour shows lack of trust in Reg? The security personals. Why would they consider it safe otherwise? I just feel his butting out. Let's look at it from results point of view. Assume Bangladesh whitewashes England in ODI with huge defeat margins, how likely would it be that Eoin Morgan gets sacked? Very. Probably his taken that very seriously in his consideration. Losing to Bangladesh is not taken easily by opposition fans, even Mr. Dhoni was under huge pressure after the recent ODI series, plus that couple of runs in T20 could have ended his career as captain player. The impact it has on opposition losing to Bangladesh is many, especially if your a big team. Mostly it leads to mass change or getting sacked. When the tiger roars.. Things get serious;) more like when pussys imagine killing humans with a death stare. Obvious diff being pussy cats are cute, BD fans are repugnant like your post. Rasgulla and Ironhide 2 Link to comment
gakgupta Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 55 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: Englands security assessment considers Bangladesh to be safe. Now Morgan pulling out of the tour shows lack of trust in Reg? The security personals. Why would they consider it safe otherwise? I just feel his butting out. Let's look at it from results point of view. Assume Bangladesh whitewashes England in ODI with huge defeat margins, how likely would it be that Eoin Morgan gets sacked? Very. Probably his taken that very seriously in his consideration. Losing to Bangladesh is not taken easily by opposition fans, even Mr. Dhoni was under huge pressure after the recent ODI series, plus that couple of runs in T20 could have ended his career as captain player. The impact it has on opposition losing to Bangladesh is many, especially if your a big team. Mostly it leads to mass change or getting sacked. When the tiger roars.. Things get serious;) No doubt BD is on rise but you comments are little too cocky.... There were so many teams who have showed some progress and gone into oblivion.....hoepfully BD doesnt go that way Link to comment
Shamim.Miah Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vilander said: more like when pussys imagine killing humans with a death stare. Obvious diff being pussy cats are cute, BD fans are repugnant like your post. Relax bro. Don't be like BCCI, complaining at anything or everything! they want everything. Recent fiasco with ICC is a great example. And as fans there nothing wrong in dreaming big. If Leicester City can win the English Premier League, why can't Bangladeshi fans dream big of winning the world cup or trashing teams like India? The big boys? LCFC have shown us the way. Chill. Edited September 9, 2016 by Shamim.Miah Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: Relax bro. Don't be like BCCI, complaining at anything or everything! they want everything. Recent fiasco with ICC is a great example. And as fans there nothing wrong in dreaming big. If Leicester City can win the English Premier League, why can't Bangladeshi fans dream big of winning the world cup or trashing teams like India? The big boys? LCFC have shown us the way. Chill. what are you ranting, who is not relaxed ?. You country has a security situation an English guys does not want to travel and you are on here trying to say 1, Dhoni this , Dhoni that. 2, BCCI this, BCCi that. Its petty and small when someone involves India is situations where it has no locus standee what so ever. Ironhide and Rasgulla 2 Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Don't be harsh to our new bangla fan poster. He's not been as obnoxious as the previous versions. Miah, some of your compatriots are way too early and eager with the self-hype, that's why the rough words. Link to comment
Shamim.Miah Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Vilander said: what are you ranting, who is not relaxed ?. You country has a security situation an English guys does not want to travel and you are on here trying to say 1, Dhoni this , Dhoni that. 2, BCCI this, BCCi that. Its petty and small when someone involves India is situations where it has no locus standee what so ever. The article in cricinfo mentioned the incident about Banglore, which is in India. Morgan didn't leave India that time even though the blast took place outside the stadium. Also he has taken part in multiple IPL afterwards and never spoke/said anything about the security situation that time. Perhaps if he stopped coming he would have lost out on X amount of money from IPL? Perhaps if he openly said he didn't want to tour Indis- that could have ended his money making IPL career? Now all of a sudden when their own independent security people are saying it's safe he brings those reason up? So the question was valid would he not travel to India if that happened in India? Considering he will be ousted from IPL? It's just a opinion. http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1055555.html Edited September 9, 2016 by Shamim.Miah Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: The article in cricinfo mentioned the incident about Banglore, which is in India. Morgan didn't leave India that time even though the blast took place outside the stadium. Also he has taken part in multiple IPL afterwards and never spoke/said anything about the security situation that time. Perhaps if he stopped coming he would have lost out on X amount of money from IPL? Perhaps if he openly said he didn't want to tour Indis- that could have ended his money making IPL career? Now all of a sudden when their own independent security people are saying it's safe he brings those reason up? So the question was valid would he not travel to India if that happened in India? Considering he will be ousted from IPL? It's just a opinion. http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1055555.html He trusts Indian security establishment, he does not trust BD. Or the benefit of IPL is much more that what ever benefits he can get from BD. What has this got to do with India ? or BCCI ? Its your problem, your country needs to fix it self and its image. Rasgulla and Ironhide 2 Link to comment
Shamim.Miah Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Vilander said: He trusts Indian security establishment, he does not trust BD. Or the benefit of IPL is much more that what ever benefits he can get from BD. What has this got to do with India ? or BCCI ? Its your problem, your country needs to fix it self and its image. What I don't understand is why he is not trusting their independent security judgement by ECB. But like you say he would trust Indian security establishment. Can't countries be treated fairly? Or has it now become the bigger the benefit the more risk I would take situation?! Link to comment
sandeep Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 39 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said: Or has it now become the bigger the benefit the more risk I would take situation?! Isn't that how most people would approach it? why is it a question of fairness? Would you risk your life and go to Pakistan or Syria or Somalia for a few bucks? Would you change that decision if it was a few million bucks? Link to comment
chewy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Never understand this inferior complexity from Pakistani and Bangladeshi cricket fans and administrators whining...but but but what about India, BCCI, Dhoni... At least India sends their u19 and first team to Bangla when all the whiteys question travelling there be pissed at Aus and Eng Ironhide 1 Link to comment
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