Personal milestones 'out of our system' - Kohli

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

It's not century 70 odd something. He and ganguly both slowed down in 40 th over.

 

http://m.espncricinfo.com/iccct2000/engine/current/match/66179.html

look at that guy @ number 3 lol. Strike rate of 62.
but yes we lost cause of Ganguly and Sachin.

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, laaloo said:

look at that guy @ number 3 lol. Strike rate of 62.
but yes we lost cause of Ganguly and Sachin.

Middle overs at 5 RPO is expected from a partnership. Cricket is a team game. Individual SRs dont matter in partnerships, the last 8 overs from 220-2 to 264 -- 44 runs is way too low, is where we lost it...10 RPO is expected in last 10 overs

Edited December 19, 2016 by coffee_rules

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Middle overs at 5 RPO is expected from a partnership. Cricket is a team game. Individual SRs dont matter in partnerships,

yeah the guy batting at s/r of 83 was selfish and lost the game. The guy batting at s/r of 62 is about a team game. S/R doesnt matter.

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, laaloo said:

yeah the guy batting at s/r of 83 was selfish and lost the game. The guy batting at s/r of 62 is about a team game. S/R doesnt matter.

Yes, the guy with SR 62 came at 26 overs..Guy at SR 83 has been batting from ball 1. This is how ODIs are played..We lost in the last 10 overs,,So I am saying the team failed in the last 10 overs..

[fineleg]

@coffee_rules and @rkt.india It is not about just 10-15 overs. This is 10-15 overs during end of the day after England were run ragged. That increases the likelihood of 2 or 3 wickets. That's the difference. Normal 10-15 overs different from that sort of declaration. That's what Kohli has missed here.

Edited December 19, 2016 by fineleg

[Laaloo]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, the guy with SR 62 came at 26 overs..Guy at SR 83 has been batting from ball 1. This is how ODIs are played..We lost in the last 10 overs,,So I am saying the team failed in the last 10 overs..

Ok. I was responding to guy that said we lost because of Sachin and ganguly batting slow. That is absurd. the guy is obviously grapsing at straws here

[BeautifulGame]

Middle overs at 5 RPO is expected from a partnership. Cricket is a team game. Individual SRs dont matter in partnerships, the last 8 overs from 220-2 to 264 -- 44 runs is way too low, is where we lost it...10 RPO is expected in last 10 overs

yeah the guy batting at s/r of 83 was selfish and lost the game. The guy batting at s/r of 62 is about a team game. S/R doesnt matter.

We didn't lose it because of either .

We lost it because we simply couldn't get Cairns out .

Nothing wrong with our batting .It was a score well above par on a slow wicket.

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Ok. I was responding to guy that said we lost because of Sachin and ganguly batting slow. That is absurd. the guy is obviously grapsing at straws here

 

In the response, you are blaming somebody insignificant in the loss..that's my point.

[Laaloo]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

 

In the response, you are blaming somebody insignificant in the loss..that's my point.

Yeah I blamed somebody because the forums have a habit of making fun of somebody or blaming somebody while others go under the radar. Others can blame sachin, but oh no I committed atrocity by pointing out a guy batting slow as a turtle.

[mishra]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Yea declaring right after 300 contradicts his statement.  

Cant stick to his own " headline grabbing rule" for more than 1 test match.

[coffee_rules]

19 minutes ago, fineleg said:

@coffee_rules and @rkt.india It is not about just 10-15 overs. This is 10-15 overs during end of the day after England were run ragged. That increases the likelihood of 2 or 3 wickets. That's the difference. Normal 10-15 overs different from that sort of declaration. That's what Kohli has missed here.

2-3 wkts , yes on a wearing pitch. This is not a wearing pitch even on D4, so any amount of time stipulate is not good enough. Only a implosion from Eng on D5 is what will guarantee a win. Don't think this about a normal wearing pitch of test cricket. Even with spin, there are ways to survive on this pitch which was proved by our Ashwin/Jadeja on D4, the pitch is not threatening to enforce a win with these declaring tactics. 

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, laaloo said:

Yeah I blamed somebody because the forums have a habit of making fun of somebody or blaming somebody while others go under the radar. Others can blame sachin, but oh no I committed atrocity by pointing out a guy batting slow as a turtle.

Slow as a turtle with a SR that is valid enough for the 90s in the Middle overs..it is the time for consolidation for a late surge (where we failed) . Par score..dont think so, with the start we had. I2 team will always play as per score set, esp in a Final game.

Edited December 19, 2016 by coffee_rules

[gattaca]

53 minutes ago, laaloo said:

look at that guy @ number 3 lol. Strike rate of 62.
but yes we lost cause of Ganguly and Sachin.

Please watch the match before you comment. Dravid is also to blame but it was ganguly and sachin killed momentum. 

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, gattaca said:

Please watch the match before you comment. Dravid is also to blame but it was ganguly and sachin killed momentum. 

Chalo at least you lay minimal blame on Dravid. Next time, don't pick and choose players just for your argument. And you were referring to the 40th over? so they probably played a couple of dots in the 40th over, but they lost the match.

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Please watch the match before you comment. Dravid is also to blame but it was ganguly and sachin killed momentum. 

No not really-Both Ganguly and Sachin can more than make up for their strike rate if the last till the 35th over and still SRT has a 80+ S/R...batting with a 60 S/R after a great start is unacceptable in 70's or 80's too especially Dravid does not even have a power game to consolidate for a slow start which the likes of Yuvi etc have.

 

This is just one example,I have seen many such momentum killing innings by Dravid throughout the 90's till early 2000's 

[fineleg]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

2-3 wkts , yes on a wearing pitch. This is not a wearing pitch even on D4, so any amount of time stipulate is not good enough. Only a implosion from Eng on D5 is what will guarantee a win. Don't think this about a normal wearing pitch of test cricket. Even with spin, there are ways to survive on this pitch which was proved by our Ashwin/Jadeja on D4, the pitch is not threatening to enforce a win with these declaring tactics. 

Again, you are talking abt pitch.

First of all - with respect to pitch, even though it has not worn significantly, Ash and Jaddu against clueless English batsmen - they can still prise out 2 or 3 end of day.

And more importantly you are not looking at main point - mental and physical fatigue (more so mental fatigue) - more than the pitch - that can help us get 2 wickets or 3 if it works, end of the day. England just wanted to run to their A/C room end of day 4 - their fatigue will usually bring about couple wickets.

 

Coming in to day 5 with 2 or 3 down is significant pressure on last day for England. That opportunity we have squandered. How will a captain defend squandering such opportunity?

Edited December 19, 2016 by fineleg

[Laaloo]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

No not really-Both Ganguly and Sachin can more than make up for their strike rate if the last till the 35th over and still SRT has a 80+ S/R...batting with a 60 S/R after a great start is unacceptable in 70's or 80's too especially Dravid does not even have a power game to consolidate for a slow start which the likes of Yuvi etc have.

 

This is just one example,I have seen many such momentum killing innings by Dravid throughout the 90's till early 2000's 

oh shut up Dravid is awesome. Not selfish like that midget from mumbai. What do you know? Go and watch the match again. That mumbai midget only used to play for records.

[maniac]

So people wanted Kohli to declare when his team mate was on 270+ just to prove a point to soem ICFR's.....great way to build a team and earn the confidence of his team mates that would have been

 

You need context....if a player is playing 30-40 balls to get those 10 runs to reach a 100 yes that is where this context can apply but not denying his young team mate a chance of acheiving something special...how is that contradicting or making Kohli a hypocrite

 

[fineleg]

Not about proving to ICF. ICF is NOTHING to kohli.

As simple as trying to get 2-3 wickets when England was totally in fatigue and wanted to run away from playing field without coming out to bat.

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, fineleg said:

Again, you are talking abt pitch.

First of all - with respect to pitch, even though it has not worn significantly, Ash and Jaddu against clueless English batsmen - they can still prise out 2 or 3 end of day.

And more importantly you are not looking at main point - mental and physical fatigue (more so mental fatigue) - more than the pitch - that can help us get 2 wickets or 3 if it works, end of the day. England just wanted to run to their A/C room end of day 4 - their fatigue will usually bring about couple wickets.

 

Coming in to day 5 with 2 or 3 down is significant pressure on last day for England. That opportunity we have squandered. How will a captain defend squandering such opportunity?

 

The declaration and other aspects on D4 is always depending on how the pitch is behaving on D4, if our tail is making merry why do you want our bowlers to suffer, as a captain?. You are so certain that given 10-15 overs, Ash and Jaddu would have taken 2-3 wkts..is a not something a captain in play would know for sure. Eng have a 3 AM flight to catch after D5 and have a Christmas vacation with their cozy family. If their mental strength is strong enough, let them survive 90 overs tomorrow.  As a captain who has already won the series, there is no motivation to take a risk on D4 to force a win based on a hunch., just because a few fans want a 4-0 win. Some fans are content with a 3-0 win. and a 300 to boot.

Edited December 19, 2016 by coffee_rules