Ganguly's assessment of fast bowlers

[putrevus]

He is spot on the assessment about Indian fast bowlers picking up more than a wicket or two in an innings.They need to take  5fers and show that they have the ability to run thru the sides. Broad took 4 wickets ,Anderson 3 and combined they took 10 wickets. Our fast bowlers took 4 wickets combined which is  bad and there were no catches dropped of them either.

 If Indian teams wants to compete abroad these fast bowlers have to learn how to take wickets not just one or two here and there. What is happening is these guys are being passengers for majority of the time with no responsibility at all.When they travel abroad and are called upon to take wickets they are coming up croppers.

These guys are so unaccustomed of taking wickets ,when playing overseas they are simply lost . They are over the moon when they take a wicket or two.They run out of gas after their opening spells and give up too easily if things do not go their way.There is no fight in them. While England has lost the match but they did take twenty wickets and fast bowlers played a vital role.

Kumble and Kohli need to teach these guys to aim higher and not just be satisfied by taking a wicket or two.Bhuvi has shown the ability to take 5fers on helpful tracks let these two guys also learn how to take 5fers otherwise all these wins at home amount to nothing if they stink up when they play abroad.

Edited November 21, 2016 by putrevus

[fineleg]

I thought they were bit unlucky to not get few more

[singhprakash72]

They need longer spells and good field to support them. I think in West Indies (albeit weaker batting) the fast bowlers matched Spinner. Shami and Bhuvi can do it with good conditions. Question is as a captain playing in Indian picth  would you risk longer spells of Fast Bowling if Spinner can purchase you a wicket without leaking runs.

[kosingh]

Against England? In India? 

 

I'll go with spinners, thank you. 

 

 

[Tibarn]

A good pacer takes a wicket between every 9-10 overs they bowl. For the match our pacers bowled 54 overs and took 4 wickets coming to a wicket every 13.5 overs, but we should remember that there were dropped catches off their bowling in the 1st innings when the pacers bowled the bulk of their overs, 32 between them.  

 

Also, we can see they bowled 27% of the overs, and got 4/20 wickets, 20 percent of the wickets. Thus, if we factor in the dropped catches, (there were 2 correct?), they would have bowled 27% of the overs and produced 30% of the wickets. That's pretty much what one would want. They can't produce wickets if they don't bowl.   

 

By contrast our spinners bowled 146 overs, 73% of the total overs 

 

The English pacers bowled 56 ovrs in the 1st innings alone and added 32 in the 2nd, so 88 total overs. Their "frontline" spinners bowled 87 overs, and adding Ansari and Root's 14 more, 103 overs of spin. Thus spinners bowled 54%  and pacers 46% of overs. In total their pacers took 5 wickets in both innings, thus they took 50% of wickets bowling(10/20) basically 50% of overs. Thus they had a basically one to one ratio between percent overs bowled and percent wickets taken.

 

If one looks at it this way, we can say our pacers basically performed slightly below expectation based on the scorecard, or if we remember the dropped catches, we could say our pacers actually over performed relative to the English.

 

Dada is wrong here, IMO      

[CG]

English batsman played fast bowlers well unlike our top order who poked away to broad.

[putrevus]

You can go with spinners, but after losing the toss and on good batting pitches you need fast bowlers to pick wickets or we will see more scores of Rajkot.

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[CG]

You can go with spinners, but after losing the toss and on good batting pitches you need fast bowlers to pick wickets or we will see more scores of Rajkot.

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Yes fats Bowlers creates chances in first test when we bowled first so no reason to complain.

[speedster]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

You can go with spinners, but after losing the toss and on good batting pitches you need fast bowlers to pick wickets or we will see more scores of Rajkot.

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True, with three tests remaining, chances are that we may lose the toss in one of the games, we'll need them to pick wickets early on to neutralize the advantage, from the looks of it there might be change in personnel in the next game and Bhuvi might play

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Our spinners will run through them before pacers can.

[maniac]

Where is @narenpande1 input on this?

[kubrickian]

We cant really blame our fast bowlers because we treat them like second class citizens.

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, kubrickian said:

We cant really blame our fast bowlers because we treat them like second class citizens.

Shami did fairly well in this match.