goose Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 A captain thinking of the team is indifferent to what score the batsmen are on. This wasn't indifference. Tendulkar's reaction is utterly normal. Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Wasn't there a declaration at Sydney when Dravid was 91 not out which he was scoring quickly Was that declaration made out of the blue,without Dravid not having an idea of what to do next? clearly the way he was playing,the message and target was right in front of him.....he got 2 additional runs to bump him into the 90's but big deal...he knew what he had to do,and it was commendable. The 194 happened out of the blue,with absolute no direction or communication Ironhide and Darkraider 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Extract from Sachin's autobiography Quote Into Day 2 of the first of the 3-match Test series against Pakistan in 2004, at Multan, stand-in captain Rahul Dravid opted to declare the Indian first innings with the scoreboard reading 675-5 in 161.5 overs; it left Sachin Tendulkar stranded at 194 not out, 6 runs short of a double century. While there were rumours going around at that point of time that Tendulkar was extremely disappointed and furious at the management’s decision, which cut his innings painfully short while approaching a landmark, the 41-year-old, writing in his autobiography ‘Playing it My Way’ has made no bones about his dissatisfaction: "I assured Rahul that the incident would have no bearing on my involvement on the field, but off the field, I would prefer to be left alone for a while to come to terms with what had happened." Shedding light into the events in build-up to the declaration, he writes, “At tea-time, I asked stand-in skipper Rahul Dravid, who was in charge because Sourav was out with a back injury, and coach John Wright what the plan was. I was informed, we were looking to give Pakistan an hour to bat, so would put them in with 15 overs left on the second day. It was perfectly sensible and I went about my business after tea with this plan in mind. I was startled to say the least, because in my mind I still had 12 balls in which to score the remaining six runs before 15 overs were left for the day. Tendulkar, expressing his shock, has said that he refrained from creating a scene about it, as it is not in him to do so. "I was shocked as it did not make any sense. It was Day 2 of the Test match and not Day 4, as it had been in Sydney, a month earlier." "Disappointed and upset, I made my way back to the dressing room and could sense that the whole team was surprised at the decision (Rahul Dravid declaring with me stranded at 194). Some of my team-mates perhaps expected me to throw my gear about in the dressing room in disgust and create a scene. However, such things are not in me and I decided not to say a word to anyone about the incident. He writes, “Just as I was washing my face in the bathroom, John walked up to me and apologized. He was sorry about what had happened and said he had not been party to the decision. I was surprised and said to him that as coach he was one of the decision-makers and there was no reason for him to be sorry if he believed in what had been done.” Ganguly’s apology Then came Ganguly with his excuse. Tendulkar writes, "Soon after my exchange with John, Sourav came to me and said he was very sorry at what had happened and that it wasn't his decision to declare. This was a little surprising, as the skipper, was part of the tea-time discussion and was also present in the dressing room at the time of declaration." Manjrekar’s views were not welcome Former Indian cricketer Sanjay Manjrekar, who was commentating during the match, approached Tendulkar appreciating the positive intent of the Indian management. His views were not exactly welcome. "Rahul said that the call was taken with the interests of the team in mind. It was important to demonstrate that we meant business and were keen to win. I wasn't convinced. First, I said to him that I was batting for the team as well. The 194 was meant to help the team and it was my individual contribution to the team's cause. Recalling the Sydney Test match, held not too long before, Tendulkar told Dravid: "When we had both been batting on the fourth evening and Sourav had sent out two or three messages asking when we should declare and Rahul had carried on batting. The two situations were comparable and, if anything, the Sydney declaration was far more significant and may have cost a Test match and series victory. If Rahul was so keen show intent in Multan, he should have done the same in Sydney." Glad that friendship remained unaffected Tendulkar, however, also makes it clear that the incident didn’t have a bearing in their relationship in days that followed. He writes, "Despite this incident, I am glad to say Rahul and I remained good friends and even on the field, our camaraderie remained intact until the end of our careers. We continued to have some good partnerships and neither our cricket nor our friendship was affected." Edited December 14, 2016 by maniac Edited so that full article is not posted Ironhide 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 15 minutes ago, Dinx - the Jinx said: It does matter for Sachin. He didnt make too many of them - did he? So Dravid robbed him off one 200 :) yes that i agree, it matters to Sachin and Dravid appears to have robbed him of one. Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) ^^Link for the above post http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/multan-declaration-sachin-tendulkar-no-sense-autobiography Edited December 14, 2016 by maniac Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Extract from Sachin's autobiography such things are not in me - opposed to i did not feel the need to put a scene. So for Sachin peoples perception is more important than any principle centered approach, limited individual. Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just now, Vilander said: such things are not in me - opposed to i did not feel the need to put a scene. So for Sachin peoples perception is more important than any principle centered approach, limited individual. Yes because when you are an icon and role-model your perspective changes on how to express your thoughts Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 21 minutes ago, MechEng said: In a way agree with this. While most people target individualistic selfishness like chasing milestones, they consider winning games for the team as some high moral duty, the reality is that the 'winning for team' mentality is also a form of selfishness albeit an expanded version of the individualistic selfishness. yeah but trying to achieve personal milestones and reveling in it in a team game, is pretty individualistic and selfish though, beetle 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, maniac said: Was that declaration made out of the blue,without Dravid not having an idea of what to do next? clearly the way he was playing,the message and target was right in front of him.....he got 2 additional runs to bump him into the 90's but big deal...he knew what he had to do,and it was commendable. The 194 happened out of the blue,with absolute no direction or communication 18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Wasn't there a declaration at Sydney when Dravid was 91 not out which he was scoring quickly No maniac, stop making that up. I will tell you what happened. Dravid got hit on the ear and started bleeding and it was taking time for him to recover so instead of sending a new bat, Ganguly declared the innings. sandeep 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, Cricketics said: No maniac, stop making that up. I will tell you what happened. Dravid got hit on the ear and started bleeding and it was taking time for him to recover so instead of sending a new bat, Ganguly declared the innings. That is my point he went on with a purpose and there was a reason there and he knew what happened not the case with Sachin Link to comment
velu Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, laaloo said: Man this has been done and dusted. Move on https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Rahul-Dravid-declare-the-innings-in-the-Multan-Test-match-when-Sachin-was-on-194 but the topic never gets old Link to comment
Sean Bradley Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 This thread is a Face off Between Sachin vs Dravid Fans velu 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Dravid robbing Sachin of 200 makes him look infantile, jealous vain. Sachin making such a huge thing out of it reinforces his perceived tendency to put personal milestones ahead of team goals at times. Both look ordinary or pathetic depending on your culture, out of this incident but being from India they are justified greats, cause Indian greats act like this...look at Sunny, i remember that guy almost walked his team to forfeit because he did not agree with an umpires decision, that is beyond any common decency. pathetic India. http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/when-gavaskar-walked--and-almost-took-india-with-him-20141224-12dftf.html Link to comment
velu Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) mumbai school of thought always gives importance to milestones , so far them 200 is more important .. but rest of the nation dont care edit: anyway mubai school were waiting for sachins 200 for almost a decade and for them dravid/coach robbed their ice cream Edited December 14, 2016 by velu Sidhoni, Vilander, Ironhide and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, maniac said: Yes because when you are an icon and role-model your perspective changes on how to express your thoughts more his marketability,brand value Sachin is a good business man. Ironhide 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just now, velu said: mumbai school of thought always gives importance to milestones , so far them 200 is more important .. but rest of the nation dont care yup i find this a unique Mumbai trait, Karnataka is also there with them very individualistic cultures. may be one of the reasons why they both do well in cricket. velu 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just now, Vilander said: more his marketability,brand value Sachin is a good business man. Who cares if Sachin is calling escorts to his room and snorting cocaine in private.. it is the public image that makes the difference and inspires society....even if he is doing it for selfish reasons who cares as long as it is doing good. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, maniac said: That is my point he went on with a purpose and there was a reason there and he knew what happened not the case with Sachin Dravid and John were at fault but so was Tendulkar for not realizing the situation being the most senior player then and having played the game for 15 years by then. It is not that he wasn't alerted before about declaration. He got some hint when message was sent during drinks before the last final declaration was done in hurry whenYuvi got out. Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just now, maniac said: Who cares if Sachin is calling escorts to his room and snorting cocaine in private.. it is the public image that makes the difference and inspires society....even if he is doing it for selfish reasons who cares as long as it is doing good. yup but he crying to media about his captain not allowing him to score 200 is pathetic did no good, He should have followed his captain, and defended him. Cricketics, velu and Ironhide 2 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said: This thread is a Face off Between Sachin vs Dravid Fans to the contrary its mostly the neutrals..thats why there is some possibility of a discussion. There was a movie once made with MGR and Sivaji there were riots in the cinemas between the two crowds, they never acted together again, it did not make economic sense. Link to comment
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