Trump is President

[gattaca]

18 minutes ago, Texan said:

Donald Trump's win just shows that you cannot underestimate the power of the ignorant no matter how advanced and sophisticated the nation is. This was a unique Presidential race where both candidates were deeply unpopular and it came down to who was the more unpopular and untrustworthy of the two. Clearly, Hillary's flip flops and lies finally caught up to her even though she was a much more competent candidate. This election also exposes the deep divides in the American society that were thought o be buried many decades ago. Fact that there has still not been a single woman US President exposes that there is a significantly big majority that still believes in patriarchy. So lecturing others on women equality should stop. 

I don't think woman being president is an issue. You can't have a too many bones in the closet and win. Democrats strategy for past two elections has been woman, gay rights, African Americans. That is where Obama won. There is growing dissent regarding immigration , jobs, Obama policies. Eric Cantor losing election is an important phase in America. Dems just ignored that issue.

Edited November 9, 2016 by gattaca

[KeyboardWarrior]

welcome to Whitehouse President Trump.... 

[Tibarn]

The polls were accurate, but people failed to look at the distribution of the sample; they oversampled the democrats consistently in a range of polls. There was a wikiileaks leak that implied that Clinton and Podesta worked with their sympathetic media outlets to show her leading in the national  polls. This was an attempt to manufacture a Clinton wave via the bandwagon effect. Usually, in an unbiased poll, Democrats would be a lower percentage than what was the tendency in the national polls.  Once the poll average was at or below 3, which is the usual margin of error, the election would be a coin flip, or in favor of Trump, if we take into account the sampling bias. 

 

There was also the problem that they don't poll in places like Wisconsin or Michigan, pollsters don't dedicate as many resources for research in these traditionally blue states. When Trump started winning there, the pollsters all ended up with eggs on their faces.   

[Texan]

20 minutes ago, gattaca said:

I don't think woman being president is an issue. You can't have a too many bones in the closet and win. Democrats strategy for past two elections has been woman, gay rights, African Americans. That is where Obama won. There is growing dissent regarding immigration , jobs, Obama policies. Eric Cantor losing election is an important phase in America. Dems just ignored that issue.

America has the oldest democracy and over 200 years and 45 Presidents, not a single one of them being female does show a patriarchal mindset. India in its short history has already had more than 10 years of a woman PM and another 10 years of another woman remotely controlling the PM. 

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[mishra]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Look dude, stop exposing yourself for the classic fallacy of 'falling for a propaganda piece'. Your statement says you don't know the basics of Hillary or Trump's bio: Hillary was a Senator. Not just any Senator, the most prolific senator in history of US Senate. In just two terms, not a bazillion like McCain for eg. 

 

Now stop arguing just coz the guy you got suckered into won. That doesn't make him more qualified or competent.

Sell your 'shady hillary but no different than a big businessman' nonsense elsewhere, coz last i checked, there are ZERO cases pending in court against Hillary and MULTIPLE against Trump. You do realize that Hillary has been scrutinized more than ANY other presidential candidate and nothing illegal has been found- that doesn't make her shady, that makes her, at worst, Teflon Hillary and at best, unimpeachably clean : tried, tested and found not guilty of anything illegal. Hence no case against her.

 

And as i said, don't teach me 'competent businessman' who bankrupts a casino in one of the top 3 places to have a casino on this planet. Go check how often Casinos go bankrupt. That too in Vegas. Its the business equivalent of a soccer goalie scoring an own goal out of a goal kick. I am a lifelong gambler and i've been to Vegas since the early 90s. Even lived there for a while. So don't tell me a businessman is competent who bankrupts a casino. He isn't. 

 

 

You still didnt get it.

1. Hillary for president  banner cameup because she was Mrs Clinton. Dynastical rule. Had she won, 10 years post retirement it will be Chelsea for president  after all she will have same excellent gene. Just like our Rahul Baba.

 

2. Donald Trump is corrupt, took advantage of tax system. Agreed. he made that grab by P**** comment about women, Yes agreed, But that comment isnt complete picture of his views about women. He has wife and daughter too.He has a family. People do not want a God to be president. A human will do.

 

3. Someone as experienced as Hillary or Trump and around that age will have a lot in Closet. Problem is what people priorities.

4. Not all Trump supporters are bigots and racists else Obama wouldn't have been president of USA

Edited November 9, 2016 by mishra

[zen]

A simple fact is that in the recent history, it is hard to find too many examples of a party winning the 3rd consecutive term. Ppl want change, at times, even for the sake of it rather than maintain status quo 

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

A simple fact is that in the recent history, it is hard to find too many examples of a party winning the 3rd consecutive term. Ppl want change, at times, even for the sake of it rather than maintain status quo 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-isis-same-money-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

 

 

Julian Assange: Isis and Clinton Foundation are both funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar

‘This is the most significant email in the whole collection’

In the email sent on August 17 2014, Ms Clinton asked Mr Podesta, who at that time worked under president Barack Obama, to help put “pressure” on Qatar and Saudi Arabia regarding the countries’ alleged support for the terrorist group Isis.

 

According to the Clinton Foundation, the Saudi Arabian government has donated between $10m (£8m) and $25million since the foundation was set up in 1997. Last month it was reported the government of Qatar offered to donate $1m to the foundation in celebration of Bill Clinton’s birthday.

[jalebi_bhai]

This is a vote against the Washington establishment, plain and simple. I mean, the status quo Republicans themselves didn't want Donald, yet the silent majority went for the non-establishment candidate. The Democrats have only themselves to blame though. 

 

A few days back, Obama said that Donald was unfit to be POTUS. Well, how did Hillary 'Competent' Clinton and her media machinery botch this up then? A heavy anti-incumbency against the Washington establishment. 

[Silva]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

A simple fact is that in the recent history, it is hard to find too many examples of a party winning the 3rd consecutive term. Ppl want change, at times, even for the sake of it rather than maintain status quo 

Only happened once after FDR I think.  

[zen]

8 minutes ago, mishra said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-isis-same-money-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

 

 

Julian Assange: Isis and Clinton Foundation are both funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar

‘This is the most significant email in the whole collection’

In the email sent on August 17 2014, Ms Clinton asked Mr Podesta, who at that time worked under president Barack Obama, to help put “pressure” on Qatar and Saudi Arabia regarding the countries’ alleged support for the terrorist group Isis.

 

According to the Clinton Foundation, the Saudi Arabian government has donated between $10m (£8m) and $25million since the foundation was set up in 1997. Last month it was reported the government of Qatar offered to donate $1m to the foundation in celebration of Bill Clinton’s birthday.

That could be true but I dont see grave implications here unless it is implied that on one hand Hillary wanted to put pressure on these Middle East countries through US govt, and on the other hand, seek donation from them may to have her stop pursuing action against them 

 

[beetle]

This s a serous down vote for Hillary.

How bad do you have to be to lose to Trump?

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

You still didnt get it.

1. Hillary for president  banner cameup because she was Mrs Clinton. Dynastical rule. Had she won, 10 years post retirement it will be Chelsea for president  after all she will have same excellent gene. Just like our Rahul Baba.

Given that i just demonstrated that she is the most active senator of alltime in proposing bills to the senate, has 6 years Secretary of State position, she is the LAST person to be accused of dynastic behaviour, since she is the most qualified presidential candidate ever in terms of years spent at the centre and proposing policies.

 

 

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2. Donald Trump is corrupt, took advantage of tax system. Agreed. he made that grab by P**** comment about women, Yes agreed, But that comment isnt complete picture of his views about women. He has wife and daughter too.He has a family. People do not want a God to be president. A human will do.

 

Most rapists also have wives and daughters. What he said about women, is how he feels about women. A human would do, but a scum bucket of a human is reaching a bit low.

 

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4. Not all Trump supporters are bigots and racists else Obama wouldn't have been president of USA

immigration was not an issue during Obama election & Obama is a guy. Never underestimate the power of misogyny in USA, in a way it reminds me a lot of India on how outwardly they say nice things about women but are deeply women-hating cultures for the most part ( in India it applies to mostly the non-north eastern cultures).

6 minutes ago, radhika said:

This s a serous down vote for Hillary.

How bad do you have to be to lose to Trump?

Being a woman in USA is not an easy thing, Rads. 

[someone]

This is what happens when white votes like minorities. They become like a votebank and voted in big numbers for him.  So its not correct to resort to namecalling now.

 

Overall, its not a Trump win but a Hillary loss. That should the real conclusion. She is the only democratic candidate that could have lost against him. Shows how little trust many had for her. There should be more questions on her, and her various foundations.

[maniac]

3 hours ago, Texan said:

America has the oldest democracy and over 200 years and 45 Presidents, not a single one of them being female does show a patriarchal mindset. India in its short history has already had more than 10 years of a woman PM and another 10 years of another woman remotely controlling the PM. 

India having a woman pm and a woman remote control supermo shows dynastic mindset.... Not exactly gender equality..... Same applies for Bangladesh with khaleda and hasina or pak with benazir 

[Silva]

Now that he is president how will he be able to do 70% of the things he promised? Removing trade deals, getting mexico to build a wall, banning muslims from entering, getting rid of every single undocumented worker, removing obamacare. The only thing I see him doing is cutting taxes. Basically George bush part 2. 

[CG]

I read an article which said trump tried to invoke Patriotic sentiments by his campaign and Clinton underestimated the power of patriotism.

[zen]

Read this sometime ago. Michael Moore gave good insights ----> LINK

 

 

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President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.

I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!

You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts – “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!” – or logic – “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!” – is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “a small plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to – we need to – hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a shit show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”

Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen – and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.

Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women – check. Abortion should be legal – check. Stronger environmental laws – check. More gun control – check. Legalize marijuana – check. A huge shift has taken place – just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot?  That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.

Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:

^ more in the link 

Edited November 9, 2016 by zen

[Laaloo]

Orange is the new black

[coffee_rules]

51 senate votes , Republicans can do jack shit if Dems start filibustering and block all bills. They don't have 60 votes. Dems will do what GOP did for Obama in the last 8 years.