CPEC has ZERO economic viability, its a massive cost. Is the purpose something else?

[narenpande1]

If the start point is Gwadar port, and then going through all of Pak's hinterland, then to PoK and then to Kashgar in Xinjiang, China.

 

What is the point of this enormous road route ?? Xinjiang is a very sparsely populated province and atleast 2000 miles away from China's major cities / economic hubs through which these goods may come and go.

 

When a massive cargo ship can hold as much as 50-100 trucks, and China's exiting sea route through malacca strait, reaches all its major coastal economic hubs, why take an almost 6000 km road trip ? ( about 2500 Km in Pakistan ) and another 3500 km in China ?

 

Those 2500 Km in Pakistan are always fraught with risks of attacks.

 

Whatmore, China has asked Pakistan to raise a regiment to protect CPEC at Pakistan's cost.

 

I see padosis getting colonized.

 

 

[Tibarn]

Padosi generals don't mind as long as Pakjab is safe.  

[narenpande1]

It ends up making the entire length of Pakistan , a strategic military base of China.

 

I look forward to Paks behavior when China well and truely starts behaving like Pakistan is its colony.

 

India must play it smart here.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by narenpande1

[Deucalion]

23 hours ago, narenpande1 said:

If the start point is Gwadar port, and then going through all of Pak's hinterland, then to PoK and then to Kashgar in Xinjiang, China.

 

What is the point of this enormous road route ?? Xinjiang is a very sparsely populated province and atleast 2000 miles away from China's major cities / economic hubs through which these goods may come and go.

 

When a massive cargo ship can hold as much as 50-100 trucks, and China's exiting sea route through malacca strait, reaches all its major coastal economic hubs, why take an almost 6000 km road trip ? ( about 2500 Km in Pakistan ) and another 3500 km in China ?

 

Those 2500 Km in Pakistan are always fraught with risks of attacks.

 

Whatmore, China has asked Pakistan to raise a regiment to protect CPEC at Pakistan's cost.

 

I see padosis getting colonized.

 

 

ok. we are going to colonized. thn ? why do you care ? i think you shouldnt be bother about whats going on in pakistan. 

[velu]

1 hour ago, Deucalion said:

ok. we are going to colonized. thn ? why do you care ? i think you shouldnt be bother about whats going on in pakistan. 

we analyze and comment  just for fun KW

 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Deucalion said:

ok. we are going to colonized. thn ? why do you care ? i think you shouldnt be bother about whats going on in pakistan. 

Air space ...Amrika

Water body ... China

Land mass ... Partially by Saudi Arabia

[jalebi_bhai]

No CPEC in 6-7 months.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Finer said:

CPEC is an international economical venture. Nations like Russia, England, Germany, Turkey, Iran, China and Central Asia are joining CPEC to cater the international market for trade.

 

Any proof of such tall claims that Russia, England, Germany, Iran are part of CPEC or is it yet another Pak fantasy ?

 

[Iconoclast]

The numpty who opened this thread has no knowledge of geopolitics.

 

China all though a large nation has almost its entire population overcrowded on its eastern seaboard.

 

Western China is largely uninhabited but has a huge development potential.

 

CPEC leads into this region and will be critical for its development. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Any proof of such tall claims that Russia, England, Germany, Iran are part of CPEC or is it yet another Pak fantasy ?

 

Pak media claimed Russia joining CPEC.Russian ministry issued statement denying that.Just like Russia denied selling Su 35.All these are fed to Pakistani public to keep them happy.

And England and Germany joining CPEC.lol

[Muloghonto]

13 minutes ago, Iconoclast said:

The numpty who opened this thread has no knowledge of geopolitics.

 

China all though a large nation has almost its entire population overcrowded on its eastern seaboard.

 

Western China is largely uninhabited but has a huge development potential.

 

CPEC leads into this region and will be critical for its development. 

1. Where are you getting your info that Britain, Germany, Russia etc are joining in on CPEC ?

2. Western China (Xinjiang) has nothing for major exportable resources and that area is extremely thinly populated. It is also not agricultural lands. So what is there to develop ?

 

3. Sea travel cost is 3x cheaper than land travel cost. Which means via sea you have to travel 3 times the distance to pay the same for land travel. So if CPEC is not fully secure, it doesn't help China or its exports. 

 

[panther]

It won't change much, will create some jobs.

[narenpande1]

It is astonishing, the level of liberties Pakistan has given to China. No sovereign nation would give to another.

 

China does not have such liberties even in Hong Kong, which is its own autonomous region.

 

Pakistan has almost told China " Please do what you want with our land " , it is as good as yours.

 

China decides what to build whom to hire for construction  ( all chinese labor), China asks Pakistan to pay for the security

 

China provides financing for this to Pakistan at rates that it has decided, which Pakistani commentators themselves and Musharraf too has 

said that " China hamein chuna laga raha hai "  ( China is exploiting us ).

 

it is not long before, you would see a slew of Chinese activities on Pak soil. 

 

China an atheist nation with ZERO similarity to Pak - be it cultural, religious, political or lifestyle. This is huge recipe for plenty of tension.

 

What amuses me is the shameless attitude of Pakistan. Pakistan cries crocodile tears for Kashmiri Muslims but does not utter a word about how China has maimed Muslims in Xinjiang. They are not allowed to read arabic scriptures, they cant fast.

 

Tens of Thousands have been butchered by China over the decades

 

 

According to recent news, they have all been asked to surrender their passport.  No word from Pakistan on these atrocities against Muslims.

Why ?? Because China is their new master. Compare this to how fakely they react when there is violence against Muslims in India.

 

Also Pakistan's fake affection for Kashmir or Kashmiris was never an issue when they gifted 5000 sq kM of their occupied Kashmir to China.

 

This is the brazen shamelessness of Pakistan the nation, that has ZERO international credibility. 

 

I bet NO LIVING or DEAD PAKISTANI can justify these Pakistani standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by narenpande1

[randomGuy]

These are people who name their missiles after those who invaded their land and persecuted them. 

 

Pakistan has standards only in chori, makkari, selfishness, delusion and ignorance.

 

They know that their land has no value and no takers , so they give it for apparently for less money. China is also happy as it can sustain a bankrupt Pakistani economy so that Pakistan sustain hostility with India as per Chinese'plan' to 'contain' India.

[Deucalion]

17 hours ago, narenpande1 said:

It is astonishing, the level of liberties Pakistan has given to China. No sovereign nation would give to another.

 

China does not have such liberties even in Hong Kong, which is its own autonomous region.

 

Pakistan has almost told China " Please do what you want with our land " , it is as good as yours.

 

China decides what to build whom to hire for construction  ( all chinese labor), China asks Pakistan to pay for the security

 

China provides financing for this to Pakistan at rates that it has decided, which Pakistani commentators themselves and Musharraf too has 

said that " China hamein chuna laga raha hai "  ( China is exploiting us ).

 

it is not long before, you would see a slew of Chinese activities on Pak soil. 

 

China an atheist nation with ZERO similarity to Pak - be it cultural, religious, political or lifestyle. This is huge recipe for plenty of tension.

 

What amuses me is the shameless attitude of Pakistan. Pakistan cries crocodile tears for Kashmiri Muslims but does not utter a word about how China has maimed Muslims in Xinjiang. They are not allowed to read arabic scriptures, they cant fast.

 

Tens of Thousands have been butchered by China over the decades

 

 

According to recent news, they have all been asked to surrender their passport.  No word from Pakistan on these atrocities against Muslims.

Why ?? Because China is their new master. Compare this to how fakely they react when there is violence against Muslims in India.

 

Also Pakistan's fake affection for Kashmir or Kashmiris was never an issue when they gifted 5000 sq kM of their occupied Kashmir to China.

 

This is the brazen shamelessness of Pakistan the nation, that has ZERO international credibility. 

 

I bet NO LIVING or DEAD PAKISTANI can justify these Pakistani standards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

again, why do you care about us ? i dont get it. 

13 hours ago, randomGuy said:

These are people who name their missiles after those who invaded their land and persecuted them. 

 

Pakistan has standards only in chori, makkari, selfishness, delusion and ignorance.

 

They know that their land has no value and no takers , so they give it for apparently for less money. China is also happy as it can sustain a bankrupt Pakistani economy so that Pakistan sustain hostility with India as per Chinese'plan' to 'contain' India.

just a question. persecuted ? how ? explain it plz

[Muloghonto]

14 minutes ago, Deucalion said:

just a question. persecuted ? how ? explain it plz

You name your missiles Ghauri, Ghaznavi. Yet Mohammeds of Ghor & Ghanza utterly raped, pillaged, genocided and burnt to hell everything in what is Pakistan today, except for FATA region& Baluchistan. The Pashtuns united with Ghazna to genocide the Kambojas, who lived in the Khyber & Malakand region till then. He then utterly raped, pillaged, killed & plundered vast swathes of Punjab & Sindh, where 90% Pakistanis come from.

 

So basically, you celebrate the ones who killed, raped & enslaved your direct ancestors.

 

[narenpande1]

 

Here is what Pakistan and Pakistaniyat is in reality:

 

When Pakistan was formed as a nation for Indian muslims , half of the muslims decided to be a part of secular India.

The idea of Pakistan failed then and there for the 1st time. But when Pakistan was formed anyway, Pakistani leadership thought that

if they exist just as a South Asian Muslim country, that would not justify their conception as half the muslims were in India.

 

Hence, Pakistan decided to position itself as semi-Arab, semi-Central Asian country to distinguish itself. Hence started the Islamization.

 

Pakistan was happy positioning itself as a second rate Central Asian state or a third rate Arab state than a proud South Asian state.

And hence, they started to be in denial about their past and ancestry and made " heroes" out of the Central Asian invaders of current day Pakistan like Abdali, Ghaznavi, Babur and naming their made in China missiles after them..etc.

 

This is the reality of Pakistan. They are brainwashed and lied to about their past. Who can dispute the above ??

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by narenpande1

[narenpande1]

DEAR( educated) PAKISTANIS, below are pearls of 100 % truth for you.  The world knows that lies that are fed to you by your leaders and military. Below facts can be verified from any neutral source.

 

 

1)  Difference in leaders between India and Pakistan:

Before the idea of Pakistan was conceived, the Indian subcontinent had gained independence from the British empire. 

Our freedom fighters Gandhi, Nehru, Sardar Patel..etc did most of the heavy lifting to free the Indian subcontinent of the British and gave away their entire life to freedom struggle and went to prison hundreds of times.  

Please find out what your " leaders " Jinnah, Iqbal and Liaquat Ali Khan did for freedom struggle of the subcontinent. How many times they went to jail. Is it any wonder that Gandhi is a global icon who inspired the likes Nelson Mandela and  Martin Luther King, whereas Jinnah was seen even by the West as a devious and conniving power hungry Muslim leader who did jack to free the subcontinent from the British. Gandhi inspired  freedom struggles against colonial powers all over the world. Nobody apart from Pakistanis have any respect for Jinnah.

 

2) Difference in ideology between India and Pakistan: 

From the moment India gained independence, India was the LEADER of the non-aligned moment and always saw itself as a shining light for the world. I am not a fan of Nehru's economic policies, but Nehru promoted collaboration with top 5 industrialized nations and built engineering institutes of excellence in the country so that India could be a technology leader at some point. Today India is a software superpower. India in anything it does aspires to be a leader. People talk about the Indian century. It is here already. Our economic growth cannot be stopped. We are destined to lead the world...we atleast have this belief among us.

 

Whereas Pakistan's Liaquat ali Khan went to America from day 1 and begged US for funds and build up its military to Western standards so that it could keep attacking India and threatening India's existence. Till date, Pakistan survives on charity from World Bank, IMF, US, China, Saudis...

 

3) Playing the India bogey and lieing about existential threat from India:

 

Your media and school text books lie about Indian aggression and existential threat from India but lets look at the facts.

1947 Pakistan attacked India: Pakistan sends tribal militants and army regulars to attack and occupy Kashmir by force, when the division of the subcontinent was to happen based on instrument of accession -which went in India's favor in Kashmir.

1965 Pakistan attacked India: Pakistani generals plotted Operation grand slam, and Gibralter infiltrated militants in Kashmir to wrest it by force.

And attacked Indian forward air bases. India retaliates in defense. You set out to wrest Kashmir by force and you end up with a war situation where you are forced to defend Lahore and Sialkot. You celebrate your " defense day " based on this war. When in fact according to every damn source in the world - YOU ATTACKED INDIA first. This is another litany of filthy lies that your populace lives on.

1971 India attacks and breaks Pakistan to 2:  India was attacked in 1962 out of the blue by China in our most vulnerable areas, Pakistan attacks India in 1965. India had had enough by now. It finally started building a credible military capability and planning. Pakistan

does not help itself by commiting the worst genocide inflicted by a country upon its on people, slaughtering 3 million East Pakistanis.

India not willing to take the flux of refugees decides to land a crushing blow and breaks Pakistan in 2 weeks with local help.

1971 still rankles Pakistan that because India disintegrated Pakistan. Well did Pakistan not attack India in 1965 ? The only difference is

Pakistan failed miserably whereas India succeeded amazingly. You brought it upon yourself. India needed to send a message to its neighbours, if you attack India, be prepared for retaliation like this.

India's kindness in 1971 - Pakistan was on its knees and completed humiliated with 90000 PoWs, and military broken. Had India wanted

we could have snatched the Kashmir you occupy by force in such an atmosphere and you would not have been able to defend it. Instead India signed the Shimla agreement.

 

1999 Kargil, Pakistan intrudes India : Pakistan sends 1000 + intruders and occupies Kargil betryaing India's trust after Vajpayee and Sharif meet in Lahore. Sharif himself said Pakistan had backstabbed India. Pakistan is exposed as the aggressor across the world, loses face and 3000 + militants + NLI troops. Pakistan is yet again caught with its pants down lieing that the infiltrators where non-state actors/freedom fighters. 

Yet another among the thousands of lies that Pakistanis are fed on.

 

In summary Pakistan wages 3 out of 4 wars against India, yet lies to its people that India is the agggressor and threatens Pakistan.

 

 

 

4, 5, and 6 on another day. More truths..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by narenpande1

[mishra]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Any proof of such tall claims that Russia, England, Germany, Iran are part of CPEC or is it yet another Pak fantasy ?

 

Russia and Germany cant be in same boat.

[velu]

Pakistan can make more money if they play three or four test matches with us