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Brilliant Decision :bow:

 

Lets me start with the fact that next yr year end our overseas tour begins and we need Pandya Prerp by then. Also He needs more international exp before CT2017 and there is hardly any more Odi's left. International Exp anyday above domestic. Domestic is a slow process and we need Pandya to be on next level soon. 

 

Come overseas tour we need the all rounder, the 5th bowler

 

I think its a brilliant call by selectors, coach, captain and dravid. M sure dravid had a lot of input in this and Kumble, dravid, kohli are really intelligent people so they would know what they are doing. Playing test cricket can only imrpove u as a cricketer. As far as comparing him with yuvi n raina well thats now right. They were not all rounder, an all rounder contributes in every dept so his job isnt over after batting. 

 

How playing in test would improve his game

 

Batting- In Odi he ll mostly come in situation were he would be left with 30 balls or with tail enders and lot of overs. Here he would get time to get in and play a lot more balls to build his innings. He ll also learn how to survive tough phases which is the beauty of test cricket. He ll get a chance to bat with kohli, rahane, more often and he can learn a lot from them about batting. A small example - i was watching ashwin interview and he told how virat helped him convert his 40s to big score while batting in WI with him. Before Overseas tour it would be great if he could get some good score under his belt . Even for Odi cricket where at his position he wont get to many chances to have a good score. I dnt see him learning quickly if he faces trundlers in domestic. Also i have a feeling he could really smash moeen ali

 

Bowling- The more he balls the better his control becomes. Bowling in test will also make him learn how to bowl up which can be very handy in eng. If he plays all the test he could end up bowling around 100 overs which would be a great exp for him instead of bowling around only 30 overs in ODi. He also has pace for reverse swing and he can pick a few things from Shami. His bowling also gives team the flexibilty to play Another spinner which can be a night mare of opposition. I would really want Pandya to play few test rather having a debut in overseas. 

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11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Brilliant Decision :bow:

 

Lets me start with the fact that next yr year end our overseas tour begins and we need Pandya Prerp by then. Also He needs more international exp before CT2017 and there is hardly any more Odi's left. International Exp anyday above domestic. Domestic is a slow process and we need Pandya to be on next level soon. 

 

Come overseas tour we need the all rounder, the 5th bowler

 

I think its a brilliant call by selectors, coach, captain and dravid. M sure dravid had a lot of input in this and Kumble, dravid, kohli are really intelligent people so they would know what they are doing. Playing test cricket can only imrpove u as a cricketer. As far as comparing him with yuvi n raina well thats now right. They were not all rounder, an all rounder contributes in every dept so his job isnt over after batting. 

 

How playing in test would improve his game

 

Batting- In Odi he ll mostly come in situation were he would be left with 30 balls or with tail enders and lot of overs. Here he would get time to get in and play a lot more balls to build his innings. He ll also learn how to survive tough phases which is the beauty of test cricket. He ll get a chance to bat with kohli, rahane, more often and he can learn a lot from them about batting. A small example - i was watching ashwin interview and he told how virat helped him convert his 40s to big score while batting in WI with him. Before Overseas tour it would be great if he could get some good score under his belt . Even for Odi cricket where at his position he wont get to many chances to have a good score. I dnt see him learning quickly if he faces trundlers in domestic. Also i have a feeling he could really smash moeen ali

 

Bowling- The more he balls the better his control becomes. Bowling in test will also make him learn how to bowl up which can be very handy in eng. If he plays all the test he could end up bowling around 100 overs which would be a great exp for him instead of bowling around only 30 overs in ODi. He also has pace for reverse swing and he can pick a few things from Shami. His bowling also gives team the flexibilty to play Another spinner which can be a night mare of opposition. I would really want Pandya to play few test rather having a debut in overseas. 

 

This.

 

Different teams have to take different kinds of punts and risks based on their strengths and weaknesses. For example teams like SA and NZ have to take more risks blooding young spinners compared to teams like Ind-Pak-SL where domestic spinners are more ready to play test cricket. NZ picked Ish Sodhi when his FC average was above 50 !! India doesn't have to take major punts with their new batting selections in tests because traditionally India has been producing good solid conventional batsmen over a long period.

 

What India does need to take gamble is on pace bowling all rounder. Why? Because that would make the team to be more competitive (theoretically at least) in the tests abroad. And India doesn't seem to be producing many such players organically through the domestic structure. So you have to take certain risks on certain players when you see some chance or possibility that a particular player will fill an important gap in the team. The FC numbers or domestic experience will not be the deciding factor in such cases, whereas for batsmen or spinners it would be, simply because India doesn't have major gaps in batting or spinning departments and hence less 'desperate'.

 

Also, Hardik Pandya or anybody with similar profile (can bowl pace, can bat) should be expected to add value to both bowling and batting units of the team to start with, and not necessarily be a true blue all rounder who would command his place in the team either as a batsman or a bowler alone. IMO, Pandya has the potential to add value to our late middle order batting (along with Ash, Saha, Jaddu, Bhuvi in different conditions) and to our bowling (as the fourth seamer in away tests definitely, and may be as 3rd seamer in home tests as well).

 

Pandya may eventually fail to become a decent all rounder for us, but it's worth taking a punt on him now.

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12 hours ago, tweaker said:

He can be groomed further under Kumble ,if he learns fast he can be a real all rounder we needs.

He already shown that he can learn fast....

Look at him 2 to 3 months back and now...... there is huge difference with his bowling....

 

Moreover its the team requirement more than his talent (or readiness) which earned him the spot...

 

Looks like he puts lots of hard work which has impressed one and all ( Dravid, Kumble & kohli)

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Young  bowlers  seem to be developing faster under the guidance of Kumble and Dravid.

 

So, Pandya the bowler, will surely benefit, especially if he gets to play actual matches.

 

The same reason why Nathu Singh should be included  in the LOI teams and Kuldeep maybe selected for the test series vs Australia.

 

These are are the 3 best bowling talents we have.

 

But, it is important that  Pandya is released for  FC  if he is not in the actual playing 11....so that he gets the much needed  match practice.

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Returning from the India A tour of Australia in September, Hardik Pandya told his brother and Mumbai Indians team-mate Krunal something simple yet significant. "I actually have learned cricket on this tour," Krunal recounts his younger sibling as saying.

 

Pandya remembers it well. The India A tour helped bring his career back into stride after a disappointing IPL. "I remember that clearly," Pandya tells ESPNcricinfo on Wednesday, hours after his maiden call-up to the India Test squad. "Not just Krunal, I said the same to many players on that A tour."

So what exactly did Pandya learn that he did not know already? "The main change was learning how to be disciplined playing cricket," he says. "And playing Test cricket would be the most disciplined thing I will be doing."

 

Prior to the India A tour, Pandya says he played every tournament riding on his talent. However, during the 55-day long tour of Australia in the company of India A coach Rahul Dravid, Pandya began to understand what makes a long-form player.

 

Dravid narrated a lot of things during the Australia trip, but Pandya cannot forget one point the former India captain made. "We were talking about what is a natural game," Pandya says. "He [Dravid] said that there is no such thing called a natural game. It is just that in cricket you play according to the situation, and you win the games."

 

Soon Pandya found himself in the middle of one such tight situation. It came during the first innings of the second unofficial Test against Australia A at the Allan Border field in Brisbane. Put in to bat, India A were struggling at 46 for 6. Pandya was the last specialist batsman. He ended being the last man out, in the first over of the second morning, having made 79. The match ended in a draw

 

"Lately I have been more disciplined," Pandya says. "I wanted to perform in every game, but had not done much till then. In that match I told myself I can be the standout player, this is the last game of the tour, and I should do something really amazing. They came really hard, but I also responded hard and it worked."

Pandya says the biggest takeaway from the India A tour is that he now understands the nuances of the game a little bit better. Krunal agrees. "In his bowling he is now more clear with his thought process. Now his mind is quite clear what to do, when to do. If you think two things at the same time then you cannot execute your plan. He told me now he is very clear with his though process about what he has to do next in a situation."


On October 11, Pandya celebrated his 23rd birthday. Five days later he made his ODI debut in Dharamsala, in the first ODI of the series against New Zealand. Kapil Dev, India's greatest allrounder, presented Pandya his ODI cap. During the handover Kapil shared a tiny nugget of information: he had made his Test debut in 1978 on the same day, October 16. "The feeling, that moment, I will cherish that all my life. I will never forget that I got my cap from Kapil Dev."

Pandya says the Test call-up is the biggest moment of his cricketing life. "Honestly, being called for the Tests is more pleasing and happier moment," Pandya says. "I have been in the scheme of things as far as ODIs are concerned for a while, but to get a call for Test cricket is the main thing. It tests your temperament, fitness, work ethics, mental strength."

 

Pandya's cricketing ride so far has been akin to being on a rollercoaster. He started on a high in his maiden international series, against Australia in the T20Is earlier this year. He showed courage and presence of mind during a last-over, one-run victory against Bangladesh in the World Twenty20 before sliding swiftly during the IPL where Mumbai Indians preferred Krunal over him.

 

Pandya was then ignored for the limited-over series in Zimbabwe before being recalled for the fortunes-turning India A tour of Australia. He says he let external forces affect him in that low period. "It was very difficult during the IPL," he says. "I was focusing on what people were saying about me. They were saying he is not focusing on his cricket. Until then I never used to worry about what outsiders said. But after making a name I was not used to people talking so much about me. Eventually it harmed me slightly. I was not focusing on things I should have focused on. Then I learned that if you are successful, people will say things and if you get affected it will not help. So I learned I had to be slightly low-profile and mellowed down."

 

The Pandya that came back was better equipped to handle tight situations. "I am more consistent as a bowler than what I was previously," he says. "I was slightly wayward in Twenty20. But everything was new for me in that phase. Now I know I should and should not do."

Pandya backs the talk with an example, his first over in ODI cricket. "After four balls I had gone for 12 runs," he said with a chuckle. "For a second I thought of my T20I debut over where I had gone for 19 runs. But I backed myself. The fours that went were mostly outside edges. Then I got a wicket off the last ball."

That wicket was of Martin Guptill, who had hit those three fours with a tentative bat, before eventually edging to the second slip. Pandya finished with three wickets and earned the Man-of-the-Match award on debut.

 

Not just bowling with the new ball, another evident change in his bowling is the speed. Pandya clocked speeds in the 140s consistently against New Zealand. "MS bhai [Dhoni] has been a big support, giving me the new ball," he says. "It has helped in my growth as a bowler." Dhoni told him that with his deceptive pace and with his ability to swing the ball, Pandya could easily grow into one of the three main fast bowlers for India in ODIs.

 

The pace, Pandya points out, has not come overnight. "As a fast bowler you don't go up in your pace in a month," he said. "I have maintained a proper diet, proper eating habits, proper sleeping habits, proper fitness. It is about being disciplined in line and length. Paras Mhambrey [the bowling coach] helped me with that during the India A tour."

 

The changes are not lost upon keen observers. MSK Prasad, chairman of India's selection committee, noted that Pandya had mellowed recently. Flamboyance, animated celebrations on the field accentuated by an extroverted personality, Prasad said, was what people associated Pandya with. That maverick element is still there, but he is much more composed in his attitude and more focused on the job at hand.

"You can make out by his celebrations in the last three to four months," Krunal says. "It is just the beginning. He is aiming to play consistently for India and do well. It is just a small step, but a very important one."

 

Pandya's selection might be seen as a left-field choice considering his lack of first-class cricket since he started playing domestic cricket for Baroda in 2013. Pandya has played only 16 first-class matches, but reckons that cannot be seen as a limitation. "I am quite confident that I will be able to play good Test cricket," Pandya says. "I know what capability I have. Eventually in life you learn things by doing. So I am not thinking whether I will play [against England] or not. I know I will learn something from this series."

 

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Pandya said that he was really happy about the prospect of playing in the traditional format of the game. "It's such an exciting feeling," he said. "I'm naturally inclined towards taking things head on," he was quoted as saying by Times of India.The right-hander went on to say that he likes playing aggressive cricket no matter which format he was playing in. He claimed that being aggressive on the field helps him to perform better. "I respect the spirit of the game and believe that it should be played in the right manner. Having said that, aggression is also something that comes naturally to me," Pandya said.

 

The 23-year-old stated that he wasn't worried about the questions being raised over his Test selection and was looking forward to making a mark in the upcoming Test series. He also said that he was ready to fit into any role based on the team's requirement.

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1 hour ago, Lord said:

Can see the intentions,but Pandya isnt the answer

 

Will even prefer forgotten Irfan Pathan over him

He himself has forgotten what he was, he choose stardom of hardwork and the result is evident. No fitness and drop in skill levels. 

Pandya hardwork shud be rewarded over Irfan pathan Annual claims in newspaper that he ll return in team. Somebody ask him how- he is unfit most domestic seasons, he trundles at 120K, his fielding has gone down. 

 

Irfan pathan was touted as next kapil dev, wasim akram but he only ended up being a Sheikh Chilli 

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Very good and inspired selection, if they trust his talent he should be given chance.The bigest mistake they will be doing with him is putting lot of pressure on him. They need to let him develop as long he is doing a competent job as a second seamer in Indian conditions.He should bat at no 8 and if he shows talent he should go higher.

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8 hours ago, philcric said:

 

This.

 

Different teams have to take different kinds of punts and risks based on their strengths and weaknesses. For example teams like SA and NZ have to take more risks blooding young spinners compared to teams like Ind-Pak-SL where domestic spinners are more ready to play test cricket. NZ picked Ish Sodhi when his FC average was above 50 !! India doesn't have to take major punts with their new batting selections in tests because traditionally India has been producing good solid conventional batsmen over a long period.

 

What India does need to take gamble is on pace bowling all rounder. Why? Because that would make the team to be more competitive (theoretically at least) in the tests abroad. And India doesn't seem to be producing many such players organically through the domestic structure. So you have to take certain risks on certain players when you see some chance or possibility that a particular player will fill an important gap in the team. The FC numbers or domestic experience will not be the deciding factor in such cases, whereas for batsmen or spinners it would be, simply because India doesn't have major gaps in batting or spinning departments and hence less 'desperate'.

 

Also, Hardik Pandya or anybody with similar profile (can bowl pace, can bat) should be expected to add value to both bowling and batting units of the team to start with, and not necessarily be a true blue all rounder who would command his place in the team either as a batsman or a bowler alone. IMO, Pandya has the potential to add value to our late middle order batting (along with Ash, Saha, Jaddu, Bhuvi in different conditions) and to our bowling (as the fourth seamer in away tests definitely, and may be as 3rd seamer in home tests as well).

 

Pandya may eventually fail to become a decent all rounder for us, but it's worth taking a punt on him now.

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He himself has forgotten what he was, he choose stardom of hardwork and the result is evident. No fitness and drop in skill levels. 

Pandya hardwork shud be rewarded over Irfan pathan Annual claims in newspaper that he ll return in team. Somebody ask him how- he is unfit most domestic seasons, he trundles at 120K, his fielding has gone down. 

 

Irfan pathan was touted as next kapil dev, wasim akram but he only ended up being a Sheikh Chilli 

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

He was getting consistent outswing in the first ODI, when conditions were moderately favourable for swing bowling.

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

i expect gun barrel Pandya if he plays to be carted all around the park for easy pickings, since he has pace they will travel fast to the boundary at times as well.

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

You were talking about swinging the new ball and not setting up batsmen.

 

Even Ishant and Umesh have not learnt how to set up batsmen, after so many years.

 

 

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Just now, Vilander said:

i expect gun barrel Pandya if he plays to be carted all around the park for easy pickings, since he has pace they will travel fast to the boundary at times as well.

If he does a holding job i.e. < 3 RPO, and bowls 10 overs for the innings while Ash, Mish and Jaddu do their thing, its adequate.  If he picks up a bonus wicket here and there, that's great.  He needs to be somewhere around Saha-like with the bat - that's sort of the expectations from him.  At the end of the day, he's selected for his bowling potential, but he's a batting allrounder when it comes down to it.  Think Angelo Mathews or Abdul Razzaq.  Don't expect him to be a front-line seamer in tests...

 

 

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Look at how Mitchell Marsh has been groomed over the last few seasons by Australia - doesn't always do that well, but they are giving him a long rope.  Top-class Pace bowling allrounders are a rare commodity everywhere,  because they have a greater than sum of its parts impact on the team composition, by creating space for another quality player in the team.  

 

Pandya may be nowhere near as good as Ishant or Umesh with the ball, but he will still make the bowling attack stronger by allowing us to play Mishra as the 3rd spinner on a home track.  But he still has to meet a certain standard with the bat - Saha is the right benchmark for him.  We were patient with Saha to come good with the bat, because he was quality with the gloves.  We can be patient with his bowling, as long as he does decent enough with the bat.  If he turns in Jadeja-like performances with the bat, that's not going to cut it however.  

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Pros:

 

- Good pace

- Looks like he has the ability to swing the ball

- Terrific athlete and fielder

- Potential dominator of spin bowling

- Has the confidence and persona to do well at the international level

 

Cons:

 

- Strokeplay on the offside appears limited

- Bowls a lot of hit me deliveries

 

Areas we need to find out:

 

- Does he have the conditioning to bowl consistently throughout the day at good pace?

- Can he obtain reverse swing?

- Batting wise, does he have the shots and technique against quick bowling?

- Can he play long innings'?

 

To me, if you list the pros and cons of the next best seam bowling all rounders, you'll find Pandya has greater qualities and therefore is well worth the investment to find out the answers to the above questions.

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

He was moving the ball in 1st game. rather the swing he gets the movement of the deck. 

If he plays as second seamer in subcontinet he ll mostly fill up the overs its going to be spinners show

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Bowling outswing  and setting up against the likes of Cook consistently especially when batsmen are not looking for quick uns in the powerplay is a different animal altogether.

Setting up a batsman is something u learn with time, he has just started we have to keep a lot of patience with him. Or else go back to binny or rishi . 

Initially his job would be to bowl those 15 overs to give main bowlers rest and the length and pace at which he bowls his bowling would be really handy in Aus, Nz, Sa

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

Why he should he play back to wall innings, has Rohit Sharma played any innings of such quality even though he is playing purely as batsman nothing against Rohit but he got so many chances and he is still so inconsistent.

 

I am fine with his selection as long as he is doing the job of second seamer in India and is showing improvement, .His batting will be plus why are we heaping pressure on the youngster that he needs to do this or he is useless.

Second seamer picks up odd wicket here and there and as a bonus he provides some pop with bat what else you need from him. 

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1 hour ago, philcric said:

People want a ready made pace bowling all rounder  :facepalm:

 

No patience to experiment, same standards/expectations in an area where we are strong (spin bowling or even spin bowling all rounder) and in an area where we are abysmal (pace bowling all rounder). 

 

 

From the point of view of the team, I don't think it is an experiment even.  We don't have a good 6th batsman in test cricket, don't think he will do much worse than the current 6th batter in test matches and , as we are currently playing with only 4 bowlers, his bowling will be  something additional and can be ignored if he is not doing well on a particular day.

 

Pandya has clearly been included  in the test team with a long term view, by Kohli / Kumble.  to develop the much needed pacer-allrounder that we desperately require on seamer-friendly tracks encountered primarily outside Asia, but sometimes here as well,  like the Eden gardens pitch in the last series.

 

I don't think the team has much to lose by including him....the only fear remains is whether his own development as a test player will be hampered by introducing him at a stage when his batting is not sufficiently developed.  We don't know whether his ability to leave deliveries outside the off-stump and defend deliveries is at an acceptable stage. His bowling has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 3 months and  I don't think he will suffer on that front.  He has developed the much needed stock ball at pace and that goes a long way in countering international pressure.

 

There are atleast 2 solutions to counter this issue....give him time to develop rather than judging him from match one  and release him to play FC  if he is not in the actual playing 11.

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He has been selected especially after his performance in A tour in Australia. He had a good bowling performance on that tour,bowling along with regular bowlers Aaron ,Shardul ,Dhawal & Unadkat.

Manjrekar was surprised by the sudden devlopment in.Pandya ' bowling & he said he looked far better bowler than Dhawal Kulkarni.

 

His 79 runs in the 2nd 4 day match when India A regular batsman .ie  Nair,Herwadkar,Fazal,Pandey ,Ojha were not able to handle Australia A bowlers was the key which would have impressed Dravid.He also a good outing against Steyn & co in a tour game in.India.

 

The most important thing for him is he has impressed Dhoni,Kohli ,Dravid,Kumble & they will back him .

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14 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

How is he supposed to show anything without playing?

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14 hours ago, maniac said:

Pandya has pace agreed...till now he hasn't shown the ability to swing the new ball a must in tests or the ability to reverse swing which is a must in SC conditions.

 

With the bat in LOI's he has shown big hitting ability but can he play a back to the wall innings on a green track or a spinning pitch...can he even replicate Binny's innings in England which is as low as a benchmark can get.

He played only one day matches....It's next to impossible to reverse swing in one day matches.....

so, we dont know, if he has the ability to reverse swing....But with his action, it is possible to reverse swing

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Even if he does not know how to reverse swing, as long he has pace and inclination to learn, there are enough people there to teach him that skill. He was swinging the new ball with some pace in odis when ball was swinging. Wasim Akram by his admission never had any other skill except  except pace and his natural angle as left arm bowler. He later developed all other skills.

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this guy barely makes it ODI team not sure why he is picked for test. He is best suited for t20 lets keep him there; lets not confuse him by bringing him into test cricket. He is bang-bang dont teach him block-block. 

 

Lets be perfectly honest, people like him cause he can slog and bowl at 140. Reality is he can only wack domestic spinners and his quicker deliveries like most of his deliveries are directionless.

 

I see Irfan pathan all over again.

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55 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

this guy barely makes it ODI team not sure why he is picked for test. He is best suited for t20 lets keep him there; lets not confuse him by bringing him into test cricket. He is bang-bang dont teach him block-block. 

 

Lets be perfectly honest, people like him cause he can slog and bowl at 140. Reality is he can only wack domestic spinners and his quicker deliveries like most of his deliveries are directionless.

 

I see Irfan pathan all over again.

directionless bowler got Man of the match on debut.

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Just now, rkt.india said:

directionless bowler got Man of the match on debut.

Rkt I know u like him but do you really think he is a good test bowler?

 

too raw yes and loads of potential yes but how can you say he will be a good test bowler?

 

even someone like starc who was a premier odI bowler took a while to get going in tests.

 

likes of Morris, Faulkner who are leagues better than him as Loi bowlers will never play tests for their side.

 

yeah he is a good utility Loi cricketer...a must in t20s and should play a lot more Odis but cmon he is only at the right place at the right time...apart from that nothing else going for him

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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rkt I know u like him but do you really think he is a good test bowler?

 

too raw yes and loads of potential yes but how can you say he will be a good test bowler?

 

even someone like starc who was a premier odI bowler took a while to get going in tests.

 

likes of Morris, Faulkner who are leagues better than him as Loi bowlers will never play tests for their side.

 

yeah he is a good utility Loi cricketer...a must in t20s and should play a lot more Odis but cmon he is only at the right place at the right time...apart from that nothing else going for him

He might or not might not be, but he is someone who can lend balance to the XI if come good. He is an alrounder and will play as a support seamer in tests whether in India or abroad. He did well in Aus with both bat and ball and was very much as good as Aaron, Shardul in 3 day matches. The thing that is going for him is good performance on A tour against a decent Australia A side.

 

regarding Morris and Faulkner, they have already played tests. Also, SA and Aus have a lot of pace bowling options. Aus are playing Mitch Marsh as an alrounder. SA are playing only with 4 bowlers since Kallis retired with Duminy filling up a few overs. We need a batting alrounder who can bat at 6 or 7 and bowl 10-15 overs when we go overseas and Pandya can certainly fill that role for us. He has predominantly been a batsman who bowls, not a bowler who can bat. His batting is only going to improve.

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31 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Yuvraj Singh was WC 2011 man of the series did that make him a good test player ?

Has Pandya already failed like Yuvraj? Yuvraj played as a pure batsman, Pandya isnt. If he can average 35-35 with both bat and ball in test cricket in long term, he will do his job.

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36 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Has Pandya already failed like Yuvraj? Yuvraj played as a pure batsman, Pandya isnt. If he can average 35-35 with both bat and ball in test cricket in long term, he will do his job.

Pandya is yet to find success in t20; he doesnt even have a place in ODI team not sure why is he in test squad. 

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Pandya is a changed bowler after the A tour to Australia.

 

Even in the just concluded ODI series, he has an ER of 5.42, which is good in ODIs these days, especially for a debutant.  I don't know why some posters are calling him directionless. 

 

The thing which was noticeable in the last ODI series as well as the A tour was.... he has developed a stock delivery -- good length, around off-stump and moving away on occasions -- and is trying to bowl the same delivery for 6 balls....not trying useless variations like a rookie.....this can be a big asset in test matches.

 

It is obviously possible that he will have bad days and spray on occasions. But, there is sufficient evidence to try him as an all-rounder in every format. 

 

He is an all-rounder and his role will be slightly different to frontline pacers.

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1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Pandya is yet to find success in t20; he doesnt even have a place in ODI team not sure why is he in test squad. 

so, Was Pujara a success in ODIs and T20s before playing Tests? or likes of Dravid and Ganguly were success in ODIs before playing tests? Ganguly even had a mediocre FC record. How do you conclude he does not have a place in ODIs. As far as I remember, he played 4 out of the 5 ODIs since his debut, only missed last game because we played with 3 spinners on a rank turner. Are you even watching cricket? He was MOM Is first game and and reached very close to winning us the 2nd game with the bat.

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Don't see Pandya lending balance to our test XI when we are playing at home. He only finds a place either as the 3rd seamer or one of the two seamers. 3 seam bowlers is surplus to the requirements on Indian pitches. Accommodating him as one of the two pacers would take away the edge off our attack. If has to be two from Shami, Ishant, and Umesh.

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