BCCI vs Indian Court! Who is right?

[Shamim.Miah]

Not to sure about this! But as supporters from hearing both side of the story (Lodha v BCCI) who are you guys supporting? It maybe a complex issue and personally I am with the law enforcers! They are doing a very good job cracking this people down. In the long term this can be really good for Indian cricket. From my Twitter handle @miah_shamim91 I asked this question "Who are you supporting as Indian fan"? 

[sandeep]

There is no right here.  BCCI is a ***-up organization that could use some cleanup.  But Lodha commission is issuing Stalinist Politburo-esque dictats, some of which are not really in the best interests of Indian cricket.  

[Shamim.Miah]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

There is no right here.  BCCI is a ***-up organization that could use some cleanup.  But Lodha commission is issuing Stalinist Politburo-esque dictats, some of which are not really in the best interests of Indian cricket.  

I remember posting about how BCCI is corupt and most fans went mad against me! Even now they want to go against Lodha recommendation! This whole fiasco day by day is bringing out all the dirty work BCCI has been doing for years. 

[BeautifulGame]

There is no right here.  BCCI is a ***-up organization that could use some cleanup.  But Lodha commission is issuing Stalinist Politburo-esque dictats, some of which are not really in the best interests of Indian cricket.  

Which suggestions are not in the interest of Indian cricket ?

[mishra]

22 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Which suggestions are not in the interest of Indian cricket ?

They were there to give recommendation. Supreme Court gave orders. It is time for Panel to be disbanded.

For example, Having issues against Sharad Pawars appointment is fine  but having issue with every appointment by BCCI is not fine. It is acting like self appointed regulatory body.

 

From a news story. Lodha Panel guys are simply trying to take control over BCCI.

 

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The Board has also roped in senior lawyer and former MP Kapil Sibal to counsel it about the legalese involved. If the Supreme Court accepts the Lodha Committee's recommendations again, it could well mean the board's top officials are all removed and replaced by a panel of court-appointed overseers.

 

Edited October 6, 2016 by mishra

[BeautifulGame]

They were there to give recommendation. Supreme Court gave orders. It is time for Panel to be disbanded.

For example, Having issues against Sharad Pawars appointment is fine  but having issue with every appointment by BCCI is not fine. It is acting like self appointed regulatory body.

The panel was set up by SC and SC decided to implement the suggestions of the panel .

It's time BCCI start implementing the orders of the SC?

What Sharad Pawar appointment? And whose appointment was looked at ? I don't remember anything.

[mishra]

8 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

The panel was set up by SC and SC decided to implement the suggestions of the panel .

It's time BCCI start implementing the orders of the SC?

What Sharad Pawar appointment? And whose appointment was looked at ? I don't remember anything.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Justice-R-M-Lodha-Committee's-recommendations

 

There are pros and cons. But looks like Suprem Court judges trying to control BCCI. They are now NOT cleansing BCCI. Instead cache of BCCI Money seem to have corrupted them retired judges and nearing retirement judges

Edited October 6, 2016 by mishra

[BeautifulGame]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Justice-R-M-Lodha-Committee's-recommendations

 

There are pros and cons. But looks like Suprem Court judges trying to control BCCI. They are now NOT cleansing BCCI. Instead cache of BCCI Money seem to have corrupted them retired judges and nearing retirement judges

Again which of the recommendations are bad for cricket ?

If judges are corrupt it's up to the Parliament to cleanse the corrupt practices .

Doesn't mean anything SC doing is corrupt unless u are pointing links to any specific links SC is biased against BCCI. It's just bashing SC just because it doesn't suit ones agenda .These two issues have no correlation.

SC is the highest judicial authority of the country and its the obligation of the BCCI to obey.

Karnataka govt(an elected govt despite political pressures ) has obeyed it's verdict in the Cauvery issue yet *ing BCCI won't obey the law of the land ?

P.S

That link is not working

[TheWall]

this fight between the two is hurting the indian cricket....

[sandeep]

15 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

Again which of the recommendations are bad for cricket ?

 

If judges are corrupt it's up to the Parliament to cleanse the corrupt practices .

 

Doesn't mean anything SC doing is corrupt unless u are pointing links to any specific links SC is biased against BCCI. It's just bashing SC just because it doesn't suit ones agenda .These two issues have no correlation.

 

SC is the highest judicial authority of the country and its the obligation of the BCCI to obey.

 

Karnataka govt(an elected govt despite political pressures ) has obeyed it's verdict in the Cauvery issue yet *ing BCCI won't obey the law of the land ?

P.S

That link is not working

Lodha Committee has issued blanket orders which are not necessarily the best for Cricket Administration.  "Cooling off" periods are only a good idea on paper, in reality if implemented, it will only serve as another rule to be broken.  Their foolish requirements banning ads with cricket telecasts is another example.  Yeah the BCCI has got issues, but not everything Lodha says is a silver bullet.  

 

The biggest issue I see is the requirement to disband existing organizations in the name of "one state, one vote".  Historic cricket associations like Mumbai, Baroda etc can't just be trashed into history - not at all in the interest of Indian Cricket.  Another example is the 3 selector policy, why 3 and not 5? 

 

Now BCCI only has itself to blame because it played the wrong hand against the court, but Lodha recommendations are messy too.  Like someone else posted, nothing good will come out of this at this point.  

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Again which of the recommendations are bad for cricket ?

If judges are corrupt it's up to the Parliament to cleanse the corrupt practices .

Doesn't mean anything SC doing is corrupt unless u are pointing links to any specific links SC is biased against BCCI. It's just bashing SC just because it doesn't suit ones agenda .These two issues have no correlation.

SC is the highest judicial authority of the country and its the obligation of the BCCI to obey.

Karnataka govt(an elected govt despite political pressures ) has obeyed it's verdict in the Cauvery issue yet *ing BCCI won't obey the law of the land ?

P.S

That link is not working

The parliament passed an act NJAC act to stop corruption in judiciary.Guess what?The SC struck it down.

The SC cannot force its recommendations on BCCI.The BCCI is registered under TN societies act as long as it obeys the rules of that act its within the law.But SC by forcing these recommendations which are not part of TN societies act is amending that law or passing a new one.The SC is not authorised to pass or amend any act it can only judhe whether someone is following the act or not.

This is Judicial overreach.

[sandeep]

Good write-up from Dileep on this - http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/let-cricket-be-its-other-sports-that-need-cleaning-up/224503

[BeautifulGame]

Lodha Committee has issued blanket orders which are not necessarily the best for Cricket Administration.  "Cooling off" periods are only a good idea on paper, in reality if implemented, it will only serve as another rule to be broken.  Their foolish requirements banning ads with cricket telecasts is another example.  Yeah the BCCI has got issues, but not everything Lodha says is a silver bullet.  

 

The biggest issue I see is the requirement to disband existing organizations in the name of "one state, one vote".  Historic cricket associations like Mumbai, Baroda etc can't just be trashed into history - not at all in the interest of Indian Cricket.  Another example is the 3 selector policy, why 3 and not 5? 

 

Now BCCI only has itself to blame because it played the wrong hand against the court, but Lodha recommendations are messy too.  Like someone else posted, nothing good will come out of this at this point.  

One the adv suggestion was scrapped by BCCI

The one rule one state is absolutely essential.The current practices has meant states like Bihar recieved less funding than Goa.The three states of Maharashtra Gujarat and Goa has more votes than entire Eastern Indian or Southern India.How will that result in fair funding ? How many world cup matches have been played in UP or Bihar compared with Gujarat ? You think all these are just coincidence?

No wonder a state like Maharashtra has multiple stadiums yet UP and Bihar which has 20℅ population of India combined has one decent stadium which gets a international match every decade .

Will the new suggestion bring absolute parity ? No unless we get votes based on population.But as we seen with FIFA this one state one vote will be much better than current status quo.

Why the f.eck should history matter in voting rights .No one is scrapping the Ranji teams .This is about fair representation of states not Ranji teams.So much history that Bihar doesn't even have Ranji team even ffs.

Yeah the selectors rule is wired I agree but they also recommend International caps as criteria and scrapping of Zonal reps .Both are good suggestions.

[BeautifulGame]

The parliament passed an act NJAC act to stop corruption in judiciary.Guess what?The SC struck it down.

The SC cannot force its recommendations on BCCI.The BCCI is registered under TN societies act as long as it obeys the rules of that act its within the law.But SC by forcing these recommendations which are not part of TN societies act is amending that law or passing a new one.The SC is not authorised to pass or amend any act it can only judhe whether someone is following the act or not.

This is Judicial overreach.

Supreme Court is fully empowered to amend laws it's in our Constitution

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

One the adv suggestion was scrapped by BCCI

The one rule one state is absolutely essential.The current practices has meant states like Bihar recieved less funding than Goa.The three states of Maharashtra Gujarat and Goa has more votes than entire Eastern Indian or Southern India.How will that result in fair funding ? How many world cup matches have been played in UP or Bihar compared with Gujarat ? You think all these are just coincidence?

No wonder a state like Maharashtra has multiple stadiums yet UP and Bihar which has 20℅ population of India combined has one decent stadium which gets a international match every decade .

Will the new suggestion bring absolute parity ? No unless we get votes based on population.But as we seen with FIFA this one state one vote will be much better than current status quo.

Why the f.eck should history matter in voting rights .No one is scrapping the Ranji teams .This is about fair representation of states not Ranji teams.So much history that Bihar doesn't even have Ranji team even ffs.

Yeah the selectors rule is wired I agree but they also recommend International caps as criteria and scrapping of Zonal reps .Both are good suggestions.

Don't use population as a justification for stadium.  How many IT companies in UP and Bihar vs Bangalore or Bombay/Pune?  There are more stadiums in Maharashtra because Bombay/Pune metro area has been urbanized for decades and had the cricket structure to support the stadium.  And you don't need to disband historic cricket associations in order to fix funding.  This is a classic example of Lodha mis-steps.  They are not far off in diagnosing the issues, but they come up with fiat solutions that don't necessary address the problem and create new issues on top.  

[kruiser]

the very fact that all BCCI heads have been accomplished politicians, clearly indicates that it is not a transparently run body. 

 

However. the lodha panel recommendations are the views of just 2-3 people. SC can decide on matters of nepotism, corruption and malpractices in selection, but it cannot dictate how many officials should be there and when should they retire. Infact, if you make another SC bench and ask them for recommendations, they will most likely give different answers. 

India is a democratic country with free judiciary. No decisions can be summarily forced down an organization without a right to appeal. 

 

Finally, the word "recommendations" should mean just that - and not be binding. I just hope BCCI does not become another SAI or FIH. 

 

 

[BeautifulGame]

Don't use population as a justification for stadium.  How many IT companies in UP and Bihar vs Bangalore or Bombay/Pune?  There are more stadiums in Maharashtra because Bombay/Pune metro area has been urbanized for decades and had the cricket structure to support the stadium.  And you don't need to disband historic cricket associations in order to fix funding.  This is a classic example of Lodha mis-steps.  They are not far off in diagnosing the issues, but they come up with fiat solutions that don't necessary address the problem and create new issues on top.  

Of course it's basically based on the votes and influence .

Really based on Urbanisation? Then how many international stadiums the most urbanised state in India Tamil Nadu has ?

It's directly related to the funding the status are related .Because u need funds to build and maintain stadiums and more importantly influence in BCCI to allocate international matches particularly before IPL came .And influence is bought by the votes u have . Naturally BCCI is always biased towards them two because they alone six votes and minor influence .

Population should be the absolute criteria for funding .No other nonsense like history or success .The BCCI primary job is to develop the infrastructure of cricket in the country and develop cricketers for national team .Not the success of the Ranji teams .

[mishra]

I know most dont agree but Manipur, Mizoram,Tripura,Nagaland,Sikkim,Aruanchal, Goa are also states. Problesm is not a single one has got a proper ground, forget about player

[BeautifulGame]

Just answer me this .

Why should the Gujarat have three teams when Bihar can't even have one .The state which nearly has 10℅ of Indian population can't have a single team yet Gujarat can have 3 ?

How does that help Indian cricket ?

Is the job of BCCI spreading and improving cricket infrastructure in India or maintaining the status quo of the British rule period ?

[Shamim.Miah]

So reading the post by members- are you guys saying SC is corupt, BCCI is corupt? So how can a corupt fix another corupt. I am reading what you guys are writing and it seems like there are question marks on supreme court also! What is corupt free than?