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10 hours ago, gattaca said:

foreign funded gotta love you folk's conspiracy. Why would karachi residents vote for a foreign funded party ? you have your ISI and army who have complete control whole of pakistan and yet were they sleeping all these years but started to clean up now.

 

MQM was recent created and that was the moment started to spell disaster for Karachi. And Karachi residents don't vote for foreign funded party. There is the reason why they are pleased with General Raheel for the military operation against MQM after TTP. Even in elections, MQM managed to rig the elections more than one occasion. Whole Karachi is standing up together against MQM and that's why MQM leader is crying like the baby.

 

There has been military operation against MQM three times. MQM had opportunity to straighten itself, but in each time, failed to do so. After the damage MQM had done to Karachi, i doubt Pakistan army will let the leader of MQM live. This time MQM crossed the line.

 

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9 hours ago, Garuda said:

Agreed. But unofficially Pakistan is very hostile to India anyway so doesn't really matter if we declare them as our enemies or not. THey are not gonna turn into our best friends even if we give them Kashmir. Take a look at this.

 

Its not about turning them into our friends. Its about the logistics. India is notoriously slow and unreliable in looking at the finer details. its not like USA or UK where they can label a nation as 'enemy state' and within 24 hours, suspend all visas, rescind travel, shut borders and issue statements to the industry (businesses) as to how long they have to pull money/investments from the enemy state. 
So India is better off doing some of those things first, before looking like a fool who doesn't have his house in order and being trigger happy with the enemy state tag.

 

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SRINAGAR: In a sharp switch in stance, Jammu and Kashmir chief ministerMehbooba Mufti + described Pakistan+ as hypocritical and blamed it for instigating Kashmiri youths to take up weapons.


Unlike her father Mufti Mohammed Sayeed, who throughout his political career never criticised Pakistan, Mehbooba for the first time went against the political line of the PDP. "Pakistan shouldn't encourage our children to take up guns and die... I think this is hypocrisy. While Pakistan tortures those who take up guns in its own territory, it teaches some other lesson to our children. This is wrong," she told reporters on Sunday.


She also castigated Pakistan for infiltration. "Every day we get to know that infiltration is going on unabated along the borders," Mehbooba said, drawing connection between increasing terrorism in Kashmir valley and repeated intrusions from across the border. At the same time, the CM said confidence building measures with the neighbour must continue. She also said withdrawal of Armed Forces Special Powers Act "could be tried" in certain areas.

 

"Unfortunately, and not for the first time, there is such an atmosphere here. Many civilians and police personnel have died," she said.

 

 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pakistan-inciting-our-kids-to-take-up-arms-Mehbooba-Mufti/articleshow/53371730.cms

 

looks like even pro-separatist leaders are tired of pakistans shenanigans 

 

message is loud and clear to pakistan.. stop spoiling our youth and stop your infiltration :orderorder:

 

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On 7/28/2016 at 8:33 PM, SLICKR392 said:

Who are these 'actual' Kashmiri victims? 

 

On 7/30/2016 at 9:45 AM, rkt.india said:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Locals-burn-Pakistan-flag-protest-escalates-in-PoK-over-rigged-polls/articleshow/53447106.cms

 

NEELAM VALLEY: People in Neelum valley in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) on Friday took to the streets to protest against rigged July 21 elections, which was won by Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) party.



The PML-N bagged 31 out of the 41 seats up for grabs, while the Muslim Conference and Pakistan People's Party bagged three seats each.



The protesters had to face the police wrath as they burnt Pakistani flag and raised slogans against the government.



Besides blackening election posters, the protesters also burnt tyres, blocked traffic and clashed with the police personnel deployed on duty.

 

 

 


Widespread protests have been witnessed in the major PoK towns, including Muzaffarabad, Kotli, Chinari and Mirpur, after members of the PML (N) killed a supporter of the Muslim Conference (MC) in Muzaffarabad.

 

 

 


Locals allege that the elections in PoK are always fixed in favour of the ruling party in Pakistan, in current instance, for the PML-N.

 

@Asim miya

There's a reason I do not quote Pakistani media news regarding indian occupied kashmir...

u can get this news in 20 more sources like indiantehlka.com hindutohfa.com bhartiteeka.com

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21 hours ago, rett said:

No Pakistani that I know of has actually read the UN Resolution on Kashmir (even though they debate on it). So let me ask you, have you read it? If so post it here. We can compare it with wiki to see what the differences are. 

 

Surely, it is not a hard thing to do for you :dontknow:

 

I see wiki is becoming your favorite friend. :--D

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Finer, look at how many pakistanis die every year due to terrorism at www.satp.org 

Compare it with  India. Look here -

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/forums/topic/96945-usage-of-pellet-guns-in-kashmir-by-indian-forces-that-often-blind-protesters/#comment-3282658

 

Let's be clear that you guys suffer much more than India and will continue to suffer till you stop exporting terror. 

 

China does not care about you. If it did, it would actually persuade you or force you like India/USA/Afghan etc have been doing to change your policy. China is happy that you keep harming India. It knows you(pak) suffer alot more in bargain. 

 

Its paramount that you guys realize what is your actual national interest. The actual national interest is to make your citizens secure and prosperous. This can only happen if you stop sending terrorists into J&K and the rest of India. Do not be blinded by anything else. India doesn't want to divide you and doesnt want an inch of your land if you understand that Kashmir is an integral part of India.

 

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3 hours ago, Finer said:

Replace North Korea with Russia and Iran.

 

Pakistan-China-Russia-Iran. That sounds beautiful. :--D

you cant be friend with both iran and saudi :giggle:

saudi would prefer to eliminate iran more than israel

 

iran might prefer better relations with indian than pak 

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The Turkish delegation headed by Nurhan Tufekcioglu, Deputy Director General Directorate for Road Transport Regulation, Ministry of Transport, Maritime Affairs and Communications, met the senior officers of the ministry of communications, ministry of commerce and ministry of foreign affairs, a press release said

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/1151573/pakistan-turkey-likely-revive-2003-road-deal/

 

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Pak-Turkish relations transforming into economic partnership: Turkish FM

 

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"The excellent bilateral relations are already being transformed into a vibrant economic partnership as both countries want to build strong and mutually advantageous relations," he told APP in a wide-ranging exclusive interview.

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http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/pakistan/311739-pak-turkish-relations-transforming-into-economic-partnership-turkish-fm.html

 




 

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1 hour ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

We Asked Children In Kashmir What They Feel About ‘India’. This Is What They Said

 

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https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Heres-What-The-Children-Of-Kashmir-Have-To-Say-About-India/#.avrtsr3uz

 

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At least these children are not being slaughtered, the way illegal Pakistani invaders raped and slaughtered indigenous Kashmiri Pandit children and carried a genocide of Kashmiri Pandits.

 

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10 hours ago, chewy said:

At least these children are not being slaughtered, the way illegal Pakistani invaders raped and slaughtered indigenous Kashmiri Pandit children and carried a genocide of Kashmiri Pandits.

 

I think you didnt read the link ....

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Heres-What-The-Children-Of-Kashmir-Have-To-Say-About-India/#.avrtsr3uz

 

 

The Future of IOK .....

 

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18 minutes ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

I think you didnt read the link ....

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/Heres-What-The-Children-Of-Kashmir-Have-To-Say-About-India/#.avrtsr3uz

 

 

The Future of IOK .....

 

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Thank you for posting this. The kids usually do not know the full history. They usually act based on what is propagated to them. Below is the quote from the link that you posted:

 

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Muawin Tasneem, 12 years

India is tyrant. India kills people and disappears them. I want free Kashmir. I don’t want to be with India or with Pakistan. I am afraid to go out. Policemen can do anything to me. I can’t trust them. They can kill me. I rarely study. And I can’t play outside. Who should I play with? The Indian army men on the street?

 

 

If you have read UN Resolution, you would know that there is no option for a free Kashmir. Kashmir can either join Ind or Pak. Now for Kashmiris to decide on that, Pak is supposed to vacate the POK area first

 

So which country has been supporting independence movement in Kashmir in violation of what is stated in the UN Resolution, something it swears by? Which country has failed to vacate POK? 

 

What would be the need for Ind to keep its military in Kashmir if some of the local population understood the concept of living in a secular society? If these elements hadn't resorted to terrorism and driving out non-Muslim population 

 

Please read about your Operation Gibraltor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am not surprised. Good old Pakistan-Turkey. Keep it up. Good for the economical growth of both nations. Only if India understood the purpose of economical growth, the situation of Pakistan-India would have taken to new height of progression. Unfortunately, instead Pakistan is dealing with allegedly mass genocider who is now PM of India. How can you reconcile with this? :wall:

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6 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

^ now a days UN is like jis ki laathi us ki bheens ....  :adore:

and what do i know about Ops etc .... i am just a layman ..... :confused: 

I know nothing ..... :angel:

 

If you don't know much, then doing propaganda is wrong. 

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Mahwash Badar is a clinical psychologist by profession and one of a handful of liberal Pakistanis who dare to speak the truth. On May 12 she wrote an opinion piece for Pakistan’s Express Tribune Blogs, titled ‘Jinnah made a mistake and I am ashamed of being Pakistani.’ However, due to the invisible hand of the ISI both this article and her Twitter profile @MahwashB have vanished. Below is a reproduction of the original article -

 

 

Anyone who has ever travelled abroad will tell you that no matter where you go, no matter how developed a country it is that you’re travelling to – if you’re a British national or a Caucasian American, the doors become friendlier. The security becomes less pressurising. Visa queues are shorter. Procedures are simpler.

If you’re a brown Pakistani man (or even woman) who is travelling to another country – that’s a whole other story. You’re working in the Middle East, chances are your salary is just a little bit above the basic working wage – or anything that will get you a bed-space with seven other human beings. Respect is minimal.

You’re not supposed to ruffle any feathers. Or demand for rights. Your children are thousands of miles away studying (because you can’t afford education for them here), your wife probably has another job to help make ends meet and your job squeezes every drop of your blood into a tiny container that helps build the skyscrapers and that little container is thrown away quicker than you can say “burj” as soon as your company decides to say bye bye.

Pretty much the equivalent of … well, I don’t know. What is that the equivalent of? What analogy do I draw to represent the utter misery that is being a Pakistani in this super-power dominated world?

As if the current state of the country, what with its years of dictatorship and lack of infrastructure, hasn’t driven us insane enough, there is the added bonus of inviting religious extremists and letting them destroy everything we hold near and dear. Sure, apologists will reason it saying “this is not true Islam” and whatnot. But my question is when – seriously – when do we set aside the debate of what is true Islam and what isn’t?

Let the clerics and the religious scholars sit in their mosques. But once and for all, eliminate and annihilate the savage, beastly, cowardly, immoral men who buy the bodies of fragile, poverty-stricken, desperate men, strap them with explosives and send them into markets filled with innocent women and children. Finish these abhorrent elements in the society that attempt to throw us back to the Stone Age.

A recent article in the New York Times reported on the World Health Organisation (WHO) declaration of the polio emergency in Pakistan.

Last year, a polio worker was killed in Peshawar, as well as another who was shot dead in Khyber Agency. Several were kidnapped in Bara. In January this year, gunmen killed three health workers taking part in a polio vaccination drive in Karachi, not Kabul, not Sierra Leone, not Riyadh, Karachi.

My heart boils and burns as more devastating news and reports flood the channels. The New York Times article further stated that according to a report, the highest refusal rates for polio vaccination were recorded in wealthy neighbourhoods of Karachi because they had “little faith in public health care.” In North Waziristan, the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have had vaccination forbidden for years. Pakistan thus has 59 polio cases to report, the highest in the world.

- See more at: http://archive.dhakatribune.com/long-form/2014/may/26/jinnah-made-mistake-and-i-am-ashamed-being-pakistani#sthash.2DRKYWFc.UwTcwWpL.dpuf

 

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/long-form/2014/may/26/jinnah-made-mistake-and-i-am-ashamed-being-pakistani

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I hope the person is safe and alive. Never know what ISI can do.

 

Pakistan has always remained an enigma. There are countries that want to grow, so do Pakistanis. But, a section believes in extremism and propagating hate. This is the result of the Pakistan we are seeing today. 

 

The irony is, that country is still very much developing and way behind other emerging countries, but still believes that it can survive on hurting others through extremism. Never going to see the evil plans coming together. You set someone else's house on fire, the fire is going to catch up with you soon.

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Here is a reality check on Jammu & Kashmir, thanks to a forward I received (Author unknown). We need to be aware of the myths, vicious lies and half truths about the matter being propagated. The mistrust and generational brainwashing is being orchestrated by Hyenas, from across the border in Pakistan. These are forces inimical to the Union of India, and ideologically led, funded and motivated by the Government of Pakistan through the ISI. Our own Governmental ineptitude and sheer apathy (across the political spectrum) have only added fuel to the fire. Read on .... 

*KASHMIR THE UNKNOWN DISTORTED FACTS*
*Separatism: Hype vs the truth* 

1. Separatist control only 5 districts = 15% of Jammu, Kashmir & Ladakh and they are all *Sunni Muslims*.

2. The Shiais, Sufis, Hindus, Buddhists and Christians are not separatists. 

3. Two of the three regions of J&K are not Muslim majority areas. 85,000 square kilometers are not. When you talk of separatism, there havent been any protests against India in this 85 per cent area till date. 

4. Theres only one section of communityKashmiri-speaking Sunni Muslims who have a separatist agenda. When you see a TV debate on Kashmir, who do you see? Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti, Yasin Malik, Shabbir Shah, Gilani, Asiya Andrabi, and Lone. All Sunni Muslims from these 5 districts out of 22!! 

5. J&K has around 12 per cent Shia Muslims, around 12-14 per cent Gujjar Muslims and around eight per cent Pahadi Rajput Muslims, Sufis Christians, Buddhists and Hindus. None of these communities had any separatist leaders 

6. When Afzal Guru was hanged, the media made it appear as if the entire state was out on the streets. The reality was that out of 22 districts, there was not a single demonstration in 17 districts and only five districts in the Valley faced mild demonstrations. 

7. Poonch has 90 per cent Muslims but this district is dominated by powerful Sikhs. Kargil has 90 per cent Muslims, Kargil city has more than 99 per cent Muslims but there was not a single protest in those areas. 

8. Our perception about J&K is that a battle between nationalism and separatism is going on for past 68 years. Nationalism has neither been lost nor will it, because in most areas of the state, majority of the people are nationalists. 

9. There is no dispute over J&K and the only issue relating to the state is how to get back areas that are under the illegal occupation of Pakistan and China. 

'Separatism', 'dispute' and 'autonomy' are three myths associated with the state. The common perception is that J&K is a separatist state. This is because J&K is perceived first as just Kashmir - a Kashmir which is a Sunni Muslim Kashmir, a Muslim Kashmir which is a separatist Kashmirbasically a Kashmir where the Indian tricolor is burnt down and Pakistans flag is unfurled only in five districts.

The State should be considered as one entity like Jammu (with maximum of the ground area), Ladakh and only thereafter Kashmir.

Finally, Pakistan keeps harping on the UN Resolutions. But Part 2 of these Resolutions very clearly state that Pakistan has to withdraw ALL its military forces and nationals used for the purpose of fighting in J&K BEFORE a plebiscite is held. That was in 1947. It is now 2016. Pakistan has yet to withdraw all its forces from Kashmir including GB. The fact is that the PA will never withdraw its forces from POK. This UN Resolution is thus dead as a dodo. 

Secondly, Pakistan signed the Resolution under Chapter VI of the UN Charter which makes the Resolution *NON ENFORCEABE.* 

So Pakistan needs to stop this charade of blaming India for not adhering to the UN Resolutions.

 

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1 hour ago, Finer said:

Hence the term 'allegedly'.

Well the Pakistanis of all the so called 'noble' countries openly speaks crap about our PM without any proof. Little will they understand how a democracy functions and how the PM in any democratic setup is elected.

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I remember reading an article about Gul express, a train from Islamabad to Istanbul via Tehran.

 

This project is still under progress, the big challenge here is the poor railway infrastructure in Pakistan Iran border.

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A fascinating map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

 

• India and Jordan by far the least tolerant. In only two of 81 surveyed countries, more than 40 percent of respondents said they would not want a neighbor of a different race. This included 43.5 percent of Indians and 51.4 percent of Jordanian.

 

• Pakistan, remarkably tolerant, also an outlier. Although the country has a number of factors that coincide with racial intolerance – sectarian violence, its location in the least-tolerant region of the world, low economic and human development indices – only 6.5 percent of Pakistanis objected to a neighbor of a different race. This would appear to suggest Pakistanis are more racially tolerant than even the Germans or the Dutch.

 

 

 

 

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Imran Khans party PTI  wanrs Doraemon banned

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Wednesday’s session of the Punjab Assembly witnessed a first of its kind resolution, submitted by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), calling for ban on famous Japanese anime series Doraemon.

In his resolution, MPA Malik Taimoor Masood urged Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) to impose a ban on Doraemon or limit its airtime as it contains explicit content which has a bad impact on children.

Masood argued that 24-hour cartoon channels are adversely affecting the educational and physical growth of children. The resolution also claims the language used in cartoons run on channels is damaging societal norms. The resolution will be discussed in the next PA session.

Doraemon is a Japanese manga series and is dubbed in Hindi for viewers in Pakistan and India. The anime series revolves around a robotic cat named Doraemon and a young boy Nobita. It is aired on various cartoon channels.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/03-Aug-16/pti-wants-doraemon-banned-in-pakistan

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lol why are threads discussing different topics such as a) CPEC, b) violence in Kashmir (which is actually happening in Ind), c) TV shows, d) etc. merged in to one? This is like merging a thread on a) politics in Bihar and UP, b) shows debating economic policies, and c) terrorism in Kashmir, d) etc. in to an Ind related thread because it has the term Ind 

 

Are you expecting someone to discuss terrorism in Kashmir (Ind's territory), with what is happening b/w Pak and Turkey, and some TV shows on one thread? Do you expect the post on this thread to go like this:

 

CPEC 

TV Debate on Kashmir

Nawaz Sharif visit China

CPEC

Pellets 

Rajnath visit Pak 

Turkey-Pak road

Violence in Kashmir

 

If you don't like to see word Pakistan on here, why don't you create a sub forum for Sub continent geopolitics? 

 

 

 

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This thread is a mess. If things don't clean up soon, I am done with posting on this section

 

I see that many posters have gone to great lengths to do research on topics and post information here. Their effort has gone to waste as well by this merge 

 

 

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