CPEC has ZERO economic viability, its a massive cost. Is the purpose something else?

[panther]

2 minutes ago, velu said:

Pakistan can make more money if they play three or four test matches with us

Isi needs to invest more money in to 'love jihad'. 

[panther]

6 hours ago, narenpande1 said:

 

Here is what Pakistan and Pakistaniyat is in reality:

 

When Pakistan was formed as a nation for Indian muslims , half of the muslims decided to be a part of secular India.

The idea of Pakistan failed then and there for the 1st time. But when Pakistan was formed anyway, Pakistani leadership thought that

if they exist just as a South Asian Muslim country, that would not justify their conception as half the muslims were in India.

 

Hence, Pakistan decided to position itself as semi-Arab, semi-Central Asian country to distinguish itself. Hence started the Islamization.

 

Pakistan was happy positioning itself as a second rate Central Asian state or a third rate Arab state than a proud South Asian state.

And hence, they started to be in denial about their past and ancestry and made " heroes" out of the Central Asian invaders of current day Pakistan like Abdali, Ghaznavi, Babur and naming their made in China missiles after them..etc.

 

This is the reality of Pakistan. They are brainwashed and lied to about their past. Who can dispute the above ??

 

That's all irrelevent Pakistan is not going to realign itself with India again, Pakistanis are brainwashed now it's too late, and Indians don't want pakistan to join back with india, No way you guys would accept 200 mil muslims added to your country. 

[sandeep]

After 20 years of incredible growth, China has been slowing down for the past few years, and has massive build up in infrastructure capacity that is not needed at home anymore - they have already built thousands of miles of roads and rail in their country, they also have capital to invest. Enter OBOR (One Belt One Road)  - invest the surplus capital and capacity in client or weak nations in the name of development - always as loans, never as grants - assured returns for the capital and companies that would have been idle otherwise.  Viability of the project is not as important - if it succeeds as an economic corridor, great.  But even if it doesn't, for China its a reasonable win-win scenario.  This yarn is being played out in Central Asia as well as Pakistan.   

 

Our poor greenbros have been doing a lot of Dhol-peeting and choking the chicken over CPEC, but reality is that most of the project terms favor china - whether its power plants,roads or railways.  The term structure of the projects guarantees profitable outcomes for the Chinese companies, and does not link it or condition it on Pakistan's benefit.  To be fair however, it is somewhat of a positive thing for Pakistan, because other than China, they are really struggling to get any sort of investment in their country, so that's fine.  But its nowhere near the "big deal" that Pak makes it out to be.  They are getting old technology - coal power plants, crappy roads etc at full price.  But CPEC is more about the narrative than the substance - Pakistanis love the grand story and the grand savior.  Before it was Uncle Sam - he was their 'ally' and they were the "most allied ally" and their ally was going to take them to greatness.  Then it was Uncle Saud, the rich regals of the Ummah were going to take their fellow momeen to greatness (in exchange for a mortgage on the nukes, but ssssshhhhh!).  Now its Uncle Cheen, Iron Brother is going to help Pakistan rise from its terorrism ashes into greatness - because Pak-China Bhai Bhai - not because China finds it useful to keep India distracted with Pakistan, or it wants Gwadar as a cheap strategic naval base, close to the Persian Gulf.  

 

CPEC also helps keep the natives from getting restless - "good times are coming!  Uncle Cheen is bringing the goodies!"  And of course, provides another line to feed them - "India is jealous of CPEC".   This line automatically insulates anything CPEC related from any sort of criticism, thereby freeing up the Pak jagirdars and politicians from banking their usual "commissions".  

[Deucalion]

On 11/29/2016 at 0:31 PM, Muloghonto said:

Any proof of such tall claims that Russia, are part of CPEC or is it yet another Pak fantasy ?

 

It was first published in the Dawn ( Gospel turth for indians). 

[Deucalion]

On 11/29/2016 at 6:02 PM, Muloghonto said:

You name your missiles Ghauri, Ghaznavi. Yet Mohammeds of Ghor & Ghanza utterly raped, pillaged, genocided and burnt to hell everything in what is Pakistan today, except for FATA region& Baluchistan. The Pashtuns united with Ghazna to genocide the Kambojas, who lived in the Khyber & Malakand region till then. He then utterly raped, pillaged, killed & plundered vast swathes of Punjab & Sindh, where 90% Pakistanis come from.

 

So basically, you celebrate the ones who killed, raped & enslaved your direct ancestors.

 

so we got raped and killed.

i. what about the Indian muslims ?

ii. how they got converted to Islam ? can you plz explain it. 

[Deucalion]

On 11/29/2016 at 8:32 PM, narenpande1 said:

 

Here is what Pakistan and Pakistaniyat is in reality:

 

When Pakistan was formed as a nation for Indian muslims , half of the muslims decided to be a part of secular India.

The idea of Pakistan failed then and there for the 1st time. But when Pakistan was formed anyway, Pakistani leadership thought that

if they exist just as a South Asian Muslim country, that would not justify their conception as half the muslims were in India.

 

Hence, Pakistan decided to position itself as semi-Arab, semi-Central Asian country to distinguish itself. Hence started the Islamization.

 

Pakistan was happy positioning itself as a second rate Central Asian state or a third rate Arab state than a proud South Asian state.

And hence, they started to be in denial about their past and ancestry and made " heroes" out of the Central Asian invaders of current day Pakistan like Abdali, Ghaznavi, Babur and naming their made in China missiles after them..etc.

 

This is the reality of Pakistan. They are brainwashed and lied to about their past. Who can dispute the above ??

 

 

On 11/29/2016 at 9:08 PM, narenpande1 said:

DEAR( educated) PAKISTANIS, below are pearls of 100 % truth for you.  The world knows that lies that are fed to you by your leaders and military. Below facts can be verified from any neutral source.

 

 

1)  Difference in leaders between India and Pakistan:

Before the idea of Pakistan was conceived, the Indian subcontinent had gained independence from the British empire. 

Our freedom fighters Gandhi, Nehru, Sardar Patel..etc did most of the heavy lifting to free the Indian subcontinent of the British and gave away their entire life to freedom struggle and went to prison hundreds of times.  

Please find out what your " leaders " Jinnah, Iqbal and Liaquat Ali Khan did for freedom struggle of the subcontinent. How many times they went to jail. Is it any wonder that Gandhi is a global icon who inspired the likes Nelson Mandela and  Martin Luther King, whereas Jinnah was seen even by the West as a devious and conniving power hungry Muslim leader who did jack to free the subcontinent from the British. Gandhi inspired  freedom struggles against colonial powers all over the world. Nobody apart from Pakistanis have any respect for Jinnah.

 

2) Difference in ideology between India and Pakistan: 

From the moment India gained independence, India was the LEADER of the non-aligned moment and always saw itself as a shining light for the world. I am not a fan of Nehru's economic policies, but Nehru promoted collaboration with top 5 industrialized nations and built engineering institutes of excellence in the country so that India could be a technology leader at some point. Today India is a software superpower. India in anything it does aspires to be a leader. People talk about the Indian century. It is here already. Our economic growth cannot be stopped. We are destined to lead the world...we atleast have this belief among us.

 

Whereas Pakistan's Liaquat ali Khan went to America from day 1 and begged US for funds and build up its military to Western standards so that it could keep attacking India and threatening India's existence. Till date, Pakistan survives on charity from World Bank, IMF, US, China, Saudis...

 

3) Playing the India bogey and lieing about existential threat from India:

 

Your media and school text books lie about Indian aggression and existential threat from India but lets look at the facts.

1947 Pakistan attacked India: Pakistan sends tribal militants and army regulars to attack and occupy Kashmir by force, when the division of the subcontinent was to happen based on instrument of accession -which went in India's favor in Kashmir.

1965 Pakistan attacked India: Pakistani generals plotted Operation grand slam, and Gibralter infiltrated militants in Kashmir to wrest it by force.

And attacked Indian forward air bases. India retaliates in defense. You set out to wrest Kashmir by force and you end up with a war situation where you are forced to defend Lahore and Sialkot. You celebrate your " defense day " based on this war. When in fact according to every damn source in the world - YOU ATTACKED INDIA first. This is another litany of filthy lies that your populace lives on.

1971 India attacks and breaks Pakistan to 2:  India was attacked in 1962 out of the blue by China in our most vulnerable areas, Pakistan attacks India in 1965. India had had enough by now. It finally started building a credible military capability and planning. Pakistan

does not help itself by commiting the worst genocide inflicted by a country upon its on people, slaughtering 3 million East Pakistanis.

India not willing to take the flux of refugees decides to land a crushing blow and breaks Pakistan in 2 weeks with local help.

1971 still rankles Pakistan that because India disintegrated Pakistan. Well did Pakistan not attack India in 1965 ? The only difference is

Pakistan failed miserably whereas India succeeded amazingly. You brought it upon yourself. India needed to send a message to its neighbours, if you attack India, be prepared for retaliation like this.

India's kindness in 1971 - Pakistan was on its knees and completed humiliated with 90000 PoWs, and military broken. Had India wanted

we could have snatched the Kashmir you occupy by force in such an atmosphere and you would not have been able to defend it. Instead India signed the Shimla agreement.

 

1999 Kargil, Pakistan intrudes India : Pakistan sends 1000 + intruders and occupies Kargil betryaing India's trust after Vajpayee and Sharif meet in Lahore. Sharif himself said Pakistan had backstabbed India. Pakistan is exposed as the aggressor across the world, loses face and 3000 + militants + NLI troops. Pakistan is yet again caught with its pants down lieing that the infiltrators where non-state actors/freedom fighters. 

Yet another among the thousands of lies that Pakistanis are fed on.

 

In summary Pakistan wages 3 out of 4 wars against India, yet lies to its people that India is the agggressor and threatens Pakistan.

 

 

 

4, 5, and 6 on another day. More truths..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

again, you didnt reply me. why do you care ? and now you try to change the topic of this thread. ist CPEC thread or Pak-indo history thread ? 

[Deucalion]

15 hours ago, sandeep said:

After 20 years of incredible growth, China has been slowing down for the past few years, and has massive build up in infrastructure capacity that is not needed at home anymore - they have already built thousands of miles of roads and rail in their country, they also have capital to invest. Enter OBOR (One Belt One Road)  - invest the surplus capital and capacity in client or weak nations in the name of development - always as loans, never as grants - assured returns for the capital and companies that would have been idle otherwise.  Viability of the project is not as important - if it succeeds as an economic corridor, great.  But even if it doesn't, for China its a reasonable win-win scenario.  This yarn is being played out in Central Asia as well as Pakistan.   

 

Our poor greenbros have been doing a lot of Dhol-peeting and choking the chicken over CPEC, but reality is that most of the project terms favor china - whether its power plants,roads or railways.  The term structure of the projects guarantees profitable outcomes for the Chinese companies, and does not link it or condition it on Pakistan's benefit.  To be fair however, it is somewhat of a positive thing for Pakistan, because other than China, they are really struggling to get any sort of investment in their country, so that's fine.  But its nowhere near the "big deal" that Pak makes it out to be.  They are getting old technology - coal power plants, crappy roads etc at full price.  But CPEC is more about the narrative than the substance - Pakistanis love the grand story and the grand savior.  Before it was Uncle Sam - he was their 'ally' and they were the "most allied ally" and their ally was going to take them to greatness.  Then it was Uncle Saud, the rich regals of the Ummah were going to take their fellow momeen to greatness (in exchange for a mortgage on the nukes, but ssssshhhhh!).  Now its Uncle Cheen, Iron Brother is going to help Pakistan rise from its terorrism ashes into greatness - because Pak-China Bhai Bhai - not because China finds it useful to keep India distracted with Pakistan, or it wants Gwadar as a cheap strategic naval base, close to the Persian Gulf.  

 

CPEC also helps keep the natives from getting restless - "good times are coming!  Uncle Cheen is bringing the goodies!"  And of course, provides another line to feed them - "India is jealous of CPEC".   This line automatically insulates anything CPEC related from any sort of criticism, thereby freeing up the Pak jagirdars and politicians from banking their usual "commissions".  

and whats your concern ? 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Deucalion said:

so we got raped and killed.

i. what about the Indian muslims ?

ii. how they got converted to Islam ? can you plz explain it. 

Same way mostly.

My point is, Pakistanis have no pride in their ancestors. But other countries do. Look at Iran. They don't name their missiles or weapons 'Al Khaleed' or 'Waleed' or 'Abu Bakr'  or any such nonsense, because Iranians are proud of their Iranian culture and they don't go glorifying those who slaughtered them, even if they follow the same religion as the slaughterer and are muslims today because of those genociders.

 

 

[sandeep]

2 minutes ago, Deucalion said:

and whats your concern ? 

Concern?  Nada.  This is a thread on an Indian forum discussing developments in its geographic neighborhood.  A collaboration between India's top 2 external threats - one terrorist-based, the other economic, will obviously be of interest.  

 

But this is another tactic used by our greenbros to stick fingers in their ears and scream out "la, la, la, what's your concern" every time they hear objective criticism that doesn't jive with the propaganda churned out by ISPR.  Its right in line with "oooh India's jealous".  

 

Bro, read what I posted, and see if you find anything false in there.  If you have opinions or facts that dispute what I posted, I'm all ears.  But if you want to descend into BS like "what's your concern" then its your loss.

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Same way mostly.

My point is, Pakistanis have no pride in their ancestors. But other countries do. Look at Iran. They don't name their missiles or weapons 'Al Khaleed' or 'Waleed' or 'Abu Bakr'  or any such nonsense, because Iranians are proud of their Iranian culture and they don't go glorifying those who slaughtered them, even if they follow the same religion as the slaughterer and are muslims today because of those genociders.

 

 

Stockhom syndrome.  Played out over generations.  Easier to identify with the conquering Daakus, then their hapless victims.  I bet you at least one of the our greenbro posters on this thread will claim to have "syed" lineage.  

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Stockhom syndrome.  Played out over generations.  Easier to identify with the conquering Daakus, then their hapless victims.  I bet you at least one of the our greenbro posters on this thread will claim to have "syed" lineage.  

They are as much Sayyid as they are Khans. Ie, adopted names. 

Look at Pashtuns- they got utterly annihilated by Genghis Khan & Hulegu Khan. And Khan is a Turco-Mongol title, basically meaning 'King/leader'. Not a single Pashtun was a Khan before the Mongols annihilated them,raped them, pillaged them. Now practically all of them are Khans. 

Pashtuns/Punjabis etc. got their Khan & Sayyid names the same way you see African people in Caribbean/America getting names like Walsh, Cummins, Richardson, etc : they were slaves in the estate of white people who were named Richardson, Cummins, Walsh, etc. and when they got their freedoms, they took the name of their slave masters. Same way we have Sayyids, Khans, etc in Pakistan- slaves who took the names of their masters.

 

[sandeep]

^ ok true as that might be.  No need to rub our greenbros noses too much in that unappetizing reality.  

[Deucalion]

14 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Same way mostly.

My point is, Pakistanis have no pride in their ancestors. But other countries do. Look at Iran. They don't name their missiles or weapons 'Al Khaleed' or 'Waleed' or 'Abu Bakr'  or any such nonsense, because Iranians are proud of their Iranian culture and they don't go glorifying those who slaughtered them, even if they follow the same religion as the slaughterer and are muslims today because of those genociders.

 

 

so you trying to say that all Muslims living in Indo-Pak are the results of Rapes ? 

btw bhai sahab, Al-khalid or Waleed or Abu Bakr names have nothing to do with Indo-Pak Invading.  

[Deucalion]

14 hours ago, sandeep said:

Concern?  Nada.  This is a thread on an Indian forum discussing developments in its geographic neighborhood.  A collaboration between India's top 2 external threats - one terrorist-based, the other economic, will obviously be of interest.  

 

But this is another tactic used by our greenbros to stick fingers in their ears and scream out "la, la, la, what's your concern" every time they hear objective criticism that doesn't jive with the propaganda churned out by ISPR.  Its right in line with "oooh India's jealous".  

 

Bro, read what I posted, and see if you find anything false in there.  If you have opinions or facts that dispute what I posted, I'm all ears.  But if you want to descend into BS like "what's your concern" then its your loss.

ok. thn carry on with your Usual thing. 

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Deucalion said:

so you trying to say that all Muslims living in Indo-Pak are the results of Rapes ? 

btw bhai sahab, Al-khalid or Waleed or Abu Bakr names have nothing to do with Indo-Pak Invading.  

They have something with invading Iran and turning it muslim. And yet the Iranians don't name the guns and bombs after them. Why ? Coz they have pride. You guys name your guns and bombs after the very same people who raped and pillaged your ancestors. Why ? because you guys got no pride.

 

PS: Most Indian muslims are muslims because : 
a) Rape, pillage etc. Which is why areas where muslims did not rule directly (e.g.: orissa, Chattisgarh, Assam, etc) there are hardly any muslims. 

b) Dhimmi tax. 

[Deucalion]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

They have something with invading Iran and turning it muslim. And yet the Iranians don't name the guns and bombs after them. Why ? Coz they have pride. You guys name your guns and bombs after the very same people who raped and pillaged your ancestors. Why ? because you guys got no pride.

 

PS: Most Indian muslims are muslims because : 
a) Rape, pillage etc. Which is why areas where muslims did not rule directly (e.g.: orissa, Chattisgarh, Assam, etc) there are hardly any muslims. 

b) Dhimmi tax. 

Names of some weapons system from Iran-

1. Iran's "Tareq-class" submarine

2.  Emad , missile

3. Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - Sayyad-2 (Air Defence)

4. BABR 400 - 8x8 HMT

5. Nasir - 40mm automatic grenade launcher

 

So, basically mostly Indian muslims are the result of the rapes. Ok. thanks for the explaining. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, Deucalion said:

Names of some weapons system from Iran-

1. Iran's "Tareq-class" submarine

2.  Emad , missile

3. Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - Sayyad-2 (Air Defence)

4. BABR 400 - 8x8 HMT

5. Nasir - 40mm automatic grenade launcher

 

So, basically mostly Indian muslims are the result of the rapes. Ok. thanks for the explaining. 

 

 

1. Tareq, emad, sayyad, babr, nasir are not names of people who invaded and genocided Iran. Those names are Abu Bakr, Khalid ibn Walid, Sayyid Abi Waqqas, Umar Ibn Khattab, etc.

 

2. If most Indian muslims are not a result of rapes and pillages, explain to us why areas of India where muslims did not rule directly, such as Orissa, Assam, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, etc. have <5% muslims. 

[panther]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Same way mostly.

My point is, Pakistanis have no pride in their ancestors. But other countries do. Look at Iran. They don't name their missiles or weapons 'Al Khaleed' or 'Waleed' or 'Abu Bakr'  or any such nonsense, because Iranians are proud of their Iranian culture and they don't go glorifying those who slaughtered them, even if they follow the same religion as the slaughterer and are muslims today because of those genociders.

 

 

false persians before Safavid rule would name their sons Abu bakr, Omar and Khalid etc etc.

[sandeep]

7 hours ago, panther said:

Isi needs to invest more money in to 'love jihad'. 

OK that's actually funny.  

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, panther said:

false persians before Safavid rule would name their sons Abu bakr, Omar and Khalid etc etc.

where do u get such nonsense ?

 

list of Persian rulers:

(Dayubids)

• Gil Gavbara (640-660)
• Dabuya (660-676)
• Farrukhan the Great (712-728)
• Dadhburzmihr (728-740/41)
• Farrukhan the Little (740/41-747/48) as regent for
• Khurshid (741-759/60)

• Farrukhzad (651–665)
• Valash (usurper, 665–673)
• Surkhab I (673–717)
• Mihr Mardan (717–755)
• Surkhab II (755–772)
• Sharwin I (772–817)
• Shahriyar I (817–825)
• Shapur (825)
• Rule by the Karenid Mazyar (825-839)
• Qarin I (839–867)
• Rustam I (867–895)
• Sharwin II (896–930)
• Shahriyar II (930–964)
• Rustam II (964–979)
• Al-Marzuban (979–986)
• Sharwin III (986)
• Shahriyar III (986-987)
• Al-Marzuban (987–998)
• Shahriyar III (998)
• Al-Marzuban (998-1006)
• Abu Ja'far Muhammad (???-1027)
• Qarin II (1057-1074)

Ispahbadhiyya[edit]

• Shahriyar IV (1074–1114)
• Qarin III (1114–1117)
• Rustam III (1117–1118)
• Ali I (1118–1142)
• Shah Ghazi Rustam IV (1142–1165)
• Hasan I (1165–1173)
• Ardashir I (1173–1205)
• Rustam V (1205–1210)

Kinkhwariyya[edit]

• Ardashir II (1238–1249)
• Muhammad (1249–1271)
• Ali II (1271)
• Yazdagird (1271–1300)
• Shahriyar V (1300–1310)
• Kay Khusraw ibn Yazdagird (1310–1328)
• Sharaf al-Muluk (1328-1334)
• Hasan II

Tahir ibn Husayn	821-822
Talha ibn Tahir	822-828
Abdallah ibn Tahir al-Khurasani	828-845
Tahir (II) ibn Abdallah	845-862
Muhammad ibn Tahir (II)	862-873
Governors of Baghdad
Tahir ibn Husayn	820-822
Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Mus'abi	822-850
Muhammad ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim	850-851
Abdallah ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim	851
Muhammad ibn Abdallah ibn Tahir	851-867
Ubaydallah ibn Abdallah ibn Tahir	867-869
Sulayman ibn Abdallah ibn Tahir	869-879
Ubaydallah ibn Abdallah (again)	879-885
Muhammad ibn Tahir (II)	885-890
Ubaydallah ibn Abdallah (again)

 

Saman Khuda Persian: سامان خدا‎‎ (A Persian landowner from the village of Saman in Balkh province in northern Afghanistan, he arrived in Merv to the court of the Umayyad governor of Khorasan, Asad ibn Abdallah al-Qasri, under whose influence he became a Muslim and served the governor till his death. He was the founder of the Samanid dynasty)
	Asad ibn Saman Persian: اسد بن سامان‎‎
	Nuh ibn Asad Persian: نوح بن اسد‎‎ 819–841/2	Ahmad ibn Asad Persian: احمد بن اسد‎‎ 819–864/5	Yahya ibn Asad Persian: یحییٰ بن اسد‎‎ 819–855	Ilyas ibn Asad Persian: الیاس بن اسد‎‎ 819–856
	Ahmad ibn Asad Persian: احمد بن اسد‎‎ 819–864/5			Ibrahim ibn Ilyas Persian: ابراهیم بن الیاس‎‎ 856–867
Abu Ibrahim Isma'il ibn Ahmad Persian: ابو ابراهیم اسماعیل بن احمد‎‎ 892–907	Nasr I Persian: نصر بن احمد‎‎ 864–892		Ya'qub ibn Ahmad Persian: یعقوب بن احمد‎‎ ?	Tahirids
Abu Ibrahim Isma'il ibn Ahmad Persian: ابو ابراهیم اسماعیل بن احمد‎‎ 892–907
Ahmad ibn Isma'il Persian: احمد بن اسماعیل‎‎ 907–914
Nasr II Persian: ابوالحسن نصر بن احمد‎‎ 914–943
Nuh I Persian: نوح بن نصر‎‎ 943–954
Ibrahim ibn Ahmad Persian: ابراهیم بن احمد‎‎ 947
Abd al-Malik ibn Nuh I Persian: عبدالملک بن نوح‎‎ 954–961
Abu Salih Mansur ibn Nuh I Persian: ابو صالح منصور بن نوح‎‎ 961–976
Nuh ibn Mansur Persian: نوح بن منصور‎‎ 976–997
Abd al-Aziz Persian: عبدالعزیز‎‎ 992
Abu'l-Harith Mansur ibn Nuh II Persian: ابو الحارث منصور بن نوح‎‎ 997–999
Abd al-Malik ibn Nuh II Persian: عبدالمالک بن نوح‎‎ 999
Isma'il Muntasir ibn Nuh II

 

Ya'qub ibn Layth یعقوب بن اللیث	861-879 CE
Amir أمیر	Amr ibn al-Layth عمرو بن اللیث	879-901 CE
Amir أمیر Abul-Hasan أبو الحسن	Tahir ibn Muhammad ibn Amr طاھر بن محمد بن عمرو co-ruler Ya'qub ibn Muhammad ibn Amr	901-908 CE
Amir أمیر	al-Layth ibn 'Ali اللیث بن علي	908-910 CE
Amir أمیر	Muhammad ibn 'Ali محمد بن علي	910-911 CE
Amir أمیر	Al-Mu'addal ibn 'Ali المعضل ابن علي	911 CE
Amir أمیر Abu Hafs ابو حفص	Amr ibn Ya'qub ibn Muhammad ibn Amr عمرو بن یعقوب بن محمد بن عمرو	912-913 CE
Samanid occupation 913-922 CE.
Amir أمیر Abu Ja'far ابو جعفر	Ahmed ibn Muhammad ibn Khalaf ibn Layth ibn 'Ali	922-963 CE
Amir أمیر Wali-ud-Daulah ولي الدولة	Khalaf ibn Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalaf ibn al-Layth ibn 'Ali

• Imad al-Dawla (934–949)
• 'Adud al-Dawla (949–983)
• Sharaf al-Dawla (983–989)
• Samsam al-Dawla (989–998)
• Baha' al-Dawla (998–1012)
• Sultan al-Dawla (1012–1024)
• Abu Kalijar (1024–1048)
• Abu Mansur Fulad Sutun (1048–1051)
• Abu Sa'd Khusrau Shah (1051–1054)
• Abu Mansur Fulad Sutun (1051–1062)

 

Buyid era art: Painted, incised, and glazed earthenware. Dated 10th century, Iran. New York Metropolitan Museum of Art.

Buyids in Ray

• Rukn al-Dawla (935–976)
• Fakhr al-Dawla (976–980)
• Mu'ayyad al-Dawla (980–983)
• Fakhr al-Dawla (restored) (984–997)
• Majd al-Dawla (997–1029)

Buyids in Iraq

• Mu'izz al-Dawla (945–967)
• 'Izz al-Dawla (966–978)
• 'Adud al-Dawla (978–983)
• Samsam al-Dawla (983–987)
• Sharaf al-Dawla (987–989)
• Baha' al-Dawla (989–1012)
• Sultan al-Dawla (1012–1021)
• Musharrif al-Dawla (1021–1025)
• Jalal al-Dawla (1025–1044)
• Abu Kalijar (1044–1048)
• Al-Malik al-Rahim (1048–1055)

 

 

So where are your Abu Bakr, Omar and Khalids ??