India's ODI vs Test sides

[rkt.india]

27 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Don't you rate Aniket and especially Sangwan as he has the tools , can bowl good yorkers, swing at pace n is a decent bat as well, so a good package being a left armers, and good fitness as well as fielding

Aniket for test overseas. Sangwan not sure yet. 

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Considering both the CT and World cup are in England , Bhuvi should also be integral part of the squad imo

Yes, BK would be there and should play depending on the conditions even if an expense of a spinner. We will need to see how Hardik Pandya's bowling shapes up. In helpful conditions, even he can be handful. If we want to play an alrounder at 7, his bowling needs to go well. If it does not, BK will replace him in the XI. Shami and Bumrah are two certainties in the XI for seamers' slot. If conditions favor seamers too much then BK should replace Jaddu.

Edited December 21, 2016 by rkt.india

[MCcricket]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, BK would be there and should play depending on the conditions even if an expense of a spinner. 

Where would you place S Sharma, D Chahar, S Kaul as compared to BK pace n skill wise as they all can move the ball, but Kaul , Chahar now has better pace n Sharma to is quicker n gets banana swing and can seam as well, whereas BK is good control and subtle movement of the wkt more then in air.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Where would you place S Sharma, D Chahar, S Kaul as compared to BK pace n skill wise as they all can move the ball, but Kaul , Chahar now has better pace n Sharma to is quicker n gets banana swing and can seam as well, whereas BK is good control and subtle movement of the wkt more then in air.

BK is the best when it comes to hitting corridor of uncertainty, that 6-7 meter length, neither too full, not too short. When there is help for seamers, then it is all about control, hitting right areas even if pace is less. Sandeep Sharma and BK can play together in England in such conditions and will do well too. Chahar does not have as good a control. Same with Kaul too.

[MCcricket]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

BK is the best when it comes to hitting corridor of uncertainty, that 6-7 meter length, neither too full, not too short. When there is help for seamers, then it is all about control, hitting right areas even if pace is less. Sandeep Sharma and BK can play together in England in such conditions and will do well too. Chahar does not have as good a control. Same with Kaul too.

BK can be an asset in NZ when we tour in the winter but his very limited pace takes quite a few options away from the captain.

He can play one or two games in AUS and SA n NZ as most tracks even there won't seam or swing , like in AUS you get bounce, in NZ only at certain time of the year you get wkts ideal for him.

In English conditions at certain times Headingly n one or two more venues maybe

SA has two venues where you get some seam, but then Steyn doing that at 140 n Bhuvi at 130 is a huge diff, with less pace offcourse you will get more accuracy.

You were talking about N Saini a taller n quicker version of BK? Would you consider Ankit Rajpoot ?

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

BK can be an asset in NZ when we tour in the winter but his very limited pace takes quite a few options away from the captain.

He can play one or two games in AUS and SA n NZ as most tracks even there won't seam or swing , like in AUS you get bounce, in NZ only at certain time of the year you get wkts ideal for him.

In English conditions at certain times Headingly n one or two more venues maybe

SA has two venues where you get some seam, but then Steyn doing that at 140 n Bhuvi at 130 is a huge diff, with less pace offcourse you will get more accuracy.

You were talking about N Saini a taller n quicker version of BK? Would you consider Ankit Rajpoot ?

yeah, Navdeep Saini is a good prospect too, taller and quicker. Rajpoot has potential too but they need to be given chances with A team first. BK is someone who is proven performer in helpful conditions even if he has less pace. He has the ability to take wickets. While these guys are new and unproven.

Edited December 21, 2016 by rkt.india

[MCcricket]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

yeah, Navdeep Saini is a good prospect too, taller and quicker. Rajpoot has potential too but they need to be given chances with A team first. BK is someone who is proven performer in helpful conditions even if he has less pace. He has the ability to take wickets.

Despite being medium /f BK cannot keep up his pace n intensity after first spell, he starts at 132 to 138 range n then bowls at 128 to 132 range which is hardly penetrative , yes he can be good in NZ in winter but Aus I doubt, SA he can be a third seamer, I just don't see him as a test match bowler as such, maybe a third or 4 seamer in some conditions.I would pick Shami, Umesh, Ishant , over him n for me Pandya can be the third or 4 seamer, who can also move the ball but at pace.

[ShebbySB]

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Rahul

Dhoni (c) (Should change him game before gets dropped from captaincy and team)

Nair

Hardik

Akshar

Ashwin

Shami

Bumrah

Reserves:- M.Pandey,Jadeja,Umesh,Nathu.

Players like Mandeep,Pant,Hooda,Kedar,Jayant,Kuldeep,Chahal,BK,Aaron,Rajpoot should also get a look in

when the squad is rotated with 1st team players rested.

Edited December 21, 2016 by ShebbySB

[express bowling]

ODIs --

 

1) Rohit / Dhawan

2) Rahul

3) Kohli

4) Dhoni / Pandey

5) Nair / Hooda

6) Pant

7) Hardik

8) Axar /  Jaddu  / Krunal

9) Ashwin / Mishra

10 ) Bhuvi /  Umesh  / Nathu

11)  Bumrah

 

Dhawan

Pandey

Hooda

Krunal

Nathu

Sran

Shardul

 

--  I want to rest Shami unless we are playing the WC or preparing for it.

--  Ashwin and Jaddu need to be rotated to manage their workload

 

 

Edited December 21, 2016 by express bowling

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

ODIs --

 

1) Rohit / Dhawan

2) Rahul

3) Kohli

4) Dhoni / Pandey

5) Nair / Hooda

6) Pant

7) Hardik

8) Axar /  Jaddu  / Krunal

9) Ashwin / Mishra

10 ) Bhuvi /  Umesh  / Nathu

11)  Bumrah

 

Dhawan

Pandey

Hooda

Krunal

Nathu

Sran

Shardul

 

--  I want to rest Shami unless we are playing the WC or preparing for it.

--  Ashwin and Jaddu need to be rotated to manage their workload

 

 

Our lower-middle order is a complete shambles. We are still not sure about our playing XI even after playing some countless matches in the past 2 years. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. 

[bowl_out]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

Our lower-middle order is a complete shambles. We are still not sure about our playing XI even after playing some countless matches in the past 2 years. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. 

Dhoni has tried to push himself up the order which made Rahane move down to 5/6.. Rahane as an ODI player itself is questionable, moving him down the order was a disaster..

 

Trying Pandey, Pandya and others at 5 and 6 hasn't worked either.. Kedar has got some success but we need to wait and watch if he can carry that for longer..

 

Pandey should play at 4 IMO... Dhoni can bat at 5 if he wants.. Rahul/Karun/Kedar fight for No.6 with Pandya and Jadeja at 7 and 8...

 

We don't play too many ODIs before Champions trophy, so need to quickly have well-defined roles for the players.

[Cricketics]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

Our lower-middle order is a complete shambles. We are still not sure about our playing XI even after playing some countless matches in the past 2 years. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. 

That is why, that is why we need a proven performer loke Suresh Raina. His record in ODI proves that he is one if the best finishers in the world and can come up the order and bat when their is a mini collapse or come down the order after Dhoni or Pandey.

 

He has batted at 3 as well as 5-6 and only makes our batting strong and can bowl good decent spin. We need him to be part of our squad. 

[SUMO]

rohit 
dhawan
kohli
dhoni
rahul
hooda ( hard hitter and 6th bowling option is a must )
jadeja
ashwin
shami 
yadav
bumrah

reserves : pant ( opener backup), pandey/jadhav (middle order backup ), axar (if jaddu is rested ), mishra ( if ash is rested) 
                bhuvi 

 

[bowl_out]

^^ Six bowlers is way too many for ODIs.. We used to play 4 plus a part-timer..

Remove one of Shami/Yadav and get in Pandey.

Edited December 21, 2016 by bowl_out

[Ankit_sharma03]

Good Odi sides always infuse some fresh talent every 4 yrs and modify their approach .

 

One of the reasons our Odi teams looks so jaded was coz our previous selection committee added domestic hacks to the team instead of infusing young blood. Players like Raydu, Jadhav, mishra, Rishi dhawan, unadkat, binny, vinay, faiz were added or given more than enough chances and they were extremely below avg cricketers who a lot of limitations. Time n again Zimb tour were wasted on the domestic hacks.  Add to that the downfall of our gr8s like Sehwag, gambhir, yuvraj and bhajji who were the core of the team. Their downfall also affected our test cricket but luckily in test cricket- vijay,kohli,pujara, rahane, ashwin came along. In comparison in Odi only Kohli was the only one who did well and somewhat Dhawan and rohit to. 

 

Its high time players with x-factor and extra value should be added to team irrespective of their domestic career of lack of Experience. 

 

Before Next a lot of Permutations and combinations needs to be tried Acc to me for most slots

 

1. Aggresive opener- Pant, Rahul, Dhawan 

2. Complete opener- Rohit,Rahul or Nair (Nair has a range of shot and i was really impressed in few games he opened for RR)

3. Kohli- ( Do not move him)

4. Dhoni, Rahul, Nair, Hooda 

5. Dhoni, Pandey, Raina, Hooda

6. Sarfraz, Krunal, Hooda, Raina, Yuvraj singh

7. Hardik or Krunal (depends on conditions and their maturity on international level)

8. Ashwin 

9. Bumrah

10. Shami

11. Bhuvi/Nathu/Rajpoot/Sran/Sanghwan/Aniket.C/umesh

12. Jadeja (for me he is fixed in the squad as a bowler not as an all rounder)

13. Wrist spinner - chahal or kuldeep

14. Sarfraz,Mandeep,Samson,Unumukt,Manan, Iyer  (Few who has potential with bat and can be added in future if they take their game to next level. Many might say their may not be any spot left in top order but a good player always makes his way. )

 

I dont wanna make a fixed squad with one two options for few places.Reality is that this ODI team isnt that good and is dependent on one man so it needs a lot of permutation and combination. Players need to grab their spot and value to team like in fielding or batting from tail or few overs from batsman. Only these things can lend balance and consistency to the side . Luckily there is a lot of X-factor in next generation. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[Cricketics]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Rohit

Pant

Kohli

Rahul

Dhoni (replaced by Nair once retired)

Hooda

K Pandya/H Pandya (depending on the pitch)

Jaddu/BK (depending on the pitch overseas)

Ashwin

Bumrah

Shami

BK

Umesh

Axar

Nair

Manish Pandey

No Raina really? 

[SecondSlip]

India needs to fix its middle order in ODI cricket. Numbers 4, 5 and 6 need to be looked at. 

The top 3 is perfect with Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli. All 3 average 40+ and all have strike rates of 85 and over. All 3 players are match winners on their day. 

Rahane has had many chances in ODIs and he hasn't grabbed them. He should be dropped from the ODI squad and be replaced by KL Rahul at #4. Rahul is a magnificent talent that has lots of potential to be a world class batsman, he deserves a long rope at #4. 

At #5, I would play Dhoni. It's clearly evident that Dhoni can't slog anymore when their are fewer overs left in the innings. Therefore, he shouldn't be batting below 5 in the team. 

For #6, it's a toss up between Jadhav and Raina as of now. I still believe that Suresh Raina has match winning capabilities in him and would like to see him still in the scheme of things in our ODI squad. Meanwhile Jadhav has done well against NZ in the previous series, so he deserves more chances.  

Jadeja and Ashwin should be our 2 front line spinners and should take #7 & #8 in the line up. Both can bat well and will add depth to our line up. Plus, both are match winning bowlers as well. 

Our 3 fast bowlers should be Bhuvi, Shami and Bumrah. Bhuvi and Shami are both good with the new ball and should open the bowling for us in the first 10 over PP. Jasprit Bumrah will be first change obviously. All 3 bowlers have shown good performances in LOIs in the recent years, so lets stick with them because they are all fantastic talents! 

Basically, my ODI XI if everyone is fit and raring to go: 

Rohit
Dhawan 
Kohli 
KL Rahul 
Dhoni (C & WK)
Raina / Jadhav 
Jadeja
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Shami 
Bumrah

[adi B]

Test team is far better than the odi side,its gelled more nicely to be precise.

Odi team will struggle for a year perhaps and then become strong because of the supply 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Cricketics said:

That is why, that is why we need a proven performer loke Suresh Raina. His record in ODI proves that he is one if the best finishers in the world and can come up the order and bat when their is a mini collapse or come down the order after Dhoni or Pandey.

 

He has batted at 3 as well as 5-6 and only makes our batting strong and can bowl good decent spin. We need him to be part of our squad. 

why thinking short term? Raina isn't the solution. His struggles against pace are well known to everyone now.

[GautiMaan]

When will squad for England series be announced?Will be interesting to see if Pant is picked