maniac Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Exciting young prospect....don't waste time with the Jadhavs of the world...with Dhoni nearing the end of his career....Get this kid in right now. Aussies played Gilchrist in LOI's as a specialist batsman when Healy was nearing his end.....South Africa play AB and DE Kock in LOI's...Eng have Billings,Duckett,Butler,Baristow all specialist keepers in the X1 in LOI's. Let us not waste time...I think he is ready for the big leagues....major reason is I have seen this kid play and he has no fear or is not intimidated by reputation....Get him in before he loses that playing too much domestics. Mosher, Bleed-Blue, WC2011INDIA and 1 other 4 Link to comment
maniac Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 308-run knock: Rishabh Pant creates history, becomes second wicket-keeper batsman in Ranji Trophy history to slam triple ton http://zeenews.india.com/cricket/308-run-knock-rishabh-pant-creates-history-becomes-second-wicket-keeper-batsman-in-ranji-trophy-history-to-slam-triple-ton_1940537.html Yep.....He is ready. When you play too many domestics,you develop a fear when you get a chance finally at international level.....Pant is in epic form and has no fear right now...if he fails...he has time on his side to make a comeback...if he shows his potential in internationals....it will be a win-win either way. Tibarn 1 Link to comment
Bleed-Blue Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yep i agree. Sa gave De kock a chance quickly after u19 world cup and look at him now one of the best in the world. Pant can open the innings now and when Dhoni retires and can imediately take over the gloves maniac, beetle, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Pant does NOT need to be in our LOI side right now. He has tremendous potential as a batsman and needs to develop his game further before being introduced in the international side. He has played only 3 FC matches, 4 List A and 10 T20s. Let him play one full season of FC atleast and then he maybe tried in LOIs in the middle of 2017 if he continues to perform. The careers of many budding talents have been set-back by early introduction, when they have not developed their games sufficiently. Edited October 17, 2016 by express bowling sandeep, msplash9, tweaker and 3 others 6 Link to comment
gattaca Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Let guy work in domestics. Don't put pressure by asking him to select in internationals. Domestics are what helps players get their fundamentals right. Don't want someone to learn fundamentals in internationals. express bowling, sandeep, G_B_ and 1 other 4 Link to comment
maniac Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: Pant does not need to be in our LOI side right now. He has tremendous potential as a batsman and needs to develop his game further before being introduced in the international side. He has played only 3 FC matches, 4 List A and 10 T20s. Let him play one full season of FC atleast and then he maybe tried in LOIs in the middle of 2017 if he continues to perform. The careers of many budding talents have been set-back by early introduction, when they have not developed their games sufficiently. I am not advocating him to be in the test side and yes as a keeper,it will be a disaster having a 19 year old keep on spinning tracks at home or green/bouncy tracks abroad...As a Keeper he can take some time...Even Gilchrist struggled as a keeper early part of his career. As a test batsman too,what you have said makes sense. However for T20 and ODI's we need teh exuberance of youth and this kid is fearless the way he takes on even international bowlers.....IPL was not a flash in the pan clearly as he has the ability to decimate domestic attacks. His fearlessness is what we need in the opening slot right now. He won't start scoring ODI 100's right away...but even starts like 30(15) or 40(25) will be awesome in LOI's and this kid has the capacity for that Mosher 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, maniac said: I am not advocating him to be in the test side and yes as a keeper,it will be a disaster having a 19 year old keep on spinning tracks at home or green/bouncy tracks abroad...As a Keeper he can take some time...Even Gilchrist struggled as a keeper early part of his career. As a test batsman too,what you have said makes sense. However for T20 and ODI's we need teh exuberance of youth and this kid is fearless the way he takes on even international bowlers.....IPL was not a flash in the pan clearly as he has the ability to decimate domestic attacks. His fearlessness is what we need in the opening slot right now. He won't start scoring ODI 100's right away...but even starts like 30(15) or 40(25) will be awesome in LOI's and this kid has the capacity for that The problem that a young player without FC experience often faces while playing international matches is confusion when faced with a few failures that are bound to come sooner or later. They do not have fully developed games and do not have enough match experience to know what to do when failures come. Some even start questioning their basic game and try to make fundamental changes. Like Ishant tried to emulate Zaheer's bowling style. I personally feel that Ishant could have had a much more consistent career if he was introduced to international cricket a couple of years later. I don't want a new talent to suffer the same fate. Pant, being a wicket-keeper batsman, is too important for our team's future a few years later. Edited October 17, 2016 by express bowling sandeep and Bleed-Blue 2 Link to comment
gattaca Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Good job by him and the pitch is road. Their is a triple from maha captain as well Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Just now, express bowling said: The problem that a young player without FC experience often faces while playing international matches is confusion when the faced with a few failures that are bound to come sooner or later. They do not have fully developed games and do not have enough match experience to know what to do when failures come. Some even start questioning their basic game and try to make fundamental changes. Like Ishant tried to emulate Zaheer's bowling style. I personally feel that Ishant could have had a much more consistent career if he was introduced to international cricket a couple of years later. I don't want a new talent to suffer the same fate. Pant, being a wicket-keeper batsman, is too important for our team's future a few years later. Spot on. Introducing Pant too early risks making a Sharjeel Khan out of him. Forget KL Rahul, who just scored centuries in his debut ODI and T20, forget Rohit Sharma, or the countless others who have proven track records and abilities. Let's have this kid open because we are so short of ODI openers. Banjo this is not fantasy cricket. express bowling and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 No........ There is no place for Pant right now. For opener 3 players are fighting- rahane, dhawan and rahul. Rahul pretty much has locked his place in 11 now depends which position. Rahane n Dhawan havent been that awfull that they can be dumped for Pant Agreed Pant could be an X-factors if opens and even i see him as a future star but its too soon. As opener you should have the quality not only to face pace but pace with movement and that takes a lil time. His 300 came on very flat wkt which is eveident by a scorecard and Maharshtra wont have a single challenging bowler. Not taking any credit away from him but based on that innings its to early to decide. Pant has to time to work on skill, fitness as from next yr onwards there would be a lot of games in overseas and opening there isnt eay. We all remeber what happ to dhawan n rohit when they went to Sa n NZ and this guy has no comparison in terms of experience to them. Pant also would have to lift his fielding if he wants to get in team before 2019 as with dhoni their he wont be keeping for sure. Fast tracking also depends on the team's needs. Our team needed someone like Sran, PAndya so they were fast tracked but openers slot is more than filled. If there is someone who needs to be thrown in this team is kuldeep and someone in lower order who can tonk the ball, grind and bowl a few overs. Link to comment
Bleed-Blue Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: Spot on. Introducing Pant too early risks making a Sharjeel Khan out of him. Forget KL Rahul, who just scored centuries in his debut ODI and T20, forget Rohit Sharma, or the countless others who have proven track records and abilities. Let's have this kid open because we are so short of ODI openers. Banjo this is not fantasy cricket. Maybe its a bit early, but he he will never be like Sharjeel Khan, Sharjeel only has one scoring shot thats his problem. Whereas Pant can score both sides off the wicket. Edited October 17, 2016 by Bleed-Blue Link to comment
renjith Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Let him play a full first class session or even 2 full seasons. Then he need to be inducted into A team. Then only he need to be considered in senior team. Selecting him now will only spoil his career. Sreyas iyer, karun nair, samson ... are the ones who need to be considered for senior team at present. sandeep 1 Link to comment
gakgupta Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 As much as i liked him, he should wait.... If you watched De-cock career very closely, he went thru a very bad phase earlier this year....There were occasions where he lacked confidence....Good that he worked and came back strongly (I personally think, IPL helped him tremendously). Very few players can come back from this situation successfully. So, let him play atleast one full season....and more importantly, he has to work on his fitness....he is very obese for a cricketer express bowling and sandeep 2 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Surely he can replace Kedhar Jadhav in the squad? maniac and TNAmarkFrmIndia 1 1 Link to comment
Texan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Ideally should be brought into the T20 team as a replacement for Dhoni. But we know that is not going to happen. maniac 1 Link to comment
tweaker Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 What about his keeping abilities, can he be trusted to keep in international matches. In u19 wc Kishan was the wc. Link to comment
maniac Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 People backing off from Raw Talent is the reason why whenever there is an opening we go for the apparently "seasoned domestic performers"......Vinay Kumar,Pankaj Singh,Badrinath and Kedar Jadhavs of the world will not do much on the other hand some of our memorable victories have been when a raw fast bowler came out of nowhere to announce himself on the world stage....now it is a different debate that they all got burnt out soon and that blame has to do with our bowling culture and coaching staff but this won't happen with our batsmen. I don't want some seasoned utility players like Faiz Fazal etc to be given a shot when there is an opening...bring in players with X factors. Mosher, philcric and Sandeep99 3 Link to comment
gattaca Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 1 minute ago, maniac said: People backing off from Raw Talent is the reason why whenever there is an opening we go for the apparently "seasoned domestic performers"......Vinay Kumar,Pankaj Singh,Badrinath and Kedar Jadhavs of the world will not do much on the other hand some of our memorable victories have been when a raw fast bowler came out of nowhere to announce himself on the world stage....now it is a different debate that they all got burnt out soon and that blame has to do with our bowling culture and coaching staff but this won't happen with our batsmen. I don't want some seasoned utility players like Faiz Fazal etc to be given a shot when there is an opening...bring in players with X factors. We dont him to be another Rohit or Ishant sharma. Let him gain some experience. Link to comment
Bleed-Blue Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, tweaker said: What about his keeping abilities, can he be trusted to keep in international matches. In u19 wc Kishan was the wc. Nah i think ur mistaken, Pant kept in all wc matches. tweaker 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted October 17, 2016 Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, gattaca said: We dont him to be another Rohit or Ishant sharma. Let him gain some experience. Why what is wrong with them? they have definitely won more games than Vinay Kumar,Badrinath and Pankaj Singh when they were young and raw or even after they are experienced. Edited October 17, 2016 by maniac Link to comment
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