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On 7/23/2016 at 11:38 PM, MechEng said:

I believe being indifferent is the way forward.

We must maintain a healthy relationship but without any attachments.

 

Considering Pakistan to be officially an enemy state is still not the way forward, while 30% of their population hate us, 70% don't.

Pagal hai kya. They will love you til you start discussing Islam or Kashmir. Also do not go by Bollywood popularity. They only love Khans for obvious reasons. 

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9 hours ago, maniac said:

Why are these idiots not going to school and trying to improve their region.....if given freedom they will become bigger terrorists and create nuisance to the neighbors....Not wrong to make an example of a couple of idiots

Why are their parents not caught and tried for criminal neglect?

We are too soft a state.

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On 7/24/2016 at 10:08 AM, MechEng said:

I believe being indifferent is the way forward.

We must maintain a healthy relationship but without any attachments.

 

Considering Pakistan to be officially an enemy state is still not the way forward, while 30% of their population hate us, 70% don't.

The people don't matter because they don't make policy decisions .It is not a true democracy. No matter which party is elected by the people ,the anti India establishment remains the same.So 70 % or 99% percentage does not matter.

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11 hours ago, beautifulgame said:

Haven't their hockey team qualified ?

Pakistan hockey sinks to new low with failure to qualify for Olympics in dismal year 2015

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/sport/30-Dec-2015/pakistan-hockey-sinks-to-new-low-with-failure-to-qualify-for-olympics-in-dismal-year-2015

Although IMO they have improved from pic below .:facepalm:

 

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Mongalia's economic crash

 

Goldman Sachs and Libya

 

PS 

 

Ecuador's pristine environment destroyed by oil companies :frown:

 

Ind too will have to be careful in not having its politicians destroy things in the name of poverty reduction and economic development 

 

 

PPS

 

Ecuador drills for oil in pristine amazon

 

"Ecuador’s decision to allow oil companies to drill the ITT block, which contains around 30% of the country’s remaining reserves, has been hotly disputed since 2007 when the new Rafael Correa government pledged to permanently keep the oil underground in exchange for around $3.6bn from the international community. The “Yasuni initiative” was administered by the UN and hailed as one of the world’s most innovative conservation proposals.

 

But in August 2013, President Correa withdrew the proposal saying the pledges received from countries were minimal and that Ecuador had been failed by the international community. He argued that Ecuador, which has been devastated by oil pollution in the 1970s by US oil firms, had no option but to exploit the ITT oil to pay for poverty relief.

 

Correa’s change of mind led to demonstrations, the emergence of a political movement known as Yasunidos and a hotly-debated petition which failed to reach the threshold to trigger a national referendum.

 

Ecuador is the first country in the world to include the rights of nature in its constitution and until the Yasuni controversy it was considered one of the most environmentally-progressive countries. To reduce criticism, Correa promised that only 1/1000th of the area of the Yasuni park would be exploited and the best available technology would be used to reduce pollution."

 

 

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Pak posters have somehow found a way to compare Pak with Ind. It is like comparing a bed and breakfast lodge (Pak) with a 4 star hotel (Ind) :facepalm:.... When will Pak learn not to compare itself with Ind or any other civilized country 

 

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9 minutes ago, rett said:

Pak posters have somehow found a way to compare Pak with Ind. It is like comparing a bed and breakfast lodge (Pak) with a 4 star hotel (Ind) :facepalm:.... When will Pak learn not to compare itself with Ind or any other civilized country 

 

pakistan is poor mans saudi arabia without all that oil :giggle:

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

4. We've had separatist movement in Quebec and it still exists, Quebecois did extended rally and protest to separate from Canada but at no point did the army have the mandate to open fire or maim Canadian citizens.

 

Quick comment on the above point. That comparison is not apples to apples. Kashmir issue has been fueled by Pak which illegally occupying POK and using proxies to destabilize Ind through Kashmir 

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11 hours ago, rett said:

Pak posters have somehow found a way to compare Pak with Ind. It is like comparing a bed and breakfast lodge (Pak) with a 4 star hotel (Ind) :facepalm:.... When will Pak learn not to compare itself with Ind or any other civilized country 

 

Where are they doing it?

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On 7/26/2016 at 8:23 AM, velu said:

If Olympic committee brings border infiltration as a game, both padosi nation will win gold n silver.

Even when it comes to unsuccessful doping and fixing attempts, our padosi to the North West will win Gold hands down. No competition whatsoever :bow:

 

They can just send nominations, like Yasir Shah, Amir, etc, etc. 

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On 2016-07-28 at 0:42 AM, vayuu1 said:

Badi Badi baate,vada paav khaate, oh bhai, IT tumhari zero, manufacturing tumhari zero, production tumhari zero, services tumhari zero, to cpec kya gh..anta karega, what can Pakistan contribute right now heck even after a decade, to pehle apni kamiya dur karo

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Huh?

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For a change, something good to read from Pak. Good to know that Karachi was bustling till the 70s. 70s and earlier pics could be reminiscent of many other cities in the sub con. The chronicles probably also show how Pak changed negatively over the years.

 

Samples:

 

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^1860

 

 

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^ 1919

 

 

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^ 1962

 

 

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2 hours ago, rett said:

Not sure if that is accurate if you mean individuals in every province would be voting on it. A province in Canada can go for a referendum to get independence. If the majority in the province answer "yes", the province would then have to negotiate with the central government  .... Here is the Canadian Clarity Act -> LINK

 

Until there is "clarity" on this issue, QC example could be considered as irrelevant to this topic

 

 

 

 

The way the Quebec referendum went down, any Canadian could vote on it...in Quebec. The number of Ontarians who simply drove to Quebec to vote was pretty huge.

 

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Below is what is stated about a qualified elector:

 

"Qualified electors

According to the Québec Election Act, mentioned above, in order to be able to vote in a referendum in Québec, one has to be a qualified elector. The act applies age (18 years) and Canadian citizenship requirements.

To be a qualified elector, one must also have been domiciled in Québec for six months."

 

25 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The way the Quebec referendum went down, any Canadian could vote on it...in Quebec. The number of Ontarians who simply drove to Quebec to vote was pretty huge.

 

 

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US dossier bares Pakistan's Pathankot role

 

"HIGHLIGHTS

  • The US has handed over 1,000 pages of chats and conversations between Jaish-e-Muhammed handler and Jihadis.
  • The four fidayeen of JeM were in regular touch with their handlers in Pakistan during the 80-hour attack."

 

Will be interesting to see what action Ind takes :orderorder:

 

 

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12 minutes ago, rett said:

US dossier bares Pakistan's Pathankot role

 

"HIGHLIGHTS

  • The US has handed over 1,000 pages of chats and conversations between Jaish-e-Muhammed handler and Jihadis.
  • The four fidayeen of JeM were in regular touch with their handlers in Pakistan during the 80-hour attack."

 

Will be interesting to see what action Ind takes :orderorder:

 

 

India will put pressure to act on terrorist Maulana Masood Azhar and Pakistan will do nothing about it. This has been the trend across the years.

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38 minutes ago, rett said:

Below is what is stated about a qualified elector:

 

"Qualified electors

According to the Québec Election Act, mentioned above, in order to be able to vote in a referendum in Québec, one has to be a qualified elector. The act applies age (18 years) and Canadian citizenship requirements.

To be a qualified elector, one must also have been domiciled in Québec for six months."

 

 

Yes, it meant you must've lived in Quebec (notice, 'domiciled' is a past tense). These are 'window dressing statements' for the consumption of the Quebec nationalists. in reality, in the western world, a lot more people move around and in Canadian context, the # of people who've lived in Quebec for some time or another, is pretty high- many times the population of Quebec itself.

 

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7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Yes, it meant you must've lived in Quebec (notice, 'domiciled' is a past tense). These are 'window dressing statements' for the consumption of the Quebec nationalists. in reality, in the western world, a lot more people move around and in Canadian context, the # of people who've lived in Quebec for some time or another, is pretty high- many times the population of Quebec itself.

 

That would make sense. Since many people do tend move around, it is not necessary that someone from QC to be residing in QC at the time of the referendum. And alternatively, the law can also be used by those Canadians who resided in QC for 6-months or more. Which is why you found many Ontarian driving to QC 

 

Btw, I live in ON :p:

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Before we declare Pakistan as an enemy state, we must atleast, completely and totally close any land, air or sea travel directly between India and Pakistan. Full stop, total zero. 
If Pakistanis and Indians need to visit the opposing nations, go through a third party nation, like fly in and out through Dubai or something. 

 

Declaring someone to be one's enemy, without taking the proper protective measures first, is just stupid.

 

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Karachi would have been modern by now if it wasn't for foreign-funded MQM that destroyed Karachi and any hope of Karachi becoming modern city. Cleansing against MQM just got started, so the stability in Karachi should prevail in time. Whereas Punjab [Islamabad, Lahore and many more] and Azad Kashmir have grown beautifully, naturally and economically.

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10 hours ago, Finer said:

Karachi would have been modern by now if it wasn't for foreign-funded MQM that destroyed Karachi and any hope of Karachi becoming modern city. Cleansing against MQM just got started, so the stability in Karachi should prevail in time. Whereas Punjab [Islamabad, Lahore and many more] and Azad Kashmir have grown beautifully, naturally and economically.

foreign funded gotta love you folk's conspiracy. Why would karachi residents vote for a foreign funded party ? you have your ISI and army who have complete control whole of pakistan and yet were they sleeping all these years but started to clean up now.

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10 hours ago, Finer said:

Whereas Punjab [Islamabad, Lahore and many more] and Azad Kashmir have grown beautifully, naturally and economically.

Do you have numbers to back your comment? 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Before we declare Pakistan as an enemy state, we must atleast, completely and totally close any land, air or sea travel directly between India and Pakistan. Full stop, total zero. 
If Pakistanis and Indians need to visit the opposing nations, go through a third party nation, like fly in and out through Dubai or something. 

 

Declaring someone to be one's enemy, without taking the proper protective measures first, is just stupid.

 

Discussed it in post #10 .... IMO, there is no first or 2nd here as a declaration is not merely symbolic.  All steps can be taken in tandem

 

By declaring Pak an enemy, it gives Ind the authority to impose restrictions w/o having to justify and/or go through a long internal process

 

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44 minutes ago, Garuda said:

No the cause of the terrorism and violence goes all the way back to the idea of Pakistani identity itself. Their whole country is based on the fake identity created by anti-India and anti-Hindu rhetoric. Whenever a politician or army chief is in trouble, he invokes India and the people get behind him forgiving and forgetting all the looting he has done. If the people are still adamant, they start cross border firing and when INdia retaliates, they go "See we told you but you didn't believe. These Indians (by that they mean Hindus) are evil people out to get you. You didn't listen and we lost so much life because we were restrained by you. Otherwise we would have kicked their cowardly butts". Reality is in a full-scale war, India will tear Pakistan into pieces like a lion tears into a hyena. They are the real cowards avoiding a full scale war and promote jiihadis.

Whatever crap they do, their country is destined to be doomed. As I mentioned before, it is a nothing country with average standard of living, no big economy.

 

The more they keep building the army to send mercenaries across the border, the more their end is near.

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2 minutes ago, Garuda said:

I don't care how their country ends up. But seeing as they are full of hate and possess nukes, I wouldn't put it past them to try to take us with them. We should be confident but vigilant.

What worries me is the patronage that they are openly giving for global terrorism. They are not just our enemies, but a global enemy in my opinion. I don't know how that country is running without any major investment going on. Also, there are security concerns, but they don't care as they are more than happy funding the likes of Hafiz Saeed and other murderers to carry out terrorism in Indian soil.

 

Only a shameless country like China can side with a nation certified to be the global epicenter of terrorism. I am sure even that is going to hurt Pakistan in the long run.

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11 minutes ago, Garuda said:

They are still getting a lot of aid from US. Chinese money is obvious but China will suck Pak dry the padosis will wake up one day with nothing in hand and they think CHina is their best friend forever :giggle:. Saudi Arabia is sending all the funds to promote wahabbism, deobandism, and other radical outfits. Also the west is not exactly innocent either. They profit bigtime from islamic terror as they have a bad guy they can point to whilst swindling the world. So despite their whining about Pakistan, they will keep aiding it as long as India doesn't assert itself in diplomacy with the West. 

I know. All the photo-ops have nothing in it in terms of substance. If not, then Pakistan would have long punished for its misdeeds.

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http://www.dawn.com/news/1274226/pakistani-man-one-of-two-accomplices-charged-in-paris-attacks 

 

"PARIS: French authorities filed terror charges on Friday against two men, including Pakistani national Mohammad Usman, who are suspected to be members of the same militant Islamic State (IS) group cell that massacred 130 people in Paris last November, a judicial source said.

The 35-year-old Pakistani Mohammad Usman and 29-year-old Algerian Adel Haddadi were charged with “criminal conspiracy with terrorists”, the source said of the men turned over earlier Friday by Austrian authorities.

Investigators believe they travelled to the Greek island of Leros on October 3 on the same boat full of refugees as two men who took part in the November 13 attacks.

Those two, thought to be Iraqis, blew themselves up outside the Stade de France stadium, one of a series of brazen assaults by around 10 people around the French capital.

But Haddadi and Usman were held up, detained by Greek authorities for 25 days because they had fake Syrian passports.

Once let go, they followed the main migrant trail and made it to Salzburg in western Austria at the end of November — after the Paris attacks.

Austrian police commandos then arrested them in December at a migrant centre a few hours after French authorities informed them the men could be in the country.

After his arrest, Haddadi told investigators that he wanted to go to France to “carry out a mission,” according to a statement seen by AFP.

A source close to the investigation said that Haddadi “was meant to take part in the Paris killings with his travelling companions”.

After France filed a European arrest warrant, a court in Salzburg approved at the beginning of July the transfer of the two men to France. Prosecutors said on Friday that both have now “left the country”.

Usman is reportedly thought to be a bomb maker for Pakistani militant organisations including Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

India holds LeT, allegedly linked to Al Qaeda, responsible for attacks in 2008 in Mumbai that killed 166 people.

Usman unsuccessfully appealed against his transfer from Austria, saying he would not get a fair trial in France and that he feared for his safety.

Salzburg prosecutors added Friday that two more men, a Moroccan and an Algerian arrested eight days after the others, remained in custody.

In December prosecutors had said that the men, aged 25 and 40 at the time, were being held “because of indications of close contact” with the two now transferred to France."

 

 

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2 minutes ago, rett said:

Munich-Salzburg is one of my fav areas .... why are these guys spoiling that :wall:

 

LeT connections are coming to light 

Not surprising. When a country has the audacity to open support terrorism, it is expected that it has presence across the globe in terrorist activities.

 

I am sure Pakistan will now disown this guy saying he is not from their country.

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