Our away test series form in the decade of 2001-2010

[New guy]

People keep claiming that India was always bad overseas so the recent bad performances on away tour is no big deal. However, we had seen a marked improvement in our overseas tour after 2000s for at least 10 years. Here's a look at our performance away in that decade which caused us to be ranked no 1

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;spanmax1=31+Dec+2010;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

 

 

 

in Australia	2003-2008	8	2	3	0	3	0.666	39.73	3.36	16	705	161
in Bangladesh	2004-2010	6	5	0	0	1	-	53.41	3.94	9	610	243
in England	2002-2007	7	2	1	0	4	2.000	42.46	3.29	12	664	201
in India	2001-2010	50	24	7	0	19	3.428	41.07	3.27	90	726	76
in New Zealand	2002-2009	5	1	2	0	2	0.500	33.18	3.28	10	520	99
in Pakistan	2004-2006	6	2	2	0	2	1.000	50.60	4.02	9	675	238
in South Africa	2001-2010	7	2	4	0	1	0.500	26.60	3.22	14	459	136
in Sri Lanka	2001-2010	9	3	5	0	1	0.600	31.32	3.16	17	707	138
in West Indies	2002-2006	9	2	2	0	5	1.000	35.13	2.98	15	588	102
in Zimbabwe	2001-2005	4	3	1	0	0	3.000	36.76	3.30	7	554	234

 

In Australia - Played 8 - won 2- lost 3- drew 3.

This included a 1-1 series tie and the controversial 2-1 loss where Kumble questioned the spirit of cricket and we got Bucknoered. No other team came even close, in the same period England played 10 matches, won 1, lost 9

 

Bangladesh - Played 6 - won 5 - lost 0 - drew 1

 

In England - Played 7 - Won 2 - lost 1 - drew 4

This included a series win in England. 

 

In New zealand - Played 5 - Won 1 - Lost 2 - Drew 2

For some time NZ was our toughest tour. However, under Dhoni we won the series 1-0 in 2009

 

In Pakistan - Played 6, won 2, lost 2, drew 2

 

In South Africa - Played 7, won 2, lost 4, drew 1

In our last series in SA we drew the series 1-1 under Dhoni

 

In Sri Lanka - Played 9, won 3, lost 5, drew 1

Surprisingly, for a long time Sri Lanka was our biggest nemesis away from home

 

WI - - Played 9, won 2, lost 2, drew 5

 

Zim - Played 4, won 4, lost 1

We surprisingly lost one test to Zim in this decade

 

 

Well, the highlight would be - we were improving our overseas performance every day. We started winning in places like England, WI and NZ and drew in SA and Aus. Even when we lost the series, they were well fought with lots of draws. There was no whitewashes at all. So when after this decade, our overseas performance completely nose-dived, there was a genuine reason for concern and a big disappointment for fans who believed we had finally started competing overseas

 

What happened post 2010? 

 

in Australia	2011-2015	8	0	6	0	2	0.000	30.09	3.22	16	475	161
in Bangladesh	2015-2015	1	0	0	0	1	0.000	77.00	4.46	1	462	-
in England	2011-2014	9	1	7	0	1	0.142	25.65	3.13	18	457	94
in India	2011-2016	27	21	2	0	4	10.500	41.28	3.40	45	759	142
in New Zealand	2014-2014	2	0	1	0	1	0.000	35.51	3.76	4	438	202
in South Africa	2011-2013	3	0	1	0	2	0.000	33.73	2.88	6	421	223
in Sri Lanka	2015-2015	3	2	1	0	0	2.000	30.87	3.26	6	393	112
in West Indies	2011-2016	7	3	0	0	4	-	36.68	3.11	10	566	201

 

Our win loss ratio completely nose-dived with Sri Lanka being our only saving grace. 0% win loss ratio in Aus, SA, NZ. 14% in England. In previous decade all of these were above 30% and England and Australia we had close to/over 40% win-loss ratio for a decade

 

When fans complain that our overseas record has nose-dived and then some other fans claim that we were always so bad. Some fans claim fab 4 didnt do anything overseas.  I would like them to see these numbers. We were on an improvement spree overseas. We were improving every day. Our bowlers were doing good. We were starting to see results. And then suddenly we took a backward turn and nose-dived. Why? Did we lose interests in tests overall? Did we play too many matches? Did IPL have an impact (IPL started in 2008). FAB 4 on the verge of retiring/retired? If we want to improve our overseas performance, we have to find out what changed after 2010. 

 

Edited December 30, 2016 by New guy

[Sidhoni]

Small correction : we won 2 and lost 1 in Eng from '00-'10. You wrotr the reverse.

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

Small correction : we won 2 and lost 1 in Eng from '00-'10. You wrotr the reverse.

I did. Thanks!

[Vilander]

nice compilation, stick the thread somewhere so that we can point to it if someone says we were always crap overseas.

[putrevus]

You have remove both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both were minnows and those wins mask the deficiencies of this team.The link you gave is high point of their performances.They have winning record only against one team which is England where they won two tests.

Mind you they faced Australia without Warne and Mcgrath during this period who knows what would their record would have been if  both were present.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+2010;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

 

It took them four years from 1996 to get to that point.Reality is they lost more tests in  two series  than they ever won in their whole careers.

 

If you compare high water mark of other teams ,you can easily see Indian teams with Fab four  are the poorest travellers of all greatest teams of every country in terms of performance.As a fan you can understand rebuilding and losing if it leads to greatness but during fab four era it never led to any greatness.

 

Yes they lacked bowlers to win them matches but they never helped their bowlers either.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2016 by putrevus

[express bowling]

In the 2000s decade, we did decently in test matches outside Asia ( excluding Zimbabwe )  and had a win-loss ratio of 0.67.   We  won 8 tests and lost 12.  

 

With  only one strike-pacer per team, that is a good achievement.  We  were helped by 4 or 5 good batsmen and captains at their peaks during most tours.

 

If we can tour with a captain at his peak....2 strike-pacers.....4 good batsmen...we can achieve much more.

 

 

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	2000-2009	35	8	12	0	15	0.666	35.49	3.21	65	705	99

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=won;spanmax2=31+Dec+2009;spanmin2=01+Jan+2000;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team

 

 

Edited December 30, 2016 by express bowling

[New guy]

17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You have remove both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both were minnows and those wins mask the deficiencies of this team.The link you gave is high point of their performances.They have winning record only against one team which is England where they won two tests.

Mind you they faced Australia without Warne and Mcgrath during this period who knows what would their record would have been if  both were present.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+2010;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

 

It took them four years from 1996 to get to that point.Reality is they lost more tests in  two series  than they ever won in their whole careers.

 

If you compare high water mark of other teams ,you can easily see Indian teams with Fab four  are the poorest travellers of all greatest teams of every country in terms of performance.As a fan you can understand rebuilding and losing if it leads to greatness but during fab four era it never led to any greatness.

 

Yes they lacked bowlers to win them matches but they never helped their bowlers either.

 

 

What has Warne ever done against our team that we keep bringing it up? Australia was invincible at home during that period. Ad because of our lack of bowling we batted out a lot of draw which we should have won with better bowlers. We have lost the art of drawing too after that period

 

You talk about greatness but the greatest Australian team of all time lost in India. Somehow that is never held against them

Edited December 30, 2016 by New guy

[putrevus]

16 minutes ago, New guy said:

What has Warne ever done against our team that we keep bringing it up? Australia was invincible at home during that period. Ad because of our lack of bowling we batted out a lot of draw which we should have won with better bowlers. We have lost the art of drawing too after that period

Warne might not have done anything great against India but he sure would have been better than Stuart Mcagill or Brad Hogg. During that time every other country had their weaker teams except Srilanka.

 

You do not need art of drawing matches if team is going for wins and loses some in the processes every fan would sign up for it. People have short memories when they were screaming about England series losses in 2014, fab four era when they were starting were whitewashed in Australia 1999 ,lost 0-2 in South Africa in 1997 (66 and 100 all out in Durban).

Compare them with new guys who were competitive in all series and tests except England . Indian Bowling especially fast bowling was better during 2001-2009.

Edited December 30, 2016 by putrevus

[putrevus]

26 minutes ago, New guy said:

What has Warne ever done against our team that we keep bringing it up? Australia was invincible at home during that period. Ad because of our lack of bowling we batted out a lot of draw which we should have won with better bowlers. We have lost the art of drawing too after that period

 

You talk about greatness but the greatest Australian team of all time lost in India. Somehow that is never held against them

Australian team won a series in India with fab four in 2004, what else you need from a team they won everywhere both in ODIs and tests.

[MCcricket]

2010 to 2014 Dhoni effect took place n we played bad, before that n after that we were good, plz post records in which Dhoni is captain.

Infact if you leave aside SA India might be the best tourer as far as performances abroad if you leave the period where Dhoni was captain after 2000

[MCcricket]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139790-cricket-statistics-ms-dhonis-test-record-as-india-captain-away-from-home

 

India's Test Record Away From Home Under Notable Captains

Captain	M	W	D	L	Win %
Sourav Ganguly	28	11	7	10	39%
Rahul Dravid	17	5	8	4	29%
MS Dhoni	25	6	8	11	24%
Nawab of Pataudi	13	3	0	10	23%
Bishan Bedi	14	3	3	8	21%
Kapil Dev	14	2	9	3	14%
Sunil Gavaskar	18	2	10	6	11%
Mohammad Azharuddin	27	1	16	10	4%
Sachin Tendulkar	13	0	7	6	0%

ESPN Cricinfo

 

As shown in the table above, only 

[Jimmy Cliff]

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What happened post 2010? 

Most of our stalwarts declined/retired (Viru, Gambo, RD, SRT, VVS, Zak) at roughly the same time which is a recipe for a disaster.

[BeautifulGame]

That drawn series in Australia ,they had a bowling attack of Brad willams Macgill and Bracken. We really should have won that series .That was our best chance to win in Australia , we had 5 of our greatest players in that XI,arguably at their peak, and yet we still messed up.

Also even the 2008 series we screwed up ourselves .Not playing Sehwag in the first 2 tests , opening with Dravid to accommodate Yuvi , it was a mess .

Yes we had a decent time in that period from 2000-2009 but that was our greatest team ffs .We could pick our All time XI today ,5-6,even 7 players from that era would walk into it .We underachieved awfully both home and away.We even failed to beat England and Pakistan at home during that period .Only credible away series win was that one in England and later New Zealand .

For the team we had we horribly underachieved .The amount of time our great batsmen failed when crucial time in the series was ridiculous for the ability they had.We had absolutely no business losing that MCG test for example.Neither should have lost the series to Pakistan in 2006.

No point glossing over and hyping up a mediocre record by a great team which should have achieved far more.

[Gambit]

13 hours ago, putrevus said:

You have remove both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe both were minnows and those wins mask the deficiencies of this team.The link you gave is high point of their performances.They have winning record only against one team which is England where they won two tests.

Mind you they faced Australia without Warne and Mcgrath during this period who knows what would their record would have been if  both were present.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+2010;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

 

It took them four years from 1996 to get to that point.Reality is they lost more tests in  two series  than they ever won in their whole careers.

 

If you compare high water mark of other teams ,you can easily see Indian teams with Fab four  are the poorest travellers of all greatest teams of every country in terms of performance.As a fan you can understand rebuilding and losing if it leads to greatness but during fab four era it never led to any greatness.

 

Yes they lacked bowlers to win them matches but they never helped their bowlers either.

 

 

 

That is unnecessarily harsh and inaccurate. Were you expecting a notoriously poor away team like India to start winning series overnight? What the team with the big 4 achieved was this - doubled the number of tests won in Australia and drew a series, won first test and overall 2 tests in South Africa and achieved first series drawn for India, won first test and first series in Pakistan, drew a series and won a series in England after 20 years, won a series in NZ after 1960s, won a test in WI after some 25 years and then won a series. If this isn't substantial progress (that too without having a single ATG bowler), then maybe your expectations were to win every series during the decade.

 

Coming to Australia, despite being the greatest team of all time, they lost to India in 2001 DESPITE India being without Srinath and Kumble (India's best bowlers) for almost all of the series. And since we are nitpicking and you are highlighting the absence of great players to downplay results here you go: in 2004 against Australia, the big 4 did not play together in ANY of the 4 tests. So maybe we should just discount that win by Australia. In fact, when Tendulkar did play, Australia won 1 and lost 1, so maybe the series count should be 1-1 according to your reasoning.

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 hours ago, MCcricket said:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139790-cricket-statistics-ms-dhonis-test-record-as-india-captain-away-from-home

 

India's Test Record Away From Home Under Notable Captains

Captain	M	W	D	L	Win %
Sourav Ganguly	28	11	7	10	39%
Rahul Dravid	17	5	8	4	29%
MS Dhoni	25	6	8	11	24%
Nawab of Pataudi	13	3	0	10	23%
Bishan Bedi	14	3	3	8	21%
Kapil Dev	14	2	9	3	14%
Sunil Gavaskar	18	2	10	6	11%
Mohammad Azharuddin	27	1	16	10	4%
Sachin Tendulkar	13	0	7	6	0%

ESPN Cricinfo

 

As shown in the table above, only 

Ganguly won 1 test each in Wi,Aus,Eng, SL, Pak rest would be against Bang n Zimb.

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Most of our stalwarts declined/retired (Viru, Gambo, RD, SRT, VVS, Zak) at roughly the same time which is a recipe for a disaster.

Also Viru, gambo, bhajji, Zaheer shud have been the senior core of the team coz Dravid, VVS, Srt were about to retire and as next generation they shud have taken the responsibilty but their failure Left the team in a mess. Now this team has a good senior core of Kohli, Ashwin, Shami, Vijay, rahane and somewhat ishant n pujara to. 

[Cricketics]

I like saying that we were crap overseas to point out to my elders that they lived in the era when India really sucked over seas.

 

The years you covered in the stats in OP, are part of my era and probabaly for most people here. So basically I believe we grew up in that time when Indian team mostly has only improved, especially overseas.

 

Yes, we might have seen the odd 1999 0-3 Aus tour etc when we were not even teenagers, and saw some bad NZ tours, but for me we sucked overseas before I was old enough to understand the game 

[putrevus]

On 12/31/2016 at 0:12 AM, Gambit said:

 

That is unnecessarily harsh and inaccurate. Were you expecting a notoriously poor away team like India to start winning series overnight? What the team with the big 4 achieved was this - doubled the number of tests won in Australia and drew a series, won first test and overall 2 tests in South Africa and achieved first series drawn for India, won first test and first series in Pakistan, drew a series and won a series in England after 20 years, won a series in NZ after 1960s, won a test in WI after some 25 years and then won a series. If this isn't substantial progress (that too without having a single ATG bowler), then maybe your expectations were to win every series during the decade.

 

Coming to Australia, despite being the greatest team of all time, they lost to India in 2001 DESPITE India being without Srinath and Kumble (India's best bowlers) for almost all of the series. And since we are nitpicking and you are highlighting the absence of great players to downplay results here you go: in 2004 against Australia, the big 4 did not play together in ANY of the 4 tests. So maybe we should just discount that win by Australia. In fact, when Tendulkar did play, Australia won 1 and lost 1, so maybe the series count should be 1-1 according to your reasoning.

Is Kumble an ATG bowler and when fans of one of the Fab4  make him to be an all time best batsman you expect better results. The number of collapses and losses which  Fab4 had even when their bowlers delivered is the problem.When  your batting line up stacks up stats wise  with best in world you expect more from them.

Even Srilanka with just Rangana Herath won a test in SA with lot less resources and fab4 won just one extra test with so much greater resources and chances.

No one expected them to win 16 tests on trot or win multiple world cups. But to expect win multiple tests across in some nations is not too much to ask. Heck they even failed to reach semis in 2 of three world cups and were bounced out by lowly Bangladesh.

 

It took an all time great innings for Aussies to lose in 2001.When was India such a force to reckon when they traveled.If you think lack of bowling was the only reason for India not winning more tests overseas then we must have seen totally different matches.

 

I as a fan totally understand lack of success from 1960s to 1990s when they had very meager resources but that was not case during fab4 era .Going forward if Indian team under Kohli or anyone else does not win series overseas then it will be total failure, as a fan I would be totally disappointed.

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2017 by putrevus