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In a day and age when wicket keeper's of most countries are fantastic bat like Dekock, Bairstow, Sarfraz, Chandimal...how long shall we tolerate the mediocrity of Wriddhiman Saha. Its so painful to see that our WK bat comes to bat after a bowler. Especially after watching MSD for years...Saha reminds me of MSK Prasad, Samir dighe, Ajay Ratra era. Not asking Saha to be next MS Dhoni bcoz players like those comes once in a generation but surely there are better keepers available in the country. Precisely the reason I am worried about our LOI team when Dhoni retires.

Heard a lot about Rishabh Pant. He should immidiately replace Saha as our test keeper. And if he performs can slowly transition into LOI teams.

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Forget comparing with MSD or Sadanand Viswanath.

Even Kiran More and Nayan Mongia were better keeper batsmen and can defend and score against spinners (and medium pacers) compared to W. Saha :((

And his keeping is OK but not great!

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28 minutes ago, fineleg said:

Forget comparing with MSD or Sadanand Viswanath.

Even Kiran More and Nayan Mongia were better keeper batsmen and can defend and score against spinners (and medium pacers) compared to W. Saha :((

 

 

You are overestimating the batting ability of our keepers over the years in test matches.

 

Apart from Dhoni,  there has not been a single keeper in our history who has averaged more than 35.   Not a single keeper has averaged over 40. ( among keepers who have played 15+ tests )

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 144 16 4876 224 38.09 6 33 10 investigate this query
BK Kunderan 1960-1967 15 28 3 831 192 33.24 2 3 1 investigate this query
FM Engineer 1961-1975 46 87 3 2611 121 31.08 2 16 7 investigate this query
PA Patel 2002-2008 20 30 7 683 69 29.69 0 4 4 investigate this query
WP Saha 2012-2016 19 28 4 697 104 29.04 1 4 3 investigate this query
SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 88 124 22 2759 102 27.04 2 12 7 investigate this query
KS More 1986-1993 49 64 14 1285 73 25.70 0 7 7 investigate this query
NR Mongia 1994-2001 44 68 8 1442 152 24.03 1 6 6 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2004-2010 16 24 1 491 93 21.34 0 3 2 investigate this query
NS Tamhane 1955-1961 21 27 5 225 54* 10.22 0 1 8

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+jan+1870;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

In a day and age when wicket keeper's of most countries are fantastic bat like Dekock, Bairstow, Sarfraz, Chandimal...how long shall we tolerate the mediocrity of Wriddhiman Saha. Its so painful to see that our WK bat comes to bat after a bowler. Especially after watching MSD for years...Saha reminds me of MSK Prasad, Samir dighe, Ajay Ratra era. Not asking Saha to be next MS Dhoni bcoz players like those comes once in a generation but surely there are better keepers available in the country. Precisely the reason I am worried about our LOI team when Dhoni retires.

Heard a lot about Rishabh Pant. He should immidiately replace Saha as our test keeper. And if he performs can slowly transition into LOI teams.

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As a test keeper and batsmen, he is better than DHONI....

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Just now, fineleg said:

@express bowling  they could defend at least and can be counted on a bit more than this lasting for all of 10-20 balls that Saha does.

 

 

Saha played quite a few gritty knocks against SL, SAF, WI and NZ...including 1 century and 4 fifties.

 

Two bad tests ....can happen to anybody. 

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13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

You are overestimating the batting ability of our keepers over the years in test matches.

 

Apart from Dhoni,  there has not been a single keeper in our history who has averaged more than 35.   Not a single keeper has averaged over 40. ( among keepers who have played 15+ tests )

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 144 16 4876 224 38.09 6 33 10 investigate this query
BK Kunderan 1960-1967 15 28 3 831 192 33.24 2 3 1 investigate this query
FM Engineer 1961-1975 46 87 3 2611 121 31.08 2 16 7 investigate this query
PA Patel 2002-2008 20 30 7 683 69 29.69 0 4 4 investigate this query
WP Saha 2012-2016 19 28 4 697 104 29.04 1 4 3 investigate this query
SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 88 124 22 2759 102 27.04 2 12 7 investigate this query
KS More 1986-1993 49 64 14 1285 73 25.70 0 7 7 investigate this query
NR Mongia 1994-2001 44 68 8 1442 152 24.03 1 6 6 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2004-2010 16 24 1 491 93 21.34 0 3 2 investigate this query
NS Tamhane 1955-1961 21 27 5 225 54* 10.22 0 1 8

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+jan+1870;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

 

You are forgetting that historically keepers were not expected to bat. But in today's day and age, all top teams in World cricket have keepers who can bat, some of them like de Kock, Bairstow, Chandimal, Sarfaraz average over 40. A keeper just keeping is just not good enough these days. He must be able to bat. More than just the average, it is Saha's temperament that is questionable. In the final innings of the last Test, when he was supposed to block, he came out all guns blazing and perished immediately. 

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22 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

As a test keeper and batsmen, he is better than DHONI....

Keeper - yes, batsman - no. You may compare averages, no. of matches/innings per 100/50, average in India, average overseas. Any way you cut it, Dhoni is a better batsman than Saha. In fact, the best batsman among wicket-keepers in Indian cricket so far. 

 

Problem is that Saha, who has been outstanding behind the wicket, has been missing simple catches and stumping. I am not worried about his batting stats at this stage (was brilliant with the bat against NZ just last month). The margin of error for straightforward catches and stumpings is zero when it comes to wicket-keepers. The only reason that Pant is unable to replace Saha is the high standard of Saha's keeping. Pant, for sure, will average at least 35-40 given the kind of batting talent he has. It is his keeping that makes a few people unsure. Though his Delhi team-mates have mentioned that he has improved a lot and has worked hard on his keeping this season. 

 

So Saha needs to ensure he keeps scoring those gutsy 40s-50s and more importantly, be sharp behind the stumps. Otherwise, with age not being on his side, just a matter of time before he is replaced.

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27 minutes ago, Texan said:

You are forgetting that historically keepers were not expected to bat. But in today's day and age, all top teams in World cricket have keepers who can bat, some of them like de Kock, Bairstow, Chandimal, Sarfaraz average over 40. A keeper just keeping is just not good enough these days. He must be able to bat. More than just the average, it is Saha's temperament that is questionable. In the final innings of the last Test, when he was supposed to block, he came out all guns blazing and perished immediately. 

The stats were in answer to a post that More, Mongia and most of our PAST keepers were better batsman than Saha...which is factually incorrect.

 

I am not advocating a keeper who is a bad batsman.    If and when a good test keeper comes,  who is a clearly  better batsman than Saha...he will be replaced.  As of today, we don't have any.

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For next yr or so he is not going anywere, unless he fails so miserably.

For god sake its just been 2 games n people go crazy be it with him or rahane.(What cricket hae u grown up on that u see people scoring in every game)

Saha has done well in Sl, Sa series, Wi n NZ series

 

Which Sangakara n adam gilchrist are resy in domestic that we are so admant on replacing him. 

All of us here know he aint a long term solution and is no special talent but for present we need him. He is a very good keeper who time n again has played very gutsy knocks. 

 

U cant forget present by talking about future all the time

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44 minutes ago, Samcric said:

Keeper - yes, batsman - no. You may compare averages, no. of matches/innings per 100/50, average in India, average overseas. Any way you cut it, Dhoni is a better batsman than Saha. In fact, the best batsman among wicket-keepers in Indian cricket so far. 

 

Problem is that Saha, who has been outstanding behind the wicket, has been missing simple catches and stumping. I am not worried about his batting stats at this stage (was brilliant with the bat against NZ just last month). The margin of error for straightforward catches and stumpings is zero when it comes to wicket-keepers. The only reason that Pant is unable to replace Saha is the high standard of Saha's keeping. Pant, for sure, will average at least 35-40 given the kind of batting talent he has. It is his keeping that makes a few people unsure. Though his Delhi team-mates have mentioned that he has improved a lot and has worked hard on his keeping this season. 

 

So Saha needs to ensure he keeps scoring those gutsy 40s-50s and more importantly, be sharp behind the stumps. Otherwise, with age not being on his side, just a matter of time before he is replaced.

Yes, Saha's keeping mistakes have been worrying. In turn, they have affected his batting as well... or maybe the other way around.

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Did well in West Indies and against NZ too. Just 2 poor matches guys. Now you will find it tough to believe but replacing Dhoni is not that easy.

Honestly this. MSD has made us spoilt and we look for very good keeper. Saha is OK for a keeper and the best we have currently but we do need to start finding a replacement now so that the new keeper is ready to take over any moment like saha was ready whenever Ms didn't play.

Not this series but we can't definitely try new guys against the minnows aussies. The pressure will be lot less because aussies can't play here and the new wk can easily fit with the team. Then keep him in the squad as a backup for Saha on tours and series. With saha being 30+ we will definitely need someone as a backup.

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2 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Honestly this. MSD has made us spoilt and we look for very good keeper. Saha is OK for a keeper and the best we have currently but we do need to start finding a replacement now so that the new keeper is ready to take over any moment like saha was ready whenever Ms didn't play.

Not this series but we can't definitely try new guys against the minnows aussies. The pressure will be lot less because aussies can't play here and the new wk can easily fit with the team. Then keep him in the squad as a backup for Saha on tours and series. With saha being 30+ we will definitely need someone as a backup.

Lol. Must not get over-complacent, although Aus are indeed pretty poor at the moment.

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Lol. Must not get over-complacent, although Aus are indeed pretty poor at the moment.

Don't go by the glorious aussies history. They have been minnows against spin for around 4 years now. Bangladesh would whitewash them if aussies did tour them.

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3 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Don't go by the glorious aussies history. They have been minnows against spin for around 4 years now. Bangladesh would whitewash them if aussies did tour them.

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Not going by history here. I know that their players, with 1-2 exceptions, can't play spin.

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3 minutes ago, Texan said:

Batting wise he is nowhere near Dhoni and keeping wise also, Dhoni was better. Dhoni's keeping kept getting better with time.

In SC, his batting is not in the same class as Dhoni. As for keeping, he's had a bad series here, but the previous 2 were good.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 If and when a good test keeper comes,  who is a clearly  better batsman than Saha...he will be replaced.  As of today, we don't have any.

The "we don't have a better option" argument is something I have heard for the umpteenth time. It is not like we don't have good keeper batsmen in domestics. We just have to show some guts to blood them. 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

For next yr or so he is not going anywere, unless he fails so miserably.

For god sake its just been 2 games n people go crazy be it with him or rahane.(What cricket hae u grown up on that u see people scoring in every game)

Saha has done well in Sl, Sa series, Wi n NZ series

 

Which Sangakara n adam gilchrist are resy in domestic that we are so admant on replacing him. 

All of us here know he aint a long term solution and is no special talent but for present we need him. He is a very good keeper who time n again has played very gutsy knocks. 

 

U cant forget present by talking about future all the time

I think you've misunderstood/simplified the argument:

 

1. Apart from last 6 tests or so, Saha has not impressed with the bat (see batting average after 19 tests)

2. This series, Saha has been poor with gloves and bat- one of the main reasons to persist with his low batting returns was because he supposedly almost guaranteed you a performance behind the stumps

3. Saha is not young and will not give you long term returns-  by the time he gets going, it may be time to end

4. He has shown poor batting temperament on a number of occasions (including this series)- most importantly Adelaide when he could have helped us win

5. Kohli/current management don't have much faith in him- hence Ashwin bats ahead of him

 

Hence if he doesnt give returns by end of this series- questions should rightly be asked

 

 

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14 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

I think you've misunderstood/simplified the argument:

 

1. Apart from last 6 tests or so, Saha has not impressed with the bat (see batting average after 19 tests)

2. This series, Saha has been poor with gloves and bat- one of the main reasons to persist with his low batting returns was because he supposedly almost guaranteed you a performance behind the stumps

3. Saha is not young and will not give you long term returns-  by the time he gets going, it may be time to end

4. He has shown poor batting temperament on a number of occasions (including this series)- most importantly Adelaide when he could have helped us win

5. Kohli/current management don't have much faith in him- hence Ashwin bats ahead of him

 

Hence if he doesnt give returns by end of this series- questions should rightly be asked

 

 

If he fails with bat and gloves for 5 tests in a row, then of course questions need to be asked. But, there are still 3 tests remaining.

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38 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

I think you've misunderstood/simplified the argument:

 

1. Apart from last 6 tests or so, Saha has not impressed with the bat (see batting average after 19 tests)

2. This series, Saha has been poor with gloves and bat- one of the main reasons to persist with his low batting returns was because he supposedly almost guaranteed you a performance behind the stumps

3. Saha is not young and will not give you long term returns-  by the time he gets going, it may be time to end

4. He has shown poor batting temperament on a number of occasions (including this series)- most importantly Adelaide when he could have helped us win

5. Kohli/current management don't have much faith in him- hence Ashwin bats ahead of him

 

Hence if he doesnt give returns by end of this series- questions should rightly be asked

 

 

+1. Good post that covers all points. There are still 3 Tests remaining in this series. What we should do at the very least is bring in a reserve keeper in the squad so that Saha knows that he is on notice. Better get his act together or he is out. 

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10 minutes ago, Texan said:

+1. Good post that covers all points. There are still 3 Tests remaining in this series. What we should do at the very least is bring in a reserve keeper in the squad so that Saha knows that he is on notice. Better get his act together or he is out. 

If he's going to play till end of series, no point in having a reserve keeper. Instead, the management can just have a quiet word in person instead.

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8 minutes ago, Vijy said:

If he's going to play till end of series, no point in having a reserve keeper. Instead, the management can just have a quiet word in person instead.

If I had my way, he wouldn't be playing the next Test. But if the selectors want to give him this series to prove himself, then they should pick a reserve keeper just to keep him on his toes. 

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18 minutes ago, Texan said:

If I had my way, he wouldn't be playing the next Test. But if the selectors want to give him this series to prove himself, then they should pick a reserve keeper just to keep him on his toes. 

Seems reasonable enough. 5 Tests in a row with both bat and gloves is a sufficiently long rope.

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5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

You are overestimating the batting ability of our keepers over the years in test matches.

 

Apart from Dhoni,  there has not been a single keeper in our history who has averaged more than 35.   Not a single keeper has averaged over 40. ( among keepers who have played 15+ tests )

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2005-2014 90 144 16 4876 224 38.09 6 33 10 investigate this query
BK Kunderan 1960-1967 15 28 3 831 192 33.24 2 3 1 investigate this query
FM Engineer 1961-1975 46 87 3 2611 121 31.08 2 16 7 investigate this query
PA Patel 2002-2008 20 30 7 683 69 29.69 0 4 4 investigate this query
WP Saha 2012-2016 19 28 4 697 104 29.04 1 4 3 investigate this query
SMH Kirmani 1976-1986 88 124 22 2759 102 27.04 2 12 7 investigate this query
KS More 1986-1993 49 64 14 1285 73 25.70 0 7 7 investigate this query
NR Mongia 1994-2001 44 68 8 1442 152 24.03 1 6 6 investigate this query
KD Karthik 2004-2010 16 24 1 491 93 21.34 0 3 2 investigate this query
NS Tamhane 1955-1961 21 27 5 225 54* 10.22 0 1 8

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;keeper=1;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=15;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+jan+1870;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

 

 

This proves on thing,Stats never give the true picture....Parthiv Patel is no 4 on that list when the fact is that he is the poorest among all the keepers listed there.

 

I know you published the stat to show Saha's batting credentials but here is the thing

 

You pull such stats say with Pakistan as a criteria and you will probably get Kamran AKmal as statistically the best or 2nd best WK-Bat from Pakistan of all time which doesn't tell you half the picture....I mean this is the guy who lost tests singlehandedly with keeping which has never ever happened before.

 

Now coming back to Saha,his batting is mediocre and you can pull such stats to prove he is the better than Mongia,kirmani etc. but what about his primary skill keeping? You think he is a better keeper than Mongia and Kirmani?

 

Now coming to Dhoni he is head and shoulders above Kirmani or mongia or any other WK-Bat we have produced....As a Keeper he is in the same league as Mongia etc while keeping to Spinners may be a shade better thats about it and that is debatable,but keeping to Pace he was pretty mediocre ........but then again you can't compare him to other Indian keepers because they hardly kept to a lot of fast bowlers barring 1or 2.....so that puts Dhoni in a league of his own which everyone accepts.

 

If Saha was as a way way better keeper than Dhoni and Mongia etc,We can accept his average batting without asking any questions...no problem at all but the fact is ,his keeping is not perfect, infact it is pretty mediocre,even though he was good against Nzl...... overall he has shown mediocre glove work....now that mediocre glove work would have been acceptable to some extent if Saha was better or as good as Dhoni with the bat,but he is neither that too.

 

Dhoni,Sangakkara,Mccullum,De Kock can play as batsmen alone for their sides and some of them have done that...Sarfaraz too given how mediocre Pak batting line up is can play as a batsman for them.

 

Now Saha doesn't obviously qualify in the above league which is obvious.

 

But all these players when they played as specialist batsman had back up keepers who where no way in their league as batsman..... but they were excellent specialist keepers.

 

Now I don't think you can call saha an excellent specialist keeper

 

SImple....Keeping is his primary job and his batting is a bonus which needs to compensate for odd failures in his primary role...that would be ok....but Saha is total mediocre in both departments

 

 

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saha is a decent batsman and keeper...but he is someone who is low in confidence, can't express himself on big stage and gets bog down.
he will be bullied easily by good fast bowlers.
you can hear from the stump mics (irritating voice), he is not encouraging his bowlers enough. 

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7 minutes ago, gattaca said:

What are the replacements ? Give him at least this series. He played well in the last few series. Don't say pant. That guy didn't even play the whole Ranji season yet.

People are going to say Pant, Samson, Kishan - none of whom have sufficient experience in keeping, or will suggest Karthik and Pappu who are worse keepers.

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5 hours ago, maniac said:

This proves on thing,Stats never give the true picture....Parthiv Patel is no 4 on that list when the fact is that he is the poorest among all the keepers listed there.

 

I know you published the stat to show Saha's batting credentials but here is the thing

 

You pull such stats say with Pakistan as a criteria and you will probably get Kamran AKmal as statistically the best or 2nd best WK-Bat from Pakistan of all time which doesn't tell you half the picture....I mean this is the guy who lost tests singlehandedly with keeping which has never ever happened before.

 

Now coming back to Saha,his batting is mediocre and you can pull such stats to prove he is the better than Mongia,kirmani etc. but what about his primary skill keeping? You think he is a better keeper than Mongia and Kirmani?

 

Now coming to Dhoni he is head and shoulders above Kirmani or mongia or any other WK-Bat we have produced....As a Keeper he is in the same league as Mongia etc while keeping to Spinners may be a shade better thats about it and that is debatable,but keeping to Pace he was pretty mediocre ........but then again you can't compare him to other Indian keepers because they hardly kept to a lot of fast bowlers barring 1or 2.....so that puts Dhoni in a league of his own which everyone accepts.

 

If Saha was as a way way better keeper than Dhoni and Mongia etc,We can accept his average batting without asking any questions...no problem at all but the fact is ,his keeping is not perfect, infact it is pretty mediocre,even though he was good against Nzl...... overall he has shown mediocre glove work....now that mediocre glove work would have been acceptable to some extent if Saha was better or as good as Dhoni with the bat,but he is neither that too.

 

Dhoni,Sangakkara,Mccullum,De Kock can play as batsmen alone for their sides and some of them have done that...Sarfaraz too given how mediocre Pak batting line up is can play as a batsman for them.

 

Now Saha doesn't obviously qualify in the above league which is obvious.

 

But all these players when they played as specialist batsman had back up keepers who where no way in their league as batsman..... but they were excellent specialist keepers.

 

Now I don't think you can call saha an excellent specialist keeper

 

SImple....Keeping is his primary job and his batting is a bonus which needs to compensate for odd failures in his primary role...that would be ok....but Saha is total mediocre in both departments

 

 

Parthiv was poor in keeping, not in batting. He is still amongst the best as a batsman who can keep.

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Parthiv was poor in keeping, not in batting. He is still amongst the best as a batsman who can keep.

Yes, very poor keeper indeed. But, he's been a consistent FC bat for many seasons as you mentioned.

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10 hours ago, Texan said:

You are forgetting that historically keepers were not expected to bat. But in today's day and age, all top teams in World cricket have keepers who can bat, some of them like de Kock, Bairstow, Chandimal, Sarfaraz average over 40. A keeper just keeping is just not good enough these days. He must be able to bat. More than just the average, it is Saha's temperament that is questionable. In the final innings of the last Test, when he was supposed to block, he came out all guns blazing and perished immediately. 

Anyone remember the horrible shot he played to be bowled in the first test match against Australia in Adelaide...  Kohli could have done with some support and who knows what could have happened. We lost that by 48 runs and we had 4 more wkts after Saha :wall:

 

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5 minutes ago, diga said:

Anyone remember the horrible shot he played to be bowled in the first test match against Australia in Adelaide...  Kohli could have done with some support and who knows what could have happened. We lost that by 48 runs and we had 4 more wkts after Saha :wall:

 

It's also equally important then to remember the 2nd test vs NZ where the opposite was possible because of him (to an extent).

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3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

It's also equally important then to remember the 2nd test vs NZ where the opposite was possible because of him (to an extent).

Question is , do we want a hit & miss player or a more consistent one? Do we have replacements in the domestics available? Is age on Saha's side? 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, diga said:

Question is , do we want a hit & miss player or a more consistent one? Do we have replacements in the domestics available? Is age on Saha's side? 

 

 

No real replacements in the domestic scene -  too inexperienced or those that have been shown to be poor keepers anyway

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26 minutes ago, diga said:

Anyone remember the horrible shot he played to be bowled in the first test match against Australia in Adelaide...  Kohli could have done with some support and who knows what could have happened. We lost that by 48 runs and we had 4 more wkts after Saha :wall:

 

And its not like he has learnt anything from it either. Just watch the atrocious innings he played in the 2nd innings of the Rajkot Test v/s England. This guy just does not seem to have the stomach for a fight. 

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11 hours ago, Texan said:

The "we don't have a better option" argument is something I have heard for the umpteenth time. It is not like we don't have good keeper batsmen in domestics. We just have to show some guts to blood them. 

Those keepers who are considered  back-ups  for test matches are usually seen playing the 4 day matches on A tours and in the Duleep trophy.

 

Those keepers are Naman Ojha, Parthiv Patel, Srikar Bharat and Dinesh Karthick.

 

Parthiv and  Bharat were nothing special as keepers.

 

Karthick has major issues with temperament.

 

Naman Ojha is the only realistic option but he is very similar to Saha is a lot of aspects, including age and is seen as a less gritty batsman.

 

I  watch a lot of domestic cricket and have not come across a keeper who has struck as a good future prospect as of today.

 

All the good batsmen among keepers that i see are poor keepers with defective techniques as of today and will take atleast 12 to 18 months to be ready for tests if they work hard on their keeping.

 

Who do you have in mind ?

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Those keepers who are considered  back-ups  for test matches are usually seen playing the 4 day matches on A tours and in the Duleep trophy.

 

Those keepers are Naman Ojha, Parthiv Patel, Srikar Bharat and Dinesh Karthick.

 

Parthiv and  Bharat were nothing special as keepers.

 

Karthick has major issues with temperament.

 

Naman Ojha is the only realistic option but he is very similar to Saha is a lot of aspects, including age and is seen as a less gritty batsman.

 

I  watch a lot of domestic cricket and have not come across a keeper who has struck as a good future prospect as of today.

 

All the good batsmen among keepers that i see are poor keepers with defective techniques as of today and will take atleast 12 to 18 months to be ready for tests if they work hard on their keeping.

 

Who do you have in mind ?

 

 

 

 

What about Aditya Tare ,who was the best keeper in domestic cricket last season.

His age is also between Saha,Ojha & Pant,Kishan.

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2 minutes ago, tweaker said:

What about Aditya Tare ,who was the best keeper in domestic cricket last season.

His age is also between Saha,Ojha & Pant,Kishan.

I have not seen him keep.  Do you think he is a good keeper  ?

 

If he is good as a keeper then he should definitely get a chance on A tours or should have been picked  for  Duleep trophy.

 

He can be an interesting option as he is an attacking batsman.

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8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I have not seen him keep.  Do you think he is a good keeper  ?

 

If he is good as a keeper then he should definitely get a chance on A tours or should have been picked  for  Duleep trophy.

 

He can be an interesting option as he is an attacking batsman.

He has good stats as wicket keeper for last 2-3 seasons.He had the highest numbers of caught behind/stumping last season .He also saved many batting blues for Mumbai with his gutsy batting.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, tweaker said:

He has good stats as wicket keeper for last 2-3 seasons.He had the highest numbers of caught behind/stumping last season .He also saved many batting blues for Mumbai with his gutsy batting.

 

 

Then we need him in our A side in place of Ojha.  Why is he not in contention !

 

The selectors missed a trick by not playing him in the  Duleep Trophy.

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Not trying to troll here or something, but honestly speaking the way people were calling for Dhoni's throat I thought Saha was the next Gilchrist or something. Even now there are people who think Dhoni should discontinue from LOIs as well, what they aren't able to see is Dhoni is once in a lifetime player for a team like ours perenially struggling with the WK-bat position.

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16 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

Not trying to troll here or something, but honestly speaking the way people were calling for Dhoni's throat I thought Saha was the next Gilchrist or something. Even now there are people who think Dhoni should discontinue from LOIs as well, what they aren't able to see is Dhoni is once in a lifetime player for a team like ours perenially struggling with the WK-bat position.

people were calling Dhoni to quit captaincy. Why couldn't he play under any other captain, even in ODIs. Regarding Dhoni as a test batsman, he was an average test batsman who was good in India, average around 44 in India, but even Dhoni wasnt close to Gilchrist in test cricket who averaged around 50 for most his career in tests. He does not have a 100 overseas in tests. Saha already does.

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11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

people were calling Dhoni to quit captaincy. Why couldn't he play under any other captain, even in ODIs. Regarding Dhoni as a test batsman, he was an average test batsman who was good in India, average around 44 in India, but even Dhoni wasnt close to Gilchrist in test cricket who averaged around 50 for most his career in tests. He does not have a 100 overseas in tests. Saha already does.

My post was clearly for people who thought Dhoni should have been dropped both as captain and player. Regarding his batting abilities in tests, I agree that he wasn't close to Gilchrist but he was still the best we've had.

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