Anderson questions Kohli technique

[Riju23]

I agree that it shows we are in their heads a bit. I hope our players don't read into this too much - can't expect the enemy to sing our praises 24/7. It's just tough talk similar to what Parthiv said. Kohli's bat has done all the talking necessary from our end.

[mishra]

22 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Missed that.  That's quite a petty mind game if true.

There may be video available. I was watching the game live at time and it was definitely there. You could also see Kohli a bit neither happy/nor unhappy with wide eyes and dry mouth , who could have refused but accepted it.

[G_B_]

8 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Wow, who writes this dross. The twisted headlines from some of these papers are unbelievable on the basis of that interview.

Its the times as well, not even a tabloid.

[Vijy]

11 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Wow, who writes this dross. The twisted headlines from some of these papers are unbelievable on the basis of that interview.

I thought it was the Daily Mail, but it wasn't...I'm stumped for words.

[G_B_]

8 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Talk about victims mentality. If it were true why didn't Kohli simply say no?

How is this a victim. The victim mentality is when you blame somebody for your short comings. This is along the same lines of Sangakara asking the bowler to bowl a no ball to deny Viru a century.

 

As i said, its just mean spirited. 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

How is this a victim. The victim mentality is when you blame somebody for your short comings. This is along the same lines of Sangakara asking the bowler to bowl a no ball to deny Viru a century.

 

As i said, its just mean spirited. 

Sanga's actions were much more blatant. This "smirk" on Cook's face has not yet been confirmed beyond a doubt, unlike Sanga and Randiv.

[G_B_]

and its not the first time with Anderson

 

So during the world cup 2015 Anderson came up with another the excuse that the Jadeja incident was behind his poor form. This is the victim mentality.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2015/content/story/860469.html

 

Quote

 

"I've definitely been different since that incident," Anderson said. "And it probably affected me during the World Cup.

"It didn't affect me during that India series because there was still that real determination to win; I was aggressive without being over the top.

"But in the World Cup, there was a constant sense that the ICC were watching.

 

 

[G_B_]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

Sanga's actions were much more blatant. This "smirk" on Cook's face has not yet been confirmed beyond a doubt, unlike Sanga and Randiv.

He knew exactly what he was doing.  Thats always how Cook has operated. Even when he was captain at Essex, he has done this.

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

and its not the first time with Anderson

 

So during the world cup 2015 Anderson came up with another the excuse that the Jadeja incident was behind his poor form. This is the victim mentality.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-england-2015/content/story/860469.html

 

 

Constant sense that the ICC was watching.. seems to have confused NSA and ICC here Andi.

[Tibarn]

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
overall	2003-2016	122	228	4473.2	1097	13310	467	7/43	11/71	28.50	2.97	57.4	21	3	Profile

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
in Australia	2006-2014	13	26	497.0	111	1653	43	4/44	7/127	38.44	3.32	69.3	0	0
in England	2003-2016	69	131	2575.2	664	7588	296	7/43	11/71	25.63	2.94	52.2	17	3
in India	2006-2016	10	18	309.5	71	870	26	4/40	6/79	33.46	2.80	71.5	0	0
in New Zealand	2008-2013	5	9	176.0	35	653	18	5/73	7/130	36.27	3.71	58.6	1	0
in South Africa	2005-2016	8	14	315.1	55	998	25	5/63	8/161	39.92	3.16	75.6	1	0
in Sri Lanka	2003-2012	4	7	135.4	30	448	11	5/72	5/98	40.72	3.30	74.0	1	0
in U.A.E.	2012-2015	6	12	216.0	63	452	22	4/17	6/69	20.54	2.09	58.9	0	0
in West Indies	2009-2015	7	11	248.2	68	648	26	6/42	7/77	24.92	2.60	57.3	1	0

 

 

Lol Anderson averages over 32 in everywhere except England/WI/UAE.  Is he the most overrated bowler of all time?

 

Ha, his strike rates are all around 70+

Edited December 11, 2016 by Tibarn

[goose]

39 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Wow, who writes this dross. The twisted headlines from some of these papers are unbelievable on the basis of that interview.

How is the headline twisted? For once it's a fair reflection of what Anderson said. 

[Vijy]

6 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
overall	2003-2016	122	228	4473.2	1097	13310	467	7/43	11/71	28.50	2.97	57.4	21	3	Profile

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
in Australia	2006-2014	13	26	497.0	111	1653	43	4/44	7/127	38.44	3.32	69.3	0	0
in England	2003-2016	69	131	2575.2	664	7588	296	7/43	11/71	25.63	2.94	52.2	17	3
in India	2006-2016	10	18	309.5	71	870	26	4/40	6/79	33.46	2.80	71.5	0	0
in New Zealand	2008-2013	5	9	176.0	35	653	18	5/73	7/130	36.27	3.71	58.6	1	0
in South Africa	2005-2016	8	14	315.1	55	998	25	5/63	8/161	39.92	3.16	75.6	1	0
in Sri Lanka	2003-2012	4	7	135.4	30	448	11	5/72	5/98	40.72	3.30	74.0	1	0
in U.A.E.	2012-2015	6	12	216.0	63	452	22	4/17	6/69	20.54	2.09	58.9	0	0
in West Indies	2009-2015	7	11	248.2	68	648	26	6/42	7/77	24.92	2.60	57.3	1	0

 

 

Lol Anderson averages over 32 in everywhere except England/WI/UAE.  Is he the most overrated bowler of all time?

Avg in UAE was lower than I expected, and the one in NZ higher than I expected. Rest were along the expected lines.

[goose]

5 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Refer back to my post ID #19 in this thread.

I watched the pitch side interview with Ian Ward (haven't even bothered reading the Sunday Times) and yes he said Kohli batted well (no sh%t) but not too sure about your 'unaware' line. He's saying Kohli's flaws are taken out of the equation on these wickets. There is only one way to interpret that i.e. Kohli is a home/flat track bully. Not sure how it's being twisted.

 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Stumped said:

Not how I interpreted it but of interest when you call someone a 'very good player of spin' how can you be calling them a flat track bully in the same interview?

Perhaps goosey meant home track bully, because one can be a "very good player of spin" and a HTB. In fact, one can even be a good player on spin and be a FTB, since flat tracks (by definition) enable easy batting, against both spin and pace.

[chewy]

That's why I never consider any batsmen who haven't performed well in India as not good enough for all time great status

Every tom, dick and Harry eventually scores a double hundred in England

India is the most difficult place to score runs 

[diga]

4 hours ago, G_B_ said:

 

Its not just about Anderson. Cook in Rajkot called a draw when Kohli was on 49 to deny him a 50. Its mean spirited.

I feel the English squad can be divided into two groups. Those like Anderson and Cook who have missed out on the IPL bus and feel hard done by. Then you have KP Buttler and co who are much cooler.

Nothing wrong with that call in the first test match where one is trying to impose themselves on the other team, but agree it was not gentlemanly to end the match with the opposition batsman on the brink of a landmark.  

[mishra]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

Sanga's actions were much more blatant. This "smirk" on Cook's face has not yet been confirmed beyond a doubt, unlike Sanga and Randiv.

Hello, watch the footage. You will see him smiling, while speaking to another fielder in slip even before Kohli hit that run to reach at 49.

Edited December 11, 2016 by mishra

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, diga said:

Nothing wrong with that call in the first test match where one is trying to impose themselves on the other team, but agree it was not gentlemanly to end the match with the opposition batsman on the brink of a landmark.  

Yes, Agree with this view. It was mean but poor taste

[falcons360]

He may have scored more than 600 runs in the series, but Virat Kohli's excellence with the bat appears to have left James Anderson cold.

Kohli, whose 235 in Mumbai has left him averaging 128.00 in the four matches so far, came into the series with a point to prove against England. In nine previous Tests against them, he averaged just 20.12 with a single score over 50.

He struggled particularly badly on the 2014 tour of England. With England frustrating him with a line outside off stump, he was drawn into dangerous, impatient strokes against the moving ball and ended the series with an average of just 13.40. Anderson dismissed him four times.

Speaking before the start of this series, Kohli said: "I can put it very simply as that was a phase I didn't perform very well, and it happened to be England. Could have been any other country in the world. I just take it as a setback in my career, and not motivate myself in a way that I have to prove people wrong or have to do something special against a particular opposition. For me, I'm playing a cricket ball, be it any game, any opposition, anywhere in the world. Those things do not change for me so I don't put those things in my head."

Kohli has made his point even more eloquently with the bat. On the same surfaces on which England have, since Rajkot, struggled, he has two centuries and four others scores of 40 and above. He has consistently proved a significant obstacle for England and, having ensured his team would leave with a draw in the first Test, made centuries in Visakhapatnam and Mumbai.

Perhaps his best performance came in the second innings in Visakhapatnam, where he made 81 out of a total of 204 despite a pitch of uneven bounce and against an England attack gaining lateral movement with the ball. It was masterful batting and further evidence that Kohli is a vastly improved player since the last time he faced England.

Anderson, however, remains unconvinced. In an oddly ungracious assessment, he suggested that Kohli is not so much an improved batsman, as a batsman playing in conditions that do not exploit his "technical deficiencies".

"I'm not sure he's changed," Anderson said. "I just think any technical deficiencies he's got aren't in play out here. The wickets just take that out of the equation.

"We had success against him in England, but the pace of the pitches over here just take any flaws he has out of the equation. There's not that pace in the wicket to get the nicks, like we did against him in England with a bit more movement. Pitches like this suit him down to the ground.

"When that's not there, he's very much suited to playing in these conditions. He's a very good player of spin and if you're not bang on the money and don't take your chances, he'll punish you. We tried to stay patient against him, but he just waits and waits and waits. He just played really well."

Anderson took a similarly unflattering view of India's spinners. While R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja have 39 wickets between them in the series, Anderson said: "I'm not sure they're too difficult to handle."

He did admit, however, that England had endured their "worst morning of the tour from a bowling point of view" on the fourth day in Mumbai.

"It is immensely frustrating," he said. "Coming to the ground this morning, we needed to get three wickets. If we could get them we're still well in the game. Unfortunately we didn't bowl as well as we could have first thing. The ball started flying around and then they got settled and managed to put on a big partnership."

Despite going into the final day 49 runs behind and with only four wickets in hand, Anderson insisted that England still had a chance of the win they need to stay in the series.

"We're going to come and try to fight our way back into this game if we can," he said. "We're 50 runs behind. If we can bat with the positive intent we showed today, there's no reason why we can't get a hundred ahead of them and then try to put some pressure on them with the ball."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

[falcons360]

are you kidding me