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Will Dhoni surrender the initiative once more  

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  1. 1. Will Dhoni surrender the initiative once more

    • Blame his bowlers
    • Or talk about inexperience n prepare to loose


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This has been a pattern for last two years, we are knocking out opponents before or after loosing in ODI series again n again, for all the doubters , naysayers, bandwagons, Virat has shown how to win n Dhoni has taught us how to surrender n gain experience in loosing, m sick of seeing him again coming in and loosing

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You talking about India being complacent in ODI series? Well honestly, England ODI team is reallly good so expect them to compete hard. Yes we will start as favorites, but it is not always Dhoni's fault. The shorter the format, teams will feel they can beat us regardless of the venue. Our bowling has let us down plenty of times in ODI'S. Captain is sometimes as good as his team, so can not just blame Dhoni if we let England be competitive in the coming series.

 

Though, I would hope Dhoni sticks to his words and continue to come up the order to bat like he did against New Zealand. As it really helps us.

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21 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

You talking about India being complacent in ODI series? Well honestly, England ODI team is reallly good so expect them to compete hard. Yes we will start as favorites, but it is not always Dhoni's fault. The shorter the format, teams will feel they can beat us regardless of the venue. Our bowling has let us down plenty of times in ODI'S. Captain is sometimes as good as his team, so can not just blame Dhoni if we let England be competitive in the coming series.

 

Though, I would hope Dhoni sticks to his words and continue to come up the order to bat like he did against New Zealand. As it really helps us.

Stop throwing reality truth bombs.  Don't you know anything and everything that's wrong with Indian cricket is Dhoni's fault, especially for some posters here?  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Our LOI team is a garbage, it's a waste of time to even support them. As usual we will reach the semis in the upcoming champions trophy on the back of 1 or 2 players and will be eventually get kicked out by a better team. 

Things are not great, but that's a bit harsh.  We have a gaping hole in our lower middle order, thanks to Dhoni's decline as a hitter.  Our openers are stubbornly sticking to old-fashioned tactics of 'building an innings' slowly upfront, instead of seizing the initiative and trying to set up the game.  But all is not gloomy.  Our bowling is looking decent, with Bumrah, Shami, Ash - the options of Bhuvi, Umesh, Jaddu, Mishra on the bench don't look too shabby either.  Pandya may hopefully continue to develop as a bowler, and is an option worthy of exploring.  

 

And even though Dhoni's nowhere near the all-star he was, he's very serviceable at 4/5.  And we are auditioning Pandya and Kedar Jadhav for the pivotal #6 slot.  If the former works out with bat and ball, team will look a lot stronger.  

 

My bigger concern is that with all the emphasis on improving the bowling, and the search for the 'finisher', the opening is under-achieving consistently, under the radar.  There's a generation gap in our batting approach up front,  vs the top teams post 2014, and there are zero signs of even acknowledging this problem by team mgmt, forget about attempting to solve it.  

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25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Things are not great, but that's a bit harsh.  We have a gaping hole in our lower middle order, thanks to Dhoni's decline as a hitter.  Our openers are stubbornly sticking to old-fashioned tactics of 'building an innings' slowly upfront, instead of seizing the initiative and trying to set up the game.  But all is not gloomy.  Our bowling is looking decent, with Bumrah, Shami, Ash - the options of Bhuvi, Umesh, Jaddu, Mishra on the bench don't look too shabby either.  Pandya may hopefully continue to develop as a bowler, and is an option worthy of exploring.  

 

And even though Dhoni's nowhere near the all-star he was, he's very serviceable at 4/5.  And we are auditioning Pandya and Kedar Jadhav for the pivotal #6 slot.  If the former works out with bat and ball, team will look a lot stronger.  

 

My bigger concern is that with all the emphasis on improving the bowling, and the search for the 'finisher', the opening is under-achieving consistently, under the radar.  There's a generation gap in our batting approach up front,  vs the top teams post 2014, and there are zero signs of even acknowledging this problem by team mgmt, forget about attempting to solve it.  

 Do you think Dhoni justifying his position in this squad, just because he was once a legendary player and best finisher we should continue with him till the end of the world, why can't we let him go, why can't we try new batsmen/keeper when this is the right time to invest in. We may loose while doing so but at least we will be building up for the future. Barring one or two instances ( once against SL in tri series final and another in bagnladesh ) after 2011 WC final where he played back against the wall inning and help us win single handed. Where as there are various instances where he made us loose single handed Zimbabwe ODI and Westindies t-20  was worst of the lot. If we want to be a world class team we need to move on from this idol worshiping and leaving in the past. Dhoni might give one or two winning performance once in a blue moon but so does Tendulkar and Sehwag. It's really painful to see Dhoni struggling so much and still continuing to whom i thought there is nothing to achieve and could have respectfully retired by now.

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First...we need an opener who can hit from ball one and a couple of batsmen at No.5 and No.6 , who can bat at a SR of 110+ as a career statistic.  One of them should be a part time bowler too.

 

Before we do that ....our ODI side is not playing the modern game.....and will never win consistently.

 

The captain and coach must implement this, even if it means taking some harsh decisions.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Things are not great, but that's a bit harsh.  We have a gaping hole in our lower middle order, thanks to Dhoni's decline as a hitter.  Our openers are stubbornly sticking to old-fashioned tactics of 'building an innings' slowly upfront, instead of seizing the initiative and trying to set up the game.  But all is not gloomy.  Our bowling is looking decent, with Bumrah, Shami, Ash - the options of Bhuvi, Umesh, Jaddu, Mishra on the bench don't look too shabby either.  Pandya may hopefully continue to develop as a bowler, and is an option worthy of exploring.  

 

And even though Dhoni's nowhere near the all-star he was, he's very serviceable at 4/5.  And we are auditioning Pandya and Kedar Jadhav for the pivotal #6 slot.  If the former works out with bat and ball, team will look a lot stronger.  

 

My bigger concern is that with all the emphasis on improving the bowling, and the search for the 'finisher', the opening is under-achieving consistently, under the radar.  There's a generation gap in our batting approach up front,  vs the top teams post 2014, and there are zero signs of even acknowledging this problem by team mgmt, forget about attempting to solve it.  

Those are some colorful words but this is not a new problem, this has been the case since the start of 2014. Other strong teams use bilateral series as means to test out their new, young players and build a team for the future. What we have been doing is complete opposite by recycling the same old failures one after the other - Dhawan, Raina, Yuvraj, ****, and now Jadhav (seriously?). Imagine the middle order of Rahane, **** and Jadhav? No thank you. 

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We have a good benchmark and can compare, when Dhoni left the test side it was in tatters n worse then the ODi side, Virat brought in a will to win innovate, had plans then just competing n learning lol.

ODI team needs a redirection n stagnation n damage caused by Dhoni in test side n odi is evident he is like a cancer to the team.

We need to have a odi side without Dhoni who cannot bat or captain, get in Pant , Sarfaraz, Mandeep, Hooda, Ishan n let Kohli captain the side n you will see the difference.

Out goes Dhoni, Rahane income Pant, Mandeep.

Odi side should be

Pant

Dhawan

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sarfaraz

Jadhav

K Yadav

Bumrah

Shami

Ashwin 

Jadeja

Pandya

Hooda

Mandeep

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We have a good benchmark and can compare, when Dhoni left the test side it was in tatters n worse then the ODi side, Virat brought in a will to win innovate, had plans then just competing n learning lol.

ODI team needs a redirection n stagnation n damage caused by Dhoni in test side n odi is evident he is like a cancer to the team.

We need to have a odi side without Dhoni who cannot bat or captain, get in Pant , Sarfaraz, Mandeep, Hooda, Ishan n let Kohli captain the side n you will see the difference.

Out goes Dhoni, Rahane income Pant, Mandeep.

Odi side should be

Pant

Dhawan

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sarfaraz

Jadhav

K Yadav

Bumrah

Shami

Ashwin 

Jadeja

Pandya

Hooda

Mandeep

Actually,

I would prefer

Pant

Rahul

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sky

Sarfaraz

Pandya

Hooda

Kuldeep

Shami

Bumrah

Negi

Chahal

Aaron

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We have a good benchmark and can compare, when Dhoni left the test side it was in tatters n worse then the ODi side, Virat brought in a will to win innovate, had plans then just competing n learning lol.

ODI team needs a redirection n stagnation n damage caused by Dhoni in test side n odi is evident he is like a cancer to the team.

We need to have a odi side without Dhoni who cannot bat or captain, get in Pant , Sarfaraz, Mandeep, Hooda, Ishan n let Kohli captain the side n you will see the difference.

Out goes Dhoni, Rahane income Pant, Mandeep.

Odi side should be

Pant

Dhawan

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sarfaraz

Jadhav

K Yadav

Bumrah

Shami

Ashwin 

Jadeja

Pandya

Hooda

Mandeep

Actually,

I would prefer

Pant

Rahul

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sky

Sarfaraz

Pandya

Hooda

Kuldeep

Shami

Bumrah

Negi

Chahal

Aaron

Bhuvi

Sent from my SM-N900 using Tapatalk

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We have a good benchmark and can compare, when Dhoni left the test side it was in tatters n worse then the ODi side, Virat brought in a will to win innovate, had plans then just competing n learning lol.

ODI team needs a redirection n stagnation n damage caused by Dhoni in test side n odi is evident he is like a cancer to the team.

We need to have a odi side without Dhoni who cannot bat or captain, get in Pant , Sarfaraz, Mandeep, Hooda, Ishan n let Kohli captain the side n you will see the difference.

Out goes Dhoni, Rahane income Pant, Mandeep.

Odi side should be

Pant

Dhawan

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sarfaraz

Jadhav

K Yadav

Bumrah

Shami

Ashwin 

Jadeja

Pandya

Hooda

Mandeep

Actually,

I would prefer

Pant

Rahul

Rohit

Virat

Pandey

Sky

Sarfaraz

Pandya

Hooda

Kuldeep

Shami

Bumrah

Negi

Chahal

Aaron

Bhuvi

Sent from my SM-N900 using Tapatalk

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4 hours ago, Lannister said:

Those are some colorful words but this is not a new problem, this has been the case since the start of 2014. Other strong teams use bilateral series as means to test out their new, young players and build a team for the future. What we have been doing is complete opposite by recycling the same old failures one after the other - Dhawan, Raina, Yuvraj, ****, and now Jadhav (seriously?). Imagine the middle order of Rahane, **** and Jadhav? No thank you. 

I don't disagree with you on any of this.  Raina and Yuvraj should not be in the mix because they wouldn't help us in 2019 WC.  And neither should Rahane.  Rahane only works as an opener in ODIs or not at all.  But he showed in the NZ series, that there's something lacking mentally there.  I did think that he is a better quality option than say a Dhawan, but somehow he just can't get it done in ODIs and is even slumping in tests at the moment.  And Dhoni should be under a microscope as a player and as a captain. 

 

Our selectors have always been risk averse and conventional - the SRT early pick apart, (and even that you can argue was a gimme) they have rarely shown vision and elevated quality players early - its often happened by accident and not by design.  I'm hoping Coach Kumble will change this for the better, but that remains to be seen.

 

@raki05  There's no question of "justifying" Dhoni's place or any of that.  The day we have a viable replacement for him who brings more value to the ODI team than him, he's done.  Simple as that.  Right now, Dhoni's all-world wicket-keeping, his batting - which nowhere near as good as he was, is still serviceable in the middle order, and his experience is good enough to earn him a bit of slack to see if he can modify and adjust his batting so that he still adds value.  As of now, he isn't.  He's batting a bit too slow.  I already think its time for us to start auditioning his replacements by trying them out in T20s - be it Samson or Pant (or shirt - sorry, I know its horrible, but still) .  

 

But threads like this one, have a very clear, one-eyed super-biased agenda.  Which is to bash away and pass baseless accusations as fact, at a legendary player who is on the downside of his career. 

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