maniac Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mosher said: People here are not talking about his physical fitness. He is looking a lot fitter these days. But its about match fitness which no amount of net practice can replace. Pretty much this....and every one who agrees with the OP has said the same thing in one form or the other....but Dhoni fanatics won't get it...good attempt though MCcricket, Rasgulla and mancalledsting 2 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, maniac said: Being physically fit is not the same as being match fit.... if dhoni is so much phaaaaster than any one else playing cricket in India right now then he should quit cricket and start training for olympics Knowing Dhoni, if he plays in Ranji for Jharkhand in quarter finals, he will feel absolute low amd sorry for taking some deserving player's slot at last minute after not playing a single Ranji game all year. He is not coming back after 6 months. He will be alright this time. In future if there is a similar situation where he has to play after a greater gap, then he must, but not at this time. Link to comment
maniac Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Knowing Dhoni, if he plays in Ranji for Jharkhand in quarter finals, he will feel absolute low amd sorry for taking some deserving player's slot at last minute after not playing a single Ranji game all year. He is not coming back after 6 months. He will be alright this time. In future if there is a similar situation where he has to play after a greater gap, then he must, but not at this time. What about him just walking in to the LOI side after a few months and take a deserving player's spot there? someone who is performing day in and day out and playing cricket throughout the year...how is that any fairer? Simple,Dhoni is still an international cricketer....so if he is playing for the country,he needs to earn it rather than claim it. mancalledsting, tweaker and MCcricket 3 Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 23 minutes ago, maniac said: Being physically fit is not the same as being match fit.... if dhoni is so much phaaaaster than any one else playing cricket in India right now then he should quit cricket and start training for olympics He has retired from the longest format so it makes no sense for him to block a youngster's(possibly Kishan) place in a knockout game. If there were any Vijay Hazare matches being played he would he there just like last season. Why does Dhoni have to have match practice when Sachin treated the team as his baap ki jaagir(your words not mine) for the latter part of his career. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pretty much this....and every one who agrees with the OP has said the same thing in one form or the other....but Dhoni fanatics won't get it...good attempt though I would say the problem is with Dhoni haters considering He was second best batsman in last odi series and asking to playing Ranji Trophy is absurd preparation for odi cricket New guy and Sidhoni 1 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 What about him just walking in to the LOI side after a few months and take a deserving player's spot there? someone who is performing day in and day out and playing cricket throughout the year...how is that any fairer? Simple,Dhoni is still an international cricketer....so if he is playing for the country,he needs to earn it rather than claim it. Yeah and he has earned it by performing in the last series . And who is this deserved played anyway out of curiosity? Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, maniac said: What about him just walking in to the LOI side after a few months and take a deserving player's spot there? someone who is performing day in and day out and playing cricket throughout the year...how is that any fairer? Simple,Dhoni is still an international cricketer....so if he is playing for the country,he needs to earn it rather than claim it. I would want him to participate in not just one LOI but a full LOI tournament. It is usually a quick tournament and if he is avialable and not playing for India, then he must play that. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: I would say the problem is with Dhoni haters considering He was second best batsman in last odi series and asking to playing Ranji Trophy is absurd preparation for odi cricket No. The problem is over-analyzing the game and making it look as if Dhoni has been out from the game for over a year since last world cup. He is not a club cricketer. He just played a 5 game competitive series few weeks back and 2 months off for a fit guy is not a problem. Match practice would have been really needed had he been out for 6 months. sscomp32 and Sidhoni 2 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The problem boils down to trust. Either you trust the guy who has played for India for more than 10 years at a high level of fitness and performance to ensure on his own that he will be match-fit and at his best possible readiness for the game. Or you dislike the guy and have made up your mind that you don't want to see him in India colors, at which point, you will start looking at every issue with a skewed perspective. Very clear which side OP and a handful of posters on ICF are. Rest is all noise. Vilander, SUMO, Masquerade and 4 others 7 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Viper said: This line sums up another usless thread on daily basis from OP According to OP - Dhoni sux. Bhuvi sux. These are not opinions but "self evident facts". Somehow playing Bhuvi in a test match is "minnow mentality", because he is not "phaast". Thoda open mind bhi rakhnaa zaroori hai. Sidhoni, sscomp32 and Rasgulla 3 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Just now, Viper said: Ye log kisi ka nahi hai... if virat loses 2 to 3 in a row... He will say kohli sox as well.. Just a bunch of losers Don't be too harsh. Some people take longer to grow up. Some people post without thinking too much. No need to read too much into forum posts. Its the ones that persistently beat a dead horse over and over. And over again, inspite of being wrong. Those are the losers. Rasgulla and Sidhoni 2 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Why would someone who's retired from the long format play in the long format in domestics for practice? He should just play the List A matches and IPL. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 First class cricket is the basic unit of cricket. Where did you guys think all our LOIs greats came from? So given the BCCIs stance on playing in foreign t20 tourneys, dhoni should play Indian first class cricket. It's not just about being fit, it's also about muscle memory putrevus, MCcricket and Mosher 3 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: First class cricket is the basic unit of cricket. Where did you guys think all our LOIs greats came from? So given the BCCIs stance on playing in foreign t20 tourneys, dhoni should play Indian first class cricket. It's not just about being fit, it's also about muscle memory Agree that match-fitness and fitness are 2 slightly different things. But then there's always the question of workload management. Bottomline - you either give Dhoni the benefit of trust, based on credibility earned over the course of his career - that he will recognize what he needs to do, and do it. Or you don't. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sandeep said: Agree that match-fitness and fitness are 2 slightly different things. But then there's always the question of workload management. Bottomline - you either give Dhoni the benefit of trust, based on credibility earned over the course of his career - that he will recognize what he needs to do, and do it. Or you don't. There's no issue of trust here....he's a human being and is partial to human limitations. No cricketer can maintain the standards required of an international cricketer by not playing competitive cricket. Anyway- he's only screwing himself over as he'll underperform and accelerate his exit. Maybe he plans to quit after CT anyway and hence is being selfish and just can't be bothered. Wouldn't be first time in his career.....everything has always been about him. Not to mention he's setting a bad example to youngsters all over India by displaying cricketing bhabu behaviour. Edited December 13, 2016 by mancalledsting MCcricket and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment
MCcricket Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Personally I have never tried to be personal or call poster names, so if some one is doing that on logical discussions we know who R the loosers here, n Viper is on my ignore list so I don't bother, other guys I have nothing against any fan or player, but it's about the team not idolatry here. A ageing failing player who has lost his hitting ability, can't rotate runs looks dodgy and S/R is poor and won't play any matches to stay match fit, for people who equate fitness to match fitness haven't played or understand the game.Match fitness cannot be achieved in the gym or nets, it has to be don't playing cricket wether county, some IPl like league, domestic Ranji, if not the 50 over format. A player is selected and stays valid for selection only if he takes part in countries domestic competition n that is for any one, Kp played domestic until he was snubbed. My posts R thread are not personal in nature but based on their game not their personal lives. Loosers post about some players wife or lack of virility or something below their belt, every plYer who plays is open to be discussed n debated about so if it gets to you , you'll don't need to check the post or thread like I ignores the gnats post on ICF. Rasgulla and mancalledsting 1 1 Link to comment
Masquerade Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If he's going to play the warm up one day games against England before the actual series then I don't see what the issue is. The same people complaining now would have complained if he took a promising youngster's spot in the Jharknand team. From all reports he's still training with them and so, is still part of a professional team environment. There are many things you can question about MS Dhoni but I'm not sure his commitment is one of them. Every player he's shared a dressing room with has commended him on his work ethic and attitude. The people choosing to ignore this have nothing but petty vendettas that will never be appeased. sandeep, Rasgulla, Cricketics and 2 others 5 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 ^ skipping the Sri Lanka test series in 2008 whilst still being a full time player with aspirations of test captaincy (soon to be realised) = comittment? announcing test captaincy expected retirement date a few years before actually doing it = comittment? just wait for MSD to fully retire- then a heap of criticisms will come out from current players Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 if msd wants to play for WC2019 he very well understand better than us how to keep himself match fit may be he will play vijay hazare may be even go to A tour later we should watch out for his performance nothing else Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 hours ago, SUMO said: if msd wants to play for WC2019 he very well understand better than us how to keep himself match fit may be he will play vijay hazare may be even go to A tour later we should watch out for his performance nothing else At this point, MS Dhoni has a lot to prove before he can think that he can play for India in WC2019. To be fair, he should get that opportunity to prove it at #4/5 for the better part of 2017. But beyond that, it depends on whether he can demonstrate that he is good enough to keep that spot with his batting. Link to comment
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