diga Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 SP splits ... Akhilesh fighting his own father/uncle. Will the president impose central rule before the elections.? Is this engineered for publicity? Is Amar Singh the catalyst? So many questions... tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 SP official split will help BJP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Some people are saying that the drama is to help curtail anti-incumbency against Akhilesh Yadav and rally support for the coming election. Congress is crap in UP and Mayawati is in trouble right now, but the BJP buffoons are not going to declare a CM face, so 'm not sure they will be able to take advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Tibarn said: Some people are saying that the drama is to help curtail anti-incumbency against Akhilesh Yadav and rally support for the coming election. But won't that split the Yadav votes? Or are you saying that that's the intention, with an eventual post-poll unification between the two factions. BSP have been actively trying to woo Muslims to create a Dalit-Muslim combined vote bank against the BJP and I believe it will anchor the oppn. Congress, with Dixit as the main face, are trying to woo the UC vote. I believe this is the formula. 3 hours ago, Tibarn said: Congress is crap in UP and Mayawati is in trouble right now, but the BJP buffoons are not going to declare a CM face, so 'm not sure they will be able to take advantage. Who do you think the BJP should project as UP CM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said: But won't that split the Yadav votes? Or are you saying that that's the intention, with an eventual post-poll unification between the two factions. Some people say that Mulayam is confident that the Yadavs will stay loyal to him. I am not so sure this is just a drama. They are using some harsh language. 1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said: BSP have been actively trying to woo Muslims to create a Dalit-Muslim combined vote bank against the BJP and I believe it will anchor the oppn. Congress, with Dixit as the main face, are trying to woo the UC vote. I believe this is the formula. Mayawati is apparently starting rallies with Koran recitations to woo the Muslim vote. 1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said: Who do you think the BJP should project as UP CM? I personally would prefer Dinesh Sharma, mayor of Lucknow. He is a very professional character from what I have seen. I think he can turn the UP unit into a better organized state. I don't really trust Rajnath or Smriti to be a proper CM for UP. Varun should be thrown out of the party along with his mother IMO. Yogi can win the election, but I don't think he is CM material either, he is probably only good for speeches. Who do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tibarn said: Mayawati is apparently starting rallies with Koran recitations to woo the Muslim vote. Not a word from our seculars on this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 apparently mulayam said "aapka mukhya mantri jhoot bolts hain". the split should be coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Crazy rumor is that Akhilesh will join BJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 19 hours ago, Tibarn said: I personally would prefer Dinesh Sharma, mayor of Lucknow. He is a very professional character from what I have seen. I think he can turn the UP unit into a better organized state. I don't really trust Rajnath or Smriti to be a proper CM for UP. Varun should be thrown out of the party along with his mother IMO. Yogi can win the election, but I don't think he is CM material either, he is probably only good for speeches. Who do you think? Tough question. If BJP could project him as a mass leader, then Dinesh Sharma would be the right choice. Saying that, Yogi Adityanath can definitely win the election. Popuar candidate in Eastern UP with a proven electoral track record. Problem is that I don't think that he'll finish be able to finish his term. Western UP will turn into a tava fry. Smriti is a left-field candidate. She is better off in the UP Cabinet if BJP wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: Tough question. If BJP could project him as a mass leader, then Dinesh Sharma would be the right choice. Saying that, Yogi Adityanath can definitely win the election. Popuar candidate in Eastern UP with a proven electoral track record. Problem is that I don't think that he'll finish be able to finish his term. Western UP will turn into a tava fry. Smriti is a left-field candidate. She is better off in the UP Cabinet if BJP wins. Sharma seems to be rising fast in the BJP, and he was even involved in selecting the new Gujarat CM. He apparently has a good rapport with Amit Shah, so that could help coordination for the 2019 UP Lok Sabha elections. The state unit in UP is pretty poorly organized, so someone like Sharma could hopefully bring organization and professionalism to the unit. They can't rely on a Modi wave and RSS hyper-enthusiasm There is apparently a lot of enthusiasm for the BJP for this election, so there is a chance that projecting someone like Sharma could work, even though he isn't a mass leader. He can then establish himself there like a Shivraj. However, the main goal should be to win in my opinion. Therefore an OBC like Maurya or a firebrand like Yogi is definitely an option. A proper BJP government in UP could be transformative for both the state and India. The east needs Vikas, Vikas, Vikas more than any region. It's really a shame that the goons won Bihar. Update What a circus Edited October 25, 2016 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 22 hours ago, Tibarn said: Sharma seems to be rising fast in the BJP, and he was even involved in selecting the new Gujarat CM. He apparently has a good rapport with Amit Shah, so that could help coordination for the 2019 UP Lok Sabha elections. The state unit in UP is pretty poorly organized, so someone like Sharma could hopefully bring organization and professionalism to the unit. They can't rely on a Modi wave and RSS hyper-enthusiasm Sharma is also the BJP VP. So yea, he might be able to mobilize them successfully. 22 hours ago, Tibarn said: There is apparently a lot of enthusiasm for the BJP for this election, so there is a chance that projecting someone like Sharma could work, even though he isn't a mass leader. He can then establish himself there like a Shivraj. However, the main goal should be to win in my opinion. Therefore an OBC like Maurya or a firebrand like Yogi is definitely an option. A proper BJP government in UP could be transformative for both the state and India. The east needs Vikas, Vikas, Vikas more than any region. It's really a shame that the goons won Bihar. I think it is a strategy based decision. If they want someone like a Fadnavis in UP, then Sharma is the guy. Shah seems to be betting on him. Maurya might be able to mobilize the state unit better than Sharma being the party head, but he has cases against him. Yogi will win votes by uniting Hindus but beyond that, I'm not sure. I have no idea what BJP's strategy is. With regards to Bihar, caste arithmetic was always against BJP. Yadav + Kurmi + Muslim votes, that right there is about 40%. Needed a special performance from NDA, didn't happen. 22 hours ago, Tibarn said: Update What a circus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: With regards to Bihar, caste arithmetic was always against BJP. Yadav + Kurmi + Muslim votes, that right there is about 40%. Needed a special performance from NDA, didn't happen. Yes, the caste equations were difficult, but it seemed to be an enthusiasm gap. It appears that, according to one psephologist I follow, the percentage breakdown of group favored BJP, but the turnout of said groups were at a lower rate than for the other group. I think that reservation hysteria regarding Bhagwat's comments probably spooked their OBC/SC supporters. I changed my mind. Jaitley should be CM of UP, at least that way we can get a different FM. Edited October 26, 2016 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) I remember last election. SP came to power on grounds that Akhilesh can be dynamic, young, educated guy who may change UP's fate. Initially it was decent too with occasional "Rangdari" and "political murders" . Azam Khan had done a commendable job for Mahakumbh and its arrangement in Allahabad . But that's long back now and has faded from people memory. Now, everything people remember is UP is back to Mulayam's Gundaraaj and demonic corruption. I will be a miracle to see SP back to power. Edited October 27, 2016 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) On 10/25/2016 at 4:41 PM, Tibarn said: Yes, the caste equations were difficult, but it seemed to be an enthusiasm gap. It appears that, according to one psephologist I follow, the percentage breakdown of group favored BJP, but the turnout of said groups were at a lower rate than for the other group. I think that reservation hysteria regarding Bhagwat's comments probably spooked their OBC/SC supporters. I think BJP needed minimum 70% turnout from its groups, which didn't happen. By all accounts, it was a multitude of factors that cost them Bihar. Their allies failed as well. On 10/25/2016 at 4:41 PM, Tibarn said: I changed my mind. Jaitley should be CM of UP, at least that way we can get a different FM. Bhai, he couldn't even win an election during a BJP wave Jaitley will eventually be sidelined. NaMo is repaying a few past debts by keeping him. Edited October 27, 2016 by jalebi_bhai Tibarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 16 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: I think BJP needed minimum 70% turnout from its groups, which didn't happen. By all accounts, it was a multitude of factors that cost them Bihar. Their allies failed as well. Bhai, he couldn't even win an election during a BJP wave Jaitley will eventually be sidelined. NaMo is repaying a few past debts by keeping him. Yes, hopefully he is sidelined, but NaMo is wasting so much time. Why couldn't he make this guy Foreign Minister and have him out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 10/28/2016 at 3:42 AM, Tibarn said: Yes, hopefully he is sidelined, but NaMo is wasting so much time. Why couldn't he make this guy Foreign Minister and have him out of the country. Jaitley is quite entrenched in Lutyens Delhi. Modi probably uses him as a triple agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said: Jaitley is quite entrenched in Lutyens Delhi. Modi probably uses him as a triple agent. One anti corruption activist I follow on Twitter, who is sympathetic to both Modi and Swamy, so he wouldn't just make stuff up, said that Jaitley's son recently got in trouble for misbehaving with the police at a mall. Jaitley got his son released and the two police officers suspended. If true, it's absolutely disgusting. Edited October 29, 2016 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/29/2016 at 11:50 AM, Tibarn said: One anti corruption activist I follow on Twitter, who is sympathetic to both Modi and Swamy, so he wouldn't just make stuff up, said that Jaitley's son recently got in trouble for misbehaving with the police at a mall. Jaitley got his son released and the two police officers suspended. If true, it's absolutely disgusting. Wouldn't surprise me honestly. BTW, how do you think this new SIMI episode will affect UP elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 32 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said: Wouldn't surprise me honestly. BTW, how do you think this new SIMI episode will affect UP elections? Considering that the media is already creating a sob story about the killing of the terrorists, It may be a tool to get M votes in UP. They will have to have their media stooges to keep the story alive that long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) On 10/31/2016 at 9:47 AM, Tibarn said: Considering that the media is already creating a sob story about the killing of the terrorists, It may be a tool to get M votes in UP. They will have to have their media stooges to keep the story alive that long... Not sure if SP will capitalize tbh. The murdered constable was a Yadav. Their spokesperson was barking about how poor the prison facilities were. BMW, Khangress and other associated Jholachaapis have already started their 'Hai Tauba' like the presstitutes. Edited November 2, 2016 by jalebi_bhai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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