Hardik Pandya : The test allrounder

[FischerTal]

hes more likely to succeed in tests, but i still feel he's being rushed onto the big stage. he should have been given more A-tours but i guess kohli and dhoni have seen something in him that excites them.

[maniac]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He himself has forgotten what he was, he choose stardom of hardwork and the result is evident. No fitness and drop in skill levels. 

Pandya hardwork shud be rewarded over Irfan pathan Annual claims in newspaper that he ll return in team. Somebody ask him how- he is unfit most domestic seasons, he trundles at 120K, his fielding has gone down. 

 

Irfan pathan was touted as next kapil dev, wasim akram but he only ended up being a Sheikh Chilli 

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests

He was getting consistent outswing in the first ODI, when conditions were moderately favourable for swing bowling.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

He was getting consistent outswing in the first ODI, when conditions were moderately favourable for swing bowling.

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

Edited November 3, 2016 by maniac

[Vilander]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

i expect gun barrel Pandya if he plays to be carted all around the park for easy pickings, since he has pace they will travel fast to the boundary at times as well.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

You were talking about swinging the new ball and not setting up batsmen.

 

Even Ishant and Umesh have not learnt how to set up batsmen, after so many years.

 

 

[sandeep]

Just now, Vilander said:

i expect gun barrel Pandya if he plays to be carted all around the park for easy pickings, since he has pace they will travel fast to the boundary at times as well.

If he does a holding job i.e. < 3 RPO, and bowls 10 overs for the innings while Ash, Mish and Jaddu do their thing, its adequate.  If he picks up a bonus wicket here and there, that's great.  He needs to be somewhere around Saha-like with the bat - that's sort of the expectations from him.  At the end of the day, he's selected for his bowling potential, but he's a batting allrounder when it comes down to it.  Think Angelo Mathews or Abdul Razzaq.  Don't expect him to be a front-line seamer in tests...

 

 

[philcric]

People want a ready made pace bowling all rounder  

 

No patience to experiment, same standards/expectations in an area where we are strong (spin bowling or even spin bowling all rounder) and in an area where we are abysmal (pace bowling all rounder). 

 

 

 

 

[sandeep]

Look at how Mitchell Marsh has been groomed over the last few seasons by Australia - doesn't always do that well, but they are giving him a long rope.  Top-class Pace bowling allrounders are a rare commodity everywhere,  because they have a greater than sum of its parts impact on the team composition, by creating space for another quality player in the team.  

 

Pandya may be nowhere near as good as Ishant or Umesh with the ball, but he will still make the bowling attack stronger by allowing us to play Mishra as the 3rd spinner on a home track.  But he still has to meet a certain standard with the bat - Saha is the right benchmark for him.  We were patient with Saha to come good with the bat, because he was quality with the gloves.  We can be patient with his bowling, as long as he does decent enough with the bat.  If he turns in Jadeja-like performances with the bat, that's not going to cut it however.  

[WeStMiDz]

 

Pros:

 

- Good pace

- Looks like he has the ability to swing the ball

- Terrific athlete and fielder

- Potential dominator of spin bowling

- Has the confidence and persona to do well at the international level

 

Cons:

 

- Strokeplay on the offside appears limited

- Bowls a lot of hit me deliveries

 

Areas we need to find out:

 

- Does he have the conditioning to bowl consistently throughout the day at good pace?

- Can he obtain reverse swing?

- Batting wise, does he have the shots and technique against quick bowling?

- Can he play long innings'?

 

To me, if you list the pros and cons of the next best seam bowling all rounders, you'll find Pandya has greater qualities and therefore is well worth the investment to find out the answers to the above questions.

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Edited November 3, 2016 by WeStMiDz

[fineleg]

Rohit Sharma is a low bar in Tests. ANYONE (be it Karun Nair or Hardik Pandya or Jayant Yadav) can be an equal or potentially better replacement for Rohit Sharma (in Tests).

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

He was moving the ball in 1st game. rather the swing he gets the movement of the deck. 

If he plays as second seamer in subcontinet he ll mostly fill up the overs its going to be spinners show

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

Setting up a batsman is something u learn with time, he has just started we have to keep a lot of patience with him. Or else go back to binny or rishi . 

Initially his job would be to bowl those 15 overs to give main bowlers rest and the length and pace at which he bowls his bowling would be really handy in Aus, Nz, Sa

[Ankit_sharma03]

I hope more than his bowling, his batting comes good this series and get few innings under his belt. 

We wont be able to play with as an all rounder at 6 if his batting doesnt improve. 

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

Why he should he play back to wall innings, has Rohit Sharma played any innings of such quality even though he is playing purely as batsman nothing against Rohit but he got so many chances and he is still so inconsistent.

 

I am fine with his selection as long as he is doing the job of second seamer in India and is showing improvement, .His batting will be plus why are we heaping pressure on the youngster that he needs to do this or he is useless.

Second seamer picks up odd wicket here and there and as a bonus he provides some pop with bat what else you need from him. 

Edited November 3, 2016 by putrevus

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, philcric said:

People want a ready made pace bowling all rounder  

 

No patience to experiment, same standards/expectations in an area where we are strong (spin bowling or even spin bowling all rounder) and in an area where we are abysmal (pace bowling all rounder). 

 

 

From the point of view of the team, I don't think it is an experiment even.  We don't have a good 6th batsman in test cricket, don't think he will do much worse than the current 6th batter in test matches and , as we are currently playing with only 4 bowlers, his bowling will be  something additional and can be ignored if he is not doing well on a particular day.

 

Pandya has clearly been included  in the test team with a long term view, by Kohli / Kumble.  to develop the much needed pacer-allrounder that we desperately require on seamer-friendly tracks encountered primarily outside Asia, but sometimes here as well,  like the Eden gardens pitch in the last series.

 

I don't think the team has much to lose by including him....the only fear remains is whether his own development as a test player will be hampered by introducing him at a stage when his batting is not sufficiently developed.  We don't know whether his ability to leave deliveries outside the off-stump and defend deliveries is at an acceptable stage. His bowling has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 3 months and  I don't think he will suffer on that front.  He has developed the much needed stock ball at pace and that goes a long way in countering international pressure.

 

There are atleast 2 solutions to counter this issue....give him time to develop rather than judging him from match one  and release him to play FC  if he is not in the actual playing 11.

Edited November 3, 2016 by express bowling

[tweaker]

He has been selected especially after his performance in A tour in Australia. He had a good bowling performance on that tour,bowling along with regular bowlers Aaron ,Shardul ,Dhawal & Unadkat.

Manjrekar was surprised by the sudden devlopment in.Pandya ' bowling & he said he looked far better bowler than Dhawal Kulkarni.

 

His 79 runs in the 2nd 4 day match when India A regular batsman .ie  Nair,Herwadkar,Fazal,Pandey ,Ojha were not able to handle Australia A bowlers was the key which would have impressed Dravid.He also a good outing against Steyn & co in a tour game in.India.

 

The most important thing for him is he has impressed Dhoni,Kohli ,Dravid,Kumble & they will back him .

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

How is he supposed to show anything without playing?

[gakgupta]

14 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

He played only one day matches....It's next to impossible to reverse swing in one day matches.....

so, we dont know, if he has the ability to reverse swing....But with his action, it is possible to reverse swing

[putrevus]

Even if he does not know how to reverse swing, as long he has pace and inclination to learn, there are enough people there to teach him that skill. He was swinging the new ball with some pace in odis when ball was swinging. Wasim Akram by his admission never had any other skill except  except pace and his natural angle as left arm bowler. He later developed all other skills.

[jf1gp_1]

this guy barely makes it ODI team not sure why he is picked for test. He is best suited for t20 lets keep him there; lets not confuse him by bringing him into test cricket. He is bang-bang dont teach him block-block. 

 

Lets be perfectly honest, people like him cause he can slog and bowl at 140. Reality is he can only wack domestic spinners and his quicker deliveries like most of his deliveries are directionless.

 

I see Irfan pathan all over again.