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In a day and age when wicket keeper's of most countries are fantastic bat like Dekock, Bairstow, Sarfraz, Chandimal...how long shall we tolerate the mediocrity of Wriddhiman Saha. Its so painful to see that our WK bat comes to bat after a bowler. Especially after watching MSD for years...Saha reminds me of MSK Prasad, Samir dighe, Ajay Ratra era. Not asking Saha to be next MS Dhoni bcoz players like those comes once in a generation but surely there are better keepers available in the country. Precisely the reason I am worried about our LOI team when Dhoni retires.

Heard a lot about Rishabh Pant. He should immidiately replace Saha as our test keeper. And if he performs can slowly transition into LOI teams.

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28 minutes ago, fineleg said:

Forget comparing with MSD or Sadanand Viswanath.

Even Kiran More and Nayan Mongia were better keeper batsmen and can defend and score against spinners (and medium pacers) compared to W. Saha :((

 

 

You are overestimating the batting ability of our keepers over the years in test matches.

 

Apart from Dhoni,  there has not been a single keeper in our history who has averaged more than 35.   Not a single keeper has averaged over 40. ( among keepers who have played 15+ tests )

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 144 16 4876 224 38.09 6 33 10 investigate this query
BK Kunderan 1960-1967 15 28 3 831 192 33.24 2 3 1 investigate this query
FM Engineer 1961-1975 46 87 3 2611 121 31.08 2 16 7 investigate this query
PA Patel 2002-2008 20 30 7 683 69 29.69 0 4 4 investigate this query
WP Saha 2012-2016 19 28 4 697 104 29.04 1 4 3 investigate this query
SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 88 124 22 2759 102 27.04 2 12 7 investigate this query
KS More 1986-1993 49 64 14 1285 73 25.70 0 7 7 investigate this query
NR Mongia 1994-2001 44 68 8 1442 152 24.03 1 6 6 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2004-2010 16 24 1 491 93 21.34 0 3 2 investigate this query
NS Tamhane 1955-1961 21 27 5 225 54* 10.22 0 1 8

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+jan+1870;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

In a day and age when wicket keeper's of most countries are fantastic bat like Dekock, Bairstow, Sarfraz, Chandimal...how long shall we tolerate the mediocrity of Wriddhiman Saha. Its so painful to see that our WK bat comes to bat after a bowler. Especially after watching MSD for years...Saha reminds me of MSK Prasad, Samir dighe, Ajay Ratra era. Not asking Saha to be next MS Dhoni bcoz players like those comes once in a generation but surely there are better keepers available in the country. Precisely the reason I am worried about our LOI team when Dhoni retires.

Heard a lot about Rishabh Pant. He should immidiately replace Saha as our test keeper. And if he performs can slowly transition into LOI teams.

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As a test keeper and batsmen, he is better than DHONI....

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13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

You are overestimating the batting ability of our keepers over the years in test matches.

 

Apart from Dhoni,  there has not been a single keeper in our history who has averaged more than 35.   Not a single keeper has averaged over 40. ( among keepers who have played 15+ tests )

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 144 16 4876 224 38.09 6 33 10 investigate this query
BK Kunderan 1960-1967 15 28 3 831 192 33.24 2 3 1 investigate this query
FM Engineer 1961-1975 46 87 3 2611 121 31.08 2 16 7 investigate this query
PA Patel 2002-2008 20 30 7 683 69 29.69 0 4 4 investigate this query
WP Saha 2012-2016 19 28 4 697 104 29.04 1 4 3 investigate this query
SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 88 124 22 2759 102 27.04 2 12 7 investigate this query
KS More 1986-1993 49 64 14 1285 73 25.70 0 7 7 investigate this query
NR Mongia 1994-2001 44 68 8 1442 152 24.03 1 6 6 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2004-2010 16 24 1 491 93 21.34 0 3 2 investigate this query
NS Tamhane 1955-1961 21 27 5 225 54* 10.22 0 1 8

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+jan+1870;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

 

You are forgetting that historically keepers were not expected to bat. But in today's day and age, all top teams in World cricket have keepers who can bat, some of them like de Kock, Bairstow, Chandimal, Sarfaraz average over 40. A keeper just keeping is just not good enough these days. He must be able to bat. More than just the average, it is Saha's temperament that is questionable. In the final innings of the last Test, when he was supposed to block, he came out all guns blazing and perished immediately. 

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22 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

As a test keeper and batsmen, he is better than DHONI....

Keeper - yes, batsman - no. You may compare averages, no. of matches/innings per 100/50, average in India, average overseas. Any way you cut it, Dhoni is a better batsman than Saha. In fact, the best batsman among wicket-keepers in Indian cricket so far. 

 

Problem is that Saha, who has been outstanding behind the wicket, has been missing simple catches and stumping. I am not worried about his batting stats at this stage (was brilliant with the bat against NZ just last month). The margin of error for straightforward catches and stumpings is zero when it comes to wicket-keepers. The only reason that Pant is unable to replace Saha is the high standard of Saha's keeping. Pant, for sure, will average at least 35-40 given the kind of batting talent he has. It is his keeping that makes a few people unsure. Though his Delhi team-mates have mentioned that he has improved a lot and has worked hard on his keeping this season. 

 

So Saha needs to ensure he keeps scoring those gutsy 40s-50s and more importantly, be sharp behind the stumps. Otherwise, with age not being on his side, just a matter of time before he is replaced.

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27 minutes ago, Texan said:

You are forgetting that historically keepers were not expected to bat. But in today's day and age, all top teams in World cricket have keepers who can bat, some of them like de Kock, Bairstow, Chandimal, Sarfaraz average over 40. A keeper just keeping is just not good enough these days. He must be able to bat. More than just the average, it is Saha's temperament that is questionable. In the final innings of the last Test, when he was supposed to block, he came out all guns blazing and perished immediately. 

The stats were in answer to a post that More, Mongia and most of our PAST keepers were better batsman than Saha...which is factually incorrect.

 

I am not advocating a keeper who is a bad batsman.    If and when a good test keeper comes,  who is a clearly  better batsman than Saha...he will be replaced.  As of today, we don't have any.

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For next yr or so he is not going anywere, unless he fails so miserably.

For god sake its just been 2 games n people go crazy be it with him or rahane.(What cricket hae u grown up on that u see people scoring in every game)

Saha has done well in Sl, Sa series, Wi n NZ series

 

Which Sangakara n adam gilchrist are resy in domestic that we are so admant on replacing him. 

All of us here know he aint a long term solution and is no special talent but for present we need him. He is a very good keeper who time n again has played very gutsy knocks. 

 

U cant forget present by talking about future all the time

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44 minutes ago, Samcric said:

Keeper - yes, batsman - no. You may compare averages, no. of matches/innings per 100/50, average in India, average overseas. Any way you cut it, Dhoni is a better batsman than Saha. In fact, the best batsman among wicket-keepers in Indian cricket so far. 

 

Problem is that Saha, who has been outstanding behind the wicket, has been missing simple catches and stumping. I am not worried about his batting stats at this stage (was brilliant with the bat against NZ just last month). The margin of error for straightforward catches and stumpings is zero when it comes to wicket-keepers. The only reason that Pant is unable to replace Saha is the high standard of Saha's keeping. Pant, for sure, will average at least 35-40 given the kind of batting talent he has. It is his keeping that makes a few people unsure. Though his Delhi team-mates have mentioned that he has improved a lot and has worked hard on his keeping this season. 

 

So Saha needs to ensure he keeps scoring those gutsy 40s-50s and more importantly, be sharp behind the stumps. Otherwise, with age not being on his side, just a matter of time before he is replaced.

Yes, Saha's keeping mistakes have been worrying. In turn, they have affected his batting as well... or maybe the other way around.

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Did well in West Indies and against NZ too. Just 2 poor matches guys. Now you will find it tough to believe but replacing Dhoni is not that easy.

Honestly this. MSD has made us spoilt and we look for very good keeper. Saha is OK for a keeper and the best we have currently but we do need to start finding a replacement now so that the new keeper is ready to take over any moment like saha was ready whenever Ms didn't play.

Not this series but we can't definitely try new guys against the minnows aussies. The pressure will be lot less because aussies can't play here and the new wk can easily fit with the team. Then keep him in the squad as a backup for Saha on tours and series. With saha being 30+ we will definitely need someone as a backup.

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2 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Honestly this. MSD has made us spoilt and we look for very good keeper. Saha is OK for a keeper and the best we have currently but we do need to start finding a replacement now so that the new keeper is ready to take over any moment like saha was ready whenever Ms didn't play.

Not this series but we can't definitely try new guys against the minnows aussies. The pressure will be lot less because aussies can't play here and the new wk can easily fit with the team. Then keep him in the squad as a backup for Saha on tours and series. With saha being 30+ we will definitely need someone as a backup.

Lol. Must not get over-complacent, although Aus are indeed pretty poor at the moment.

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Lol. Must not get over-complacent, although Aus are indeed pretty poor at the moment.

Don't go by the glorious aussies history. They have been minnows against spin for around 4 years now. Bangladesh would whitewash them if aussies did tour them.

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3 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Don't go by the glorious aussies history. They have been minnows against spin for around 4 years now. Bangladesh would whitewash them if aussies did tour them.

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Not going by history here. I know that their players, with 1-2 exceptions, can't play spin.

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