What's the fuss about Sachin's 194 at Multan?

[Trichromatic]

This has been discussed many times. Tendulkar mentioned about it in the book.

 

What I don't understand is why people claim that Sachin was batting very slowly which forced Dravid to declare.

 

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Did you even read that article that picks a few lines from John Wright's books about how Tendulkar played very slow from 170s ???

This was comment made in one of the threads on ICF.

India - 588 in 148 overs at tea, day 2

Over #150 (Day 2, 3rd session, 2 overs after tea)

Sachin at 168 (315)

 

Over #157

Sachin 182 (335) So he scored 14 runs in 20 balls

 

Over #161

Sachin 194 (348) 12 runs in 14 balls.

 

Sachin scored 26 runs in 34 balls. By which standards it was very slow? India declared 14 overs after tea just after Yuvraj's dismissal. Pakistan faced 16 overs and scored 42-0 at the end.

[Vilander]

I remember Dravids declaration it was stupid, he should have waited for 6 more runs.

[TheWall]

Stupid thread. pls lock it.

[randomGuy]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

I remember Dravids declaration it was stupid, he should have waited for 6 more runs.

If I were dravid , I would have declared on 199 if possible.... dravid wanted to play safe plus didn't want to make it obvious so he declared as soon as 194.

[Vilander]

Just now, randomGuy said:

If I were dravid , I would have declared on 199 if possible.... dravid wanted to play safe plus didn't want to make it obvious so he declared as soon as 194.

why would you do that. Sachin was obviously playing for his 200 he being so milestone oriented it was something important for him and his fans.

[randomGuy]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

why would you do that. Sachin was obviously playing for his 200 he being so milestone oriented it was something important for him and his fans.

That's right. But 200 isn't even a milestone which is shown in 1st level stats.

 

For dravid, it may not have even crossed the mind and he may have gone as per match situation....but sachin iirc went crying to the media.

[beetle]

Dravid was right .

 

[Laaloo]

Man this has been done and dusted. Move on

 

 

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Rahul-Dravid-declare-the-innings-in-the-Multan-Test-match-when-Sachin-was-on-194

[Cricketics]

I have not talked much about it but I felt many things while watching the game

- Tendulkar did play a little slow when we needed some quick runs.

- Dravid looked confused in the lobby whenever camera pointed towards him.

- Why is John Wright, the coach then, never mentioned and always blame goes on Dravid when clearly it was decison decided by both of them together

- I don't think message was well passed to Tendulkar during drinks.

 

My Verdict

Dravid and Tendulkar, the greatest of Indian cricket were caught at the wrong situation and at the wrong time and both are equally to blame. There was seriously a poor communication between the two and hence I would blame both of them. Neither wanted it to happen. Both took the situation easily and it was one of those decisons which Dravid took in compulsion, almost like when you are on a Roulette table in a casino and can feel that you are doing it just right whatver you are putting your money on and then you just go about and spread your money, Dravid did just that. He was neither wrong, nor right. 

[Dinx - the Jinx]

No wonder Dravid stepped down from captaincy soon after

[WC2011INDIA]

One man's milestone should not be placed above the game.

[maniac]

10 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I have not talked much about it but I felt many things while watching the game

- Tendulkar did play a little slow when we needed some quick runs.

- Dravid looked confused in the lobby whenever camera pointed towards him.

- Why is John Wright, the coach then, never mentioned and always blame goes on Dravid when clearly it was decison decided by both of them together

- I don't think message was well passed to Tendulkar during drinks.

 

My Verdict

Dravid and Tendulkar, the greatest of Indian cricket were caught at the wrong situation and at the wrong time and both are equally to blame. There was seriously a poor communication between the two and hence I would blame both of them. Neither wanted it to happen. Both took the situation easily and it was one of those decisons which Dravid took in compulsion, almost like when you are on a Roulette table in a casino and can feel that you are doing it just right whatver you are putting your money on and then you just go about and spread your money, Dravid did just that. He was neither wrong, nor right. 

It was the coach and captain fault....what if Sachin played a rash shot and got out and the team management intent was to play through the day?

 

They had to communicate him to get a move on and as the op quoted there was nothing wrong with his S/R...it was a test match....not a T20 where you expect a S/R of at least 130+

 

Dravid was wrong and I am not sure what his motives where and also he has never acknowledged or clarified this incident...Sachin the gracious gentleman and the better person, he is always made light of that incident.

 

I respect Dravid for what he has done and the player he has been but trust me he should be the last person talking about selfish knocks...I have seen a lot of Dravid ODI knocks in the 90's.

Edited December 14, 2016 by maniac

[Laaloo]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

It was the coach and captain fault....what if Sachin played a rash shot and got out and the team management intent was to play through the day?

 

They had to communicate him to get a move on and as the op quoted there was nothing wrong with his S/R...it was a test match....not a T20 where you expect a S/R of at least 130+

 

Dravid was wrong and I am not sure what his motives where and also he has never acknowledged or clarified this incident...Sachin the gracious gentleman and the better person, he is always made light of that incident.

 

I respect Dravid for what he has done and the player he has been but trust me he should be the last person talking about selfish knocks...I have seen a lot of Dravid ODI knocks in the 90's.

oh dont stir the pot now. you will be called pitable chuttiyas, and foolish, and jackasses and whatnot for saying a word against you know who.

[Vilander]

7 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I have not talked much about it but I felt many things while watching the game

- Tendulkar did play a little slow when we needed some quick runs.

- Dravid looked confused in the lobby whenever camera pointed towards him.

- Why is John Wright, the coach then, never mentioned and always blame goes on Dravid when clearly it was decison decided by both of them together

- I don't think message was well passed to Tendulkar during drinks.

 

My Verdict

Dravid and Tendulkar, the greatest of Indian cricket were caught at the wrong situation and at the wrong time and both are equally to blame. There was seriously a poor communication between the two and hence I would blame both of them. Neither wanted it to happen. Both took the situation easily and it was one of those decisons which Dravid took in compulsion, almost like when you are on a Roulette table in a casino and can feel that you are doing it just right whatver you are putting your money on and then you just go about and spread your money, Dravid did just that. He was neither wrong, nor right. 

Tendulkar is particularly self involved, milestone oriented as well in this case. a 194 and a 200 are basically not much different in Tests. an ODI 200 is diff, in tests it is less significant.

[Vilander]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

It was the coach and captain fault....what if Sachin played a rash shot and got out and the team management intent was to play through the day?

 

They had to communicate him to get a move on and as the op quoted there was nothing wrong with his S/R...it was a test match....not a T20 where you expect a S/R of at least 130+

 

Dravid was wrong and I am not sure what his motives where and also he has never acknowledged or clarified this incident...Sachin the gracious gentleman and the better person, he is always made light of that incident.

 

I respect Dravid for what he has done and the player he has been but trust me he should be the last person talking about selfish knocks...I have seen a lot of Dravid ODI knocks in the 90's.

now why would you say that. 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Tendulkar is particularly self involved, milestone oriented as well in this case. a 194 and a 200 are basically not much different in Tests. an ODI 200 is diff, in tests it is less significant.

Name one cricketer who doesn't care about getting a 100 or heck even a 50 or a 5 wicket haul or a hattrick?

 

sehwag going for a 6 on 294 is not because he didn't care about the milestone, it has more to do with his arrogance and disdain for the bowler which makes him stand out but not that he cares any less about it.

 

yes when you don't have that ability those excuses make you stand out as unselfish.

 

even the so called unselfish teams like aus,England,nzl and even pure boyz pak delay declaration etc when a player is in the 90s

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, maniac said:

Name one cricketer who doesn't care about getting a 100 or heck even a 50 or a 5 wicket haul or a hattrick?

 

sehwag going for a 6 on 294 is not because he didn't care about the milestone, it has more to do with his arrogance and disdain for the bowler which makes him stand out but not that he cares any less about it.

 

yes when you don't have that ability those excuses make you stand out as unselfish.

 

even the so called unselfish teams like aus,England,nzl and even pure boyz pak delay declaration etc when a player is in the 90s

agreed. But test 200 is less significant than 300 or 100. infact its amoung least significant of test innings runs milestones like 150 for instance.

 

Anyways dravid should not have prevented Sachin from getting 200, but Sachin should not have been bothered about it.

[MechEng]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Name one cricketer who doesn't care about getting a 100 or heck even a 50 or a 5 wicket haul or a hattrick?

 

sehwag going for a 6 on 294 is not because he didn't care about the milestone, it has more to do with his arrogance and disdain for the bowler which makes him stand out but not that he cares any less about it.

 

yes when you don't have that ability those excuses make you stand out as unselfish.

 

even the so called unselfish teams like aus,England,nzl and even pure boyz pak delay declaration etc when a player is in the 90s

In a way agree with this. While most people target individualistic selfishness like chasing milestones, they consider winning games for the team as some high moral duty, the reality is that the 'winning for team' mentality is also a form of selfishness albeit an expanded version of the individualistic selfishness.

[Dinx - the Jinx]

18 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Tendulkar is particularly self involved, milestone oriented as well in this case. a 194 and a 200 are basically not much different in Tests. an ODI 200 is diff, in tests it is less significant.

It does matter for Sachin. He didnt make too many of them - did he? So Dravid robbed him off one 200 :)

[vvvslaxman]

Wasn't there a declaration at Sydney when Dravid was 91 not out which he was scoring quickly