Muloghonto Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Asim said: Trust level of trust on india is so high that NONE in whole world bought indian claims... Whole world media reported it as "india claims a strike"... "Paksitan denies" and there was a "Cross-border CLASH" from both sides... Im sure the "game Modi played" with indian nation, will apparently start getting exposed... That is the diplomatic lingo. Haven't you been watching Syria ? Its all about 'US Claims Russia strikes in Aleppo, Russia denies'. Doesn't mean that they don't recognize the fact, it means that OFFICIALLY, aka DIPLOMATICALLY, it is not a fact unless it has bipartisan confirmation. Oh right, i forgot- they don't teach law in Pakistan. FYI, we here is a Wall street journal link for you: http://www.wsj.com/articles/india-says-it-hit-terrorist-bases-in-pakistan-controlled-kashmir-with-strikes-1475135558 Again, i will remind you: This is Indian military we are talking about. Not politicians. Our military is a professional force, that doesnt fabricate claims of incidents that never happened. This isn't Pakistani military who claim they are winning 24 hours before surrender. It is in the interest of your military to deny the whole thing. And we are fine with it too! chewy and Asim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Quote Army's Surgical Strikes Were Carefully Measured: American Think-Tank Jonah Blank, from RAND Corporation said after Mumbai attack, India's patience had reached its limit. WASHINGTON: The Indian Army's surgical strike inside Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (PoK) against terrorists planning to infiltrate into India for terror activities was "carefully measured", a top American think-tank said today, adding the onus for escalation lies purely on Pakistan. "This Indian response was indeed coming. Both as a signal to Pakistan and as reassurance for Indian domestic audiences. Modi could not let the outrage at Uri go unanswered," Ashley Tellis of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a top American think-tank said. "The Indian action was carefully measured: striking at terrorist launch pads was meant to signal that India has not lost its freedom to retaliate, but puts the onus of further escalation on Pakistan," Tellis said. Responding to a question, Tellis said the US will, counsel restraint, but unless the administration is willing to turn the screws on Pakistan -- which is unlikely -- India will be guided by its own interests, not American pleas for forbearance. "I think Pakistan has its hands full right now, it is unlikely to respond to the Indian action militarily, but the larger sub-conventional war against India will continue," Tellis said. Rick Rossow from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) recalled that the hint of such strikes was given last year, when the Indian Army initiated an attack against terrorists in Myanmar. "India has also shown other new tools in its confrontation with Pakistan, such as withdrawing from the upcoming SAARC summit, building stronger ties with other South Asian nations, and using closer security ties with the US as a hook to press for reduced military cooperation with Pakistan," he said. "This will likely keep Islamabad on its toes, though when employing new tools in such a struggle, clear messaging is key so both sides know the others' intentions. This will guard against unanticipated escalation," Rossow said. According to him, following a number of recent provocations that India has linked to Pakistan-based terrorist groups, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has employed a different set of tools to respond to these incitements. "These tools may not be altogether new, but the fact that they have been the focus of India's response to Pakistan's incitements marks a different approach," he said. Rossow said while the Ministry of Defence has stated it does not plan additional strikes, it is not clear whether the current tensions between India and Pakistan will escalate further. "There is certainly little expectation that Pakistani militants, under varying degrees of control by Pakistan's military, will be deterred from initiating further attacks. But the costs to Islamabad of supporting terrorism are increasing, and taking different forms than before," Rossow said. Jonah Blank, from the RAND Corporation think tank said that after the Mumbai 2008 attacks, India's patience had reached its limit. "Pathankot was the breaking point. It was probably unrealistic to expect that the Uri attack would fail to bring a military response,"he said. "The phone call between Ajit Doval and Susan Rice accomplished two important things: First, it enlisted the US to help prevent a Pakistani counter-strike. Second, it avoided jeopardizing the India-US relationship by having Washington find out about the attack from Islamabad or the media, he noted. "There was never much likelihood that the US would condemn the attack. After an American surgical strike against Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, any criticism of India for a cross-border action would have seemed hypocritical," Blank said. "The outcome, limited Indian strike, limited Pakistani response, was probably as good as could have been desired. A stronger Indian strike, or a Pakistani escalation into full warfare, would not have served either nation's interest," he said. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/armys-surgical-strikes-were-carefully-measured-american-think-tank-1468624 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: That is the diplomatic lingo. Haven't you been watching Syria ? Its all about 'US Claims Russia strikes in Aleppo, Russia denies'. Doesn't mean that they don't recognize the fact, it means that OFFICIALLY, aka DIPLOMATICALLY, it is not a fact unless it has bipartisan confirmation. Oh right, i forgot- they don't teach law in Pakistan. FYI, we here is a Wall street journal link for you: http://www.wsj.com/articles/india-says-it-hit-terrorist-bases-in-pakistan-controlled-kashmir-with-strikes-1475135558 Again, i will remind you: This is Indian military we are talking about. Not politicians. Our military is a professional force, that doesnt fabricate claims of incidents that never happened. This isn't Pakistani military who claim they are winning 24 hours before surrender. It is in the interest of your military to deny the whole thing. And we are fine with it too! Wow...Thanks for ur Bhashan over diplomacy but what the... media got to do with this stuff? there's heck of diff bw how world media reports and how diplomacy interprets... btw what diff ur URL saying? that's rather what I mentioned... "India says it hit"... and its just funny u r comparing it with "US Claims Russia strikes ..." seriously? how often u see a news like: "US says we hit"... or "Russia says it did..." what happens at state-level is happens and whole world knows, and then media do not report this way, yes untill its some non-state things like "Taliban claims we did...." or "XYZ Terrorists group says it hit"... (and here reporting like this obviously means we; our media sources do not hold responsibility of this news, we are just reporting claims made by XYZ...) Deucalion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Seems like coward Pakistanis rattled again trying to make themselves believe nothing happened...I bet there must retards still in Lahore thinking East Pakistan still exists lage raho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, Asim said: Wow...Thanks for ur Bhashan over diplomacy but what the... media got to do with this stuff? there's heck of diff bw how world media reports and how diplomacy interprets... btw what diff ur URL saying? that's rather what I mentioned... "India says it hit"... and its just funny u r comparing it with "US Claims Russia strikes ..." seriously? how often u see a news like: "US says we hit"... or "Russia says it did..." what happens at state-level is happens and whole world knows, and then media do not report this way, yes untill its some non-state things like "Taliban claims we did...." or "XYZ Terrorists group says it hit"... (and here reporting like this obviously means we; our media sources do not hold responsibility of this news, we are just reporting claims made by XYZ...) How would US media actually India did a strike or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 49 minutes ago, Asim said: Wow...Thanks for ur Bhashan over diplomacy but what the... media got to do with this stuff? there's heck of diff bw how world media reports and how diplomacy interprets... btw what diff ur URL saying? that's rather what I mentioned... "India says it hit"... and its just funny u r comparing it with "US Claims Russia strikes ..." seriously? how often u see a news like: "US says we hit"... or "Russia says it did..." what happens at state-level is happens and whole world knows, and then media do not report this way, yes untill its some non-state things like "Taliban claims we did...." or "XYZ Terrorists group says it hit"... (and here reporting like this obviously means we; our media sources do not hold responsibility of this news, we are just reporting claims made by XYZ...) We see that type of headline for Russia, China, practically any non-NATO 'big guy or non-compliant friend guy' all the time in North America. Where the F do you live ? English-stan ? Do you seriously want me to post articles of past geopolitical consequence where it begins ' Russia says...China says..' etc ? My point is simple- I see more objective reason for believing India than Pakistan if their militaries are involved. For one simple reason: our military leaders are NOT our ruling class. They don't own massive amounts of property, live in palaces, subvert the entire media, overthrow the government. They are career soldiers. Just like in the US. Crappier obviously, but same conceptually. They have less interest in manufacturing geopolitical claims or creating long-term subversive strategies. Yours however, fits the bill of the good ol medieval Warrior state, where the ruling class *IS* the military. Asim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 Pakistan can deny and they will deny.But their army knows that they got hit and India will not shy away from imposing costs on Pakistan for terror attacks.Till know Pakistan hasnt had to pay much for these attacks.That has changed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 35 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: We see that type of headline for Russia, China, practically any non-NATO 'big guy or non-compliant friend guy' all the time in North America. Where the F do you live ? English-stan ? Do you seriously want me to post articles of past geopolitical consequence where it begins ' Russia says...China says..' etc ? My point is simple- I see more objective reason for believing India than Pakistan if their militaries are involved. For one simple reason: our military leaders are NOT our ruling class. They don't own massive amounts of property, live in palaces, subvert the entire media, overthrow the government. They are career soldiers. Just like in the US. Crappier obviously, but same conceptually. They have less interest in manufacturing geopolitical claims or creating long-term subversive strategies. Yours however, fits the bill of the good ol medieval Warrior state, where the ruling class *IS* the military. I guess its same planet, where the """F""" do u live? Mars? I can only laugh if u r unable to see any diff in "USA claims Russia did" vs "India claims it did" and Why on earth should I belive in ur so called objective reasons... india lead by a person like Modi with some "Established" background; someone who was even banned to enter USA due to that 'established' record (might get banned again once his PMship is over, who knows), india with a historic track of 'staged' activities... can't b trusted for any claim they make, b it Modi govt itself or any xyz army Under Modi govt... Deucalion and Adi_91 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 26 minutes ago, Asim said: I guess its same planet, where the """F""" do u live? Mars? I can only laugh if u r unable to see any diff in "USA claims Russia did" vs "India claims it did" and Why on earth should I belive in ur so called objective reasons... india lead by a person like Modi with some "Established" background; someone who was even banned to enter USA due to that 'established' record (might get banned again once his PMship is over, who knows), india with a historic track of 'staged' activities... can't b trusted for any claim they make, b it Modi govt itself or any xyz army Under Modi govt... Hafiz Sayeed par to believe karoge. Asim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Time to take Hafeez Saeed down. There is a strong demand of that from the families of the soilders killed in Uri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jf1gp_1 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 7 hours ago, Asim said: Trust level of trust on india is so high that NONE in whole world bought indian claims... Whole world media reported it as "india claims a strike"... "Paksitan denies" and there was a "Cross-border CLASH" from both sides... Im sure the "game Modi played" with indian nation, will apparently start getting exposed... Pakistanis don't like the word surgical strike, fine so lets call it a police action carried out by army where terrorist were killed. You also said india didn't enter pak territory which is also correct since PoK belongs to us. So what is your objection we killed some terrorist on our land you should be happy for us. Asim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Asim said: I guess its same planet, where the """F""" do u live? Mars? I can only laugh if u r unable to see any diff in "USA claims Russia did" vs "India claims it did" and Why on earth should I belive in ur so called objective reasons... india lead by a person like Modi with some "Established" background; someone who was even banned to enter USA due to that 'established' record (might get banned again once his PMship is over, who knows), india with a historic track of 'staged' activities... can't b trusted for any claim they make, b it Modi govt itself or any xyz army Under Modi govt... 1.There is no 'established background'. He was legally tried and exonerated by the Justice system. 2. Sorry, what 'staged' stuff ? Or are you going once again by Pakistani reports that has been established to be far poorer in quality than Indian ones? I hope you are not from the Islamic alternate-universe of illogic that '9/11 was done by jews/americans' type of nut job stuff. 3. You can only laugh because perhaps you cannot read English and apparently there is a difference between 'Indian authorities said they did xyz' and 'Russian authorities said they did xyz' in your mind. 4. Our army is far more trustworthy than yours. Everyone acknowledges this when they call india a responsible power and Pakistan an unstable and unreliable one. Edited October 1, 2016 by Muloghonto Vilander and Asim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Why are we wasting time debating if strikes happened or not? Army has officially said this. Now if the cowards in Pak don't want to accept it because they have to accept existence of terrorists and/or even take counter action if they take it as an attack on Pak army, it is their problem Ind has put Pak in a weird position. And Pak usually tries to get out of it (without success) through denial (OBL case for example) Surgical strikes are nothing new in Pak. US has used drones too. Vilander and chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I like when u guys on Every argument try too hard somehow comparing urselv with US Kavva chala hans ki chaal Adi_91 and Deucalion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Asim said: I like when u guys on Every argument try too hard somehow comparing urselv with US Kavva chala hans ki chaal It is better to follow a country like US than ISIS Hopefully the coward army of Pak will fight the war themselves rather than through proxies Asim and Muloghonto 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 This is a good development, India humiliates pak and pak tries to hide and deny it. The strategic restraint shit is now on pak outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Pakistan not accepting was the best outcome for India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 Pakistan not accepting was the best outcome for India. Now they cannot even escalate without being held as the party which started it. chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 29 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Now they cannot even escalate without being held as the party which started it. Pak army is coward, relying on proxies to fight its war. Its bluff has been called out The denial is a smoke screen to maintain its aura of a powerful force within Pak chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 ^^ That also means that now we have a free reign and can raid into their controlled territory every time we want to take out these terrorists. Great move by Modi. Surprised that earlier PMs did not make this move. Should have anticipated Pak cowardly denial. chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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