Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, SUMO said: ganguly on cricinfo match point today said that he sees rahul as ODI keeper 2 years down the line Seems unnecessary. One of Pant or Kishan could make it to the team. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, SUMO said: yeah vihari and bawne particularly are scoring in bulk season after season but doesnt even get chance in A games suprisingly It's because they have no backers amongst the selectors, because of their unglamorous game. Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SUMO said: ganguly on cricinfo match point today said that he sees rahul as ODI keeper 2 years down the line Yeah, said the guy who made Dravid keep in ODIs. Its an option, but I wouldn't say its a preferred one. Better to find a young quality keeper who can bat well a la Panth etc. Edited December 9, 2016 by sandeep Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 panchal could turn out to be our keaton jennings mediocre stats but one jackpot season Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SUMO said: panchal could turn out to be our keaton jennings mediocre stats but one jackpot season Panchal has actually been improving continuously. For many seasons, he averaged around high 20s and late 30s. Last season, he scored 665 runs in 8 matches at an avg of 55. Now, everyone knows how he has done this season. Hence, I think that he's finally beginning to find his bearings in FC Edited December 9, 2016 by Vijy SUMO 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, sandeep said: Yeah, said the guy who made Dravid keep in ODIs. Its an option, but I wouldn't say its a preferred one. dada has got the knack of identifying talent he has always picked players on looks not by stats Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Vijy said: Panchal has actually been improving continuously. For many seasons, he averaged around high 20s and late 30s. Last season, he scored 665 runs in 8 matches at an avg of 55. Now, everyone knows this season. Hence, I think that he's finally beginning to find his bearings in FC yeah , hearing many praises for him and his stroke play etc. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, SUMO said: dada has got the knack of identifying talent he has always picked players on looks not by stats Just because it worked with one Rahul doesn't mean it will work with another. Dravid was a very effective keeper-bat in ODIs - shelled some chances, but averaged around 45 at a time when most keepers were struggling to average even 30; Gilly had 36 then I think. sandeep 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, SUMO said: yeah , hearing many praises for him and his stroke play etc. Yes, people are saying great things about his cover drive SUMO 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Vijy said: Just because it worked with one Rahul doesn't mean it will work with another. Dravid was a very effective keeper-bat in ODIs - shelled some chances, but averaged around 45 at a time when most keepers were struggling to average even 30; Gilly had 36 then I think. not just about dravid the way he backed sehwag when he was nothing player in domestics yuvraj, kaif, nehra, zak, bhajji all not more than just a rookie in domestics that time btw I think pant or kishan will be our keeper but who knows dada could be right also Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Vijy said: Yes, people are saying great things about his cover drive Parameters I would check regarding any potential test batsmen are -- Off-stump game -- How they handle the rising short ball -- How they play quality spin sandeep and Vijy 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, SUMO said: not just about dravid the way he backed sehwag when he was nothing player in domestics yuvraj, kaif, nehra, zak, bhajji all not more than just a rookie in domestics that time btw I think pant or kishan will be our keeper but who knows dada could be right also Sehwag was not nothing - yes, he didn't have 50+ FC avg, but I'm pretty sure he had around 43-45. Also, Sehwag originally entered through ODIs, where he was seen as a batting allrounder. The real masterstroke was getting him to open, not in selecting him (since his initial selection in ODS was as allrounder, and in Tests as middle order bat). SUMO and sandeep 2 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Parameters I would check regarding any potential test batsmen are -- Off-stump game -- How they handle the rising short ball -- How they play quality spin Imran khan used to bowl to young talented batsman himself in nets .. the one who could play straight drive and pull were picked right away express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: Parameters I would check regarding any potential test batsmen are -- Off-stump game -- How they handle the rising short ball -- How they play quality spin Haven't see Panchal on either counts. Based on the short Youtube clips, answer to (iii) seems promising. Based on the interview I read recently, (i) seems to have improved greatly (compared to past). Dunno about (ii). SUMO and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Based on my criteria specified in the first point, Prashant Chopra ought to be excluded (over 24) but he is having an excellent season. His SR and batting position (opener) is reminiscent a bit of the great Sehwag - if only we could unearth a like-for-like replacement for our buccaneering opener. Edited December 9, 2016 by Vijy Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Vijy said: Sehwag was not nothing - yes, he didn't have 50+ FC avg, but I'm pretty sure he had around 43-45. Also, Sehwag originally entered through ODIs, where he was seen as a batting allrounder. The real masterstroke was getting him to open, not in selecting him (since his initial selection in ODS was as allrounder, and in Tests as middle order bat). he was being sent to hong kong sixes cricket and dada picked him for next test series also I remember viru had about 20-25 failure in odis his initial career averaging around 23 or so then he made him open with him against NZ and that epic 69 ball hundred happened, he never looked back thereafter Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Surprising that, so far, no one has voted "Other" in this poll - there are players like Iyer, Kishan, Nathu Singh, etc. who would have fallen under that category. Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 57 minutes ago, Vijy said: Based on my criteria specified in the first point, Prashant Chopra ought to be excluded (over 24) but he is having an excellent season. His SR and batting position (opener) is reminiscent a bit of the great Sehwag - if only we could unearth a like-for-like replacement for our buccaneering opener. Hard to find like-for-like for Sehwag - he was truly one of a kind. Never seen any test opener bat like that - and succeed, like him. Ever. Dude was just wired differently, just filtered out the fear, apprehension, self-doubt etc at the moment of delivery. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 minute ago, sandeep said: Hard to find like-for-like for Sehwag - he was truly one of a kind. Never seen any test opener bat like that - and succeed, like him. Ever. Dude was just wired differently, just filtered out the fear, apprehension, self-doubt etc at the moment of delivery. I'm not saying that we need to someone exacltly like him. But finding an opener who can avg 45+ at an SR of 60+ itself seems very difficult at the moment. Monk is very inconsistent, and I'm not a fan of Rahul' batting yet (maybe he'll improve later). I think that Chopra should be sent on some A tours now, along with Panchal and Mukund. Link to comment
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