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Ankit_sharma03 Grand Master

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Brilliant Decision :bow:

 

Lets me start with the fact that next yr year end our overseas tour begins and we need Pandya Prerp by then. Also He needs more international exp before CT2017 and there is hardly any more Odi's left. International Exp anyday above domestic. Domestic is a slow process and we need Pandya to be on next level soon. 

 

Come overseas tour we need the all rounder, the 5th bowler

 

I think its a brilliant call by selectors, coach, captain and dravid. M sure dravid had a lot of input in this and Kumble, dravid, kohli are really intelligent people so they would know what they are doing. Playing test cricket can only imrpove u as a cricketer. As far as comparing him with yuvi n raina well thats now right. They were not all rounder, an all rounder contributes in every dept so his job isnt over after batting. 

 

How playing in test would improve his game

 

Batting- In Odi he ll mostly come in situation were he would be left with 30 balls or with tail enders and lot of overs. Here he would get time to get in and play a lot more balls to build his innings. He ll also learn how to survive tough phases which is the beauty of test cricket. He ll get a chance to bat with kohli, rahane, more often and he can learn a lot from them about batting. A small example - i was watching ashwin interview and he told how virat helped him convert his 40s to big score while batting in WI with him. Before Overseas tour it would be great if he could get some good score under his belt . Even for Odi cricket where at his position he wont get to many chances to have a good score. I dnt see him learning quickly if he faces trundlers in domestic. Also i have a feeling he could really smash moeen ali

 

Bowling- The more he balls the better his control becomes. Bowling in test will also make him learn how to bowl up which can be very handy in eng. If he plays all the test he could end up bowling around 100 overs which would be a great exp for him instead of bowling around only 30 overs in ODi. He also has pace for reverse swing and he can pick a few things from Shami. His bowling also gives team the flexibilty to play Another spinner which can be a night mare of opposition. I would really want Pandya to play few test rather having a debut in overseas. 

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11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Brilliant Decision :bow:

 

Lets me start with the fact that next yr year end our overseas tour begins and we need Pandya Prerp by then. Also He needs more international exp before CT2017 and there is hardly any more Odi's left. International Exp anyday above domestic. Domestic is a slow process and we need Pandya to be on next level soon. 

 

Come overseas tour we need the all rounder, the 5th bowler

 

I think its a brilliant call by selectors, coach, captain and dravid. M sure dravid had a lot of input in this and Kumble, dravid, kohli are really intelligent people so they would know what they are doing. Playing test cricket can only imrpove u as a cricketer. As far as comparing him with yuvi n raina well thats now right. They were not all rounder, an all rounder contributes in every dept so his job isnt over after batting. 

 

How playing in test would improve his game

 

Batting- In Odi he ll mostly come in situation were he would be left with 30 balls or with tail enders and lot of overs. Here he would get time to get in and play a lot more balls to build his innings. He ll also learn how to survive tough phases which is the beauty of test cricket. He ll get a chance to bat with kohli, rahane, more often and he can learn a lot from them about batting. A small example - i was watching ashwin interview and he told how virat helped him convert his 40s to big score while batting in WI with him. Before Overseas tour it would be great if he could get some good score under his belt . Even for Odi cricket where at his position he wont get to many chances to have a good score. I dnt see him learning quickly if he faces trundlers in domestic. Also i have a feeling he could really smash moeen ali

 

Bowling- The more he balls the better his control becomes. Bowling in test will also make him learn how to bowl up which can be very handy in eng. If he plays all the test he could end up bowling around 100 overs which would be a great exp for him instead of bowling around only 30 overs in ODi. He also has pace for reverse swing and he can pick a few things from Shami. His bowling also gives team the flexibilty to play Another spinner which can be a night mare of opposition. I would really want Pandya to play few test rather having a debut in overseas. 

 

This.

 

Different teams have to take different kinds of punts and risks based on their strengths and weaknesses. For example teams like SA and NZ have to take more risks blooding young spinners compared to teams like Ind-Pak-SL where domestic spinners are more ready to play test cricket. NZ picked Ish Sodhi when his FC average was above 50 !! India doesn't have to take major punts with their new batting selections in tests because traditionally India has been producing good solid conventional batsmen over a long period.

 

What India does need to take gamble is on pace bowling all rounder. Why? Because that would make the team to be more competitive (theoretically at least) in the tests abroad. And India doesn't seem to be producing many such players organically through the domestic structure. So you have to take certain risks on certain players when you see some chance or possibility that a particular player will fill an important gap in the team. The FC numbers or domestic experience will not be the deciding factor in such cases, whereas for batsmen or spinners it would be, simply because India doesn't have major gaps in batting or spinning departments and hence less 'desperate'.

 

Also, Hardik Pandya or anybody with similar profile (can bowl pace, can bat) should be expected to add value to both bowling and batting units of the team to start with, and not necessarily be a true blue all rounder who would command his place in the team either as a batsman or a bowler alone. IMO, Pandya has the potential to add value to our late middle order batting (along with Ash, Saha, Jaddu, Bhuvi in different conditions) and to our bowling (as the fourth seamer in away tests definitely, and may be as 3rd seamer in home tests as well).

 

Pandya may eventually fail to become a decent all rounder for us, but it's worth taking a punt on him now.

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12 hours ago, tweaker said:

He can be groomed further under Kumble ,if he learns fast he can be a real all rounder we needs.

He already shown that he can learn fast....

Look at him 2 to 3 months back and now...... there is huge difference with his bowling....

 

Moreover its the team requirement more than his talent (or readiness) which earned him the spot...

 

Looks like he puts lots of hard work which has impressed one and all ( Dravid, Kumble & kohli)

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Young  bowlers  seem to be developing faster under the guidance of Kumble and Dravid.

 

So, Pandya the bowler, will surely benefit, especially if he gets to play actual matches.

 

The same reason why Nathu Singh should be included  in the LOI teams and Kuldeep maybe selected for the test series vs Australia.

 

These are are the 3 best bowling talents we have.

 

But, it is important that  Pandya is released for  FC  if he is not in the actual playing 11....so that he gets the much needed  match practice.

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Returning from the India A tour of Australia in September, Hardik Pandya told his brother and Mumbai Indians team-mate Krunal something simple yet significant. "I actually have learned cricket on this tour," Krunal recounts his younger sibling as saying.

 

Pandya remembers it well. The India A tour helped bring his career back into stride after a disappointing IPL. "I remember that clearly," Pandya tells ESPNcricinfo on Wednesday, hours after his maiden call-up to the India Test squad. "Not just Krunal, I said the same to many players on that A tour."

So what exactly did Pandya learn that he did not know already? "The main change was learning how to be disciplined playing cricket," he says. "And playing Test cricket would be the most disciplined thing I will be doing."

 

Prior to the India A tour, Pandya says he played every tournament riding on his talent. However, during the 55-day long tour of Australia in the company of India A coach Rahul Dravid, Pandya began to understand what makes a long-form player.

 

Dravid narrated a lot of things during the Australia trip, but Pandya cannot forget one point the former India captain made. "We were talking about what is a natural game," Pandya says. "He [Dravid] said that there is no such thing called a natural game. It is just that in cricket you play according to the situation, and you win the games."

 

Soon Pandya found himself in the middle of one such tight situation. It came during the first innings of the second unofficial Test against Australia A at the Allan Border field in Brisbane. Put in to bat, India A were struggling at 46 for 6. Pandya was the last specialist batsman. He ended being the last man out, in the first over of the second morning, having made 79. The match ended in a draw

 

"Lately I have been more disciplined," Pandya says. "I wanted to perform in every game, but had not done much till then. In that match I told myself I can be the standout player, this is the last game of the tour, and I should do something really amazing. They came really hard, but I also responded hard and it worked."

Pandya says the biggest takeaway from the India A tour is that he now understands the nuances of the game a little bit better. Krunal agrees. "In his bowling he is now more clear with his thought process. Now his mind is quite clear what to do, when to do. If you think two things at the same time then you cannot execute your plan. He told me now he is very clear with his though process about what he has to do next in a situation."


On October 11, Pandya celebrated his 23rd birthday. Five days later he made his ODI debut in Dharamsala, in the first ODI of the series against New Zealand. Kapil Dev, India's greatest allrounder, presented Pandya his ODI cap. During the handover Kapil shared a tiny nugget of information: he had made his Test debut in 1978 on the same day, October 16. "The feeling, that moment, I will cherish that all my life. I will never forget that I got my cap from Kapil Dev."

Pandya says the Test call-up is the biggest moment of his cricketing life. "Honestly, being called for the Tests is more pleasing and happier moment," Pandya says. "I have been in the scheme of things as far as ODIs are concerned for a while, but to get a call for Test cricket is the main thing. It tests your temperament, fitness, work ethics, mental strength."

 

Pandya's cricketing ride so far has been akin to being on a rollercoaster. He started on a high in his maiden international series, against Australia in the T20Is earlier this year. He showed courage and presence of mind during a last-over, one-run victory against Bangladesh in the World Twenty20 before sliding swiftly during the IPL where Mumbai Indians preferred Krunal over him.

 

Pandya was then ignored for the limited-over series in Zimbabwe before being recalled for the fortunes-turning India A tour of Australia. He says he let external forces affect him in that low period. "It was very difficult during the IPL," he says. "I was focusing on what people were saying about me. They were saying he is not focusing on his cricket. Until then I never used to worry about what outsiders said. But after making a name I was not used to people talking so much about me. Eventually it harmed me slightly. I was not focusing on things I should have focused on. Then I learned that if you are successful, people will say things and if you get affected it will not help. So I learned I had to be slightly low-profile and mellowed down."

 

The Pandya that came back was better equipped to handle tight situations. "I am more consistent as a bowler than what I was previously," he says. "I was slightly wayward in Twenty20. But everything was new for me in that phase. Now I know I should and should not do."

Pandya backs the talk with an example, his first over in ODI cricket. "After four balls I had gone for 12 runs," he said with a chuckle. "For a second I thought of my T20I debut over where I had gone for 19 runs. But I backed myself. The fours that went were mostly outside edges. Then I got a wicket off the last ball."

That wicket was of Martin Guptill, who had hit those three fours with a tentative bat, before eventually edging to the second slip. Pandya finished with three wickets and earned the Man-of-the-Match award on debut.

 

Not just bowling with the new ball, another evident change in his bowling is the speed. Pandya clocked speeds in the 140s consistently against New Zealand. "MS bhai [Dhoni] has been a big support, giving me the new ball," he says. "It has helped in my growth as a bowler." Dhoni told him that with his deceptive pace and with his ability to swing the ball, Pandya could easily grow into one of the three main fast bowlers for India in ODIs.

 

The pace, Pandya points out, has not come overnight. "As a fast bowler you don't go up in your pace in a month," he said. "I have maintained a proper diet, proper eating habits, proper sleeping habits, proper fitness. It is about being disciplined in line and length. Paras Mhambrey [the bowling coach] helped me with that during the India A tour."

 

The changes are not lost upon keen observers. MSK Prasad, chairman of India's selection committee, noted that Pandya had mellowed recently. Flamboyance, animated celebrations on the field accentuated by an extroverted personality, Prasad said, was what people associated Pandya with. That maverick element is still there, but he is much more composed in his attitude and more focused on the job at hand.

"You can make out by his celebrations in the last three to four months," Krunal says. "It is just the beginning. He is aiming to play consistently for India and do well. It is just a small step, but a very important one."

 

Pandya's selection might be seen as a left-field choice considering his lack of first-class cricket since he started playing domestic cricket for Baroda in 2013. Pandya has played only 16 first-class matches, but reckons that cannot be seen as a limitation. "I am quite confident that I will be able to play good Test cricket," Pandya says. "I know what capability I have. Eventually in life you learn things by doing. So I am not thinking whether I will play [against England] or not. I know I will learn something from this series."

 

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Pandya said that he was really happy about the prospect of playing in the traditional format of the game. "It's such an exciting feeling," he said. "I'm naturally inclined towards taking things head on," he was quoted as saying by Times of India.The right-hander went on to say that he likes playing aggressive cricket no matter which format he was playing in. He claimed that being aggressive on the field helps him to perform better. "I respect the spirit of the game and believe that it should be played in the right manner. Having said that, aggression is also something that comes naturally to me," Pandya said.

 

The 23-year-old stated that he wasn't worried about the questions being raised over his Test selection and was looking forward to making a mark in the upcoming Test series. He also said that he was ready to fit into any role based on the team's requirement.

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Can see the intentions,but Pandya isnt the answer

 

Will even prefer forgotten Irfan Pathan over him

He himself has forgotten what he was, he choose stardom of hardwork and the result is evident. No fitness and drop in skill levels. 

Pandya hardwork shud be rewarded over Irfan pathan Annual claims in newspaper that he ll return in team. Somebody ask him how- he is unfit most domestic seasons, he trundles at 120K, his fielding has gone down. 

 

Irfan pathan was touted as next kapil dev, wasim akram but he only ended up being a Sheikh Chilli 

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Very good and inspired selection, if they trust his talent he should be given chance.The bigest mistake they will be doing with him is putting lot of pressure on him. They need to let him develop as long he is doing a competent job as a second seamer in Indian conditions.He should bat at no 8 and if he shows talent he should go higher.

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8 hours ago, philcric said:

 

This.

 

Different teams have to take different kinds of punts and risks based on their strengths and weaknesses. For example teams like SA and NZ have to take more risks blooding young spinners compared to teams like Ind-Pak-SL where domestic spinners are more ready to play test cricket. NZ picked Ish Sodhi when his FC average was above 50 !! India doesn't have to take major punts with their new batting selections in tests because traditionally India has been producing good solid conventional batsmen over a long period.

 

What India does need to take gamble is on pace bowling all rounder. Why? Because that would make the team to be more competitive (theoretically at least) in the tests abroad. And India doesn't seem to be producing many such players organically through the domestic structure. So you have to take certain risks on certain players when you see some chance or possibility that a particular player will fill an important gap in the team. The FC numbers or domestic experience will not be the deciding factor in such cases, whereas for batsmen or spinners it would be, simply because India doesn't have major gaps in batting or spinning departments and hence less 'desperate'.

 

Also, Hardik Pandya or anybody with similar profile (can bowl pace, can bat) should be expected to add value to both bowling and batting units of the team to start with, and not necessarily be a true blue all rounder who would command his place in the team either as a batsman or a bowler alone. IMO, Pandya has the potential to add value to our late middle order batting (along with Ash, Saha, Jaddu, Bhuvi in different conditions) and to our bowling (as the fourth seamer in away tests definitely, and may be as 3rd seamer in home tests as well).

 

Pandya may eventually fail to become a decent all rounder for us, but it's worth taking a punt on him now.

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