Jimmy Cliff Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Strange thread. Ashwin has been gun in last 3 50 over ICC tournaments. Needs to have a few games before the next Champions Trophy. rahulrulezz 1 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Strange thread. Ashwin has been gun in last 3 50 over ICC tournaments. Needs to have a few games before the next Champions Trophy. Bonkers thread actually classic silly over reaction of Indian fans . First odi game in a year and thread started after his first 4 overs lol rahulrulezz 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: Bonkers thread actually classic silly over reaction of Indian fans . First odi game in a year and thread started after his first 4 overs lol who said only greenbros are wrist-slitters. rahulrulezz 1 Link to comment
rahulrulezz Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ashwin is a must. However I would have Kuldeep over Jadeja. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I wouldnt have played him this series,we are wasting his time.Keep him fresh for the aussie series. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hang on showed his all rounder skills with composed contribution at then end . never seen a thread fail so quick Vilander and Screopho 2 Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Good hit at the end.If he can hit fast bowlers it will be good. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Only Akshar Patel and Jasprit Bumrah have better economy rate than Ashwin. He lacks wicket taking ability in ODIs. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 On 1/15/2017 at 4:44 AM, rkt.india said: Ashwin isn't an alrounder in ODIs. some posters here consider Bhuvi as an all rounder too lol express bowling 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Only Akshar Patel and Jasprit Bumrah have better economy rate than Ashwin. He lacks wicket taking ability in ODIs. And that is a big issue for us in middle overs . His negative leg stump line is too easy to negate and allows batsmen to ease in without any trouble. Unless Ashwin is forced to shift his line to more 4th stump instead leg stump , he deserves to be dropped. He was dropped from the test team ,worked on his game and came back strong.No reason he cannt do that in Odis . Also a mystery spinner (Chinaman bowlers are so rare ) like Kuldeep will always better chances in Odis than a classical offspinner like Ashwin. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 His batting can be useful. They can try Jayant if he can hit. But this is a rebuilding side. Need some batsmen down the order. Unless you have solid backup option i would persist with him. On a slightly turning wicket he can be handy. Also he is one guy who can open the bowling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSQZGcIg-CU You can't drop a bowler who bowled ball of the century in ODI :) Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: His batting can be useful. They can try Jayant if he can hit. But this is a rebuilding side. Need some batsmen down the order. Unless you have solid backup option i would persist with him. On a slightly turning wicket he can be handy. Also he is one guy who can open the bowling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSQZGcIg-CU You can't drop a bowler who bowled ball of the century in ODI :) He bats at 9.Hardly ever bats much in ODIs and doesnt have the power game either to be useful.And add to that he is pretty much a liability in the field.Hardly the multifaced cricketer in shorter formats.His only major utility is bowling. ANd if the wicket is such a turner that we need Ashwin a 3rd spinner to open,there is no harm in ringing him in.The issue is about his ability in the modern flat odi wickets and in specific his inability to take wickets in middle overs . Link to comment
maniac Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Ashwin is a big match player....throw the stats out for a second if it is a final or semifinal of a major event,I would go with Ashwin,hell even over Jadeja leave alone Mishra etc. Ash is more or less like Steyn,under achiever in ODI's but still a big name and a big match player. What I agree with is he doesn't need to play every useless ODI game out there. rahulrulezz and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 Ashwin is a big match player....throw the stats out for a second if it is a final or semifinal of a major event,I would go with Ashwin,hell even over Jadeja leave alone Mishra etc. Ash is more or less like Steyn,under achiever in ODI's but still a big name and a big match player. What I agree with is he doesn't need to play every useless ODI game out there. Based on that logic we should bring back Raina as well.He actually played far more impactful match winning knocks in big games than Ashwin's spells. The problem with Ashwin isn't that he is just offcolour so that he can turn it on in big games . It's the line he bowls in Odis .He has consistently been bowling the negative leg stump line in defensive mode .Yes it reflects in his decent economy rate but the problem with the power hitting in Odis , wickets are essential in middle overs .Containing by defensive bowling will simply not work.His figures may suffer but team suffers in the late overs as a result. He has not taken a single 4-fer against any decent opposition in his career.How on earth he can have match winning without taking wickets .Being economical isn't big game performances.Taking wickets is. Link to comment
renjith Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Kuldeep and a wrist leg spinner both looking for wickets will be better than Ashwin and jaddu bowling defensive in middle overs and our quick bowlers getting smacked all over the place in final 10 overs. Containment is out of place in mordern ODIs. Taking wickets is the only way to restrict opposition for a low to medium score. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said: He bats at 9.Hardly ever bats much in ODIs and doesnt have the power game either to be useful.And add to that he is pretty much a liability in the field.Hardly the multifaced cricketer in shorter formats.His only major utility is bowling. ANd if the wicket is such a turner that we need Ashwin a 3rd spinner to open,there is no harm in ringing him in.The issue is about his ability in the modern flat odi wickets and in specific his inability to take wickets in middle overs . yes you can rotate him around leaving him out on flat surfaces. No problem there. But even on a slightly turning pitch he will turn into a monster. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 hours ago, maniac said: Ashwin is a big match player....throw the stats out for a second if it is a final or semifinal of a major event,I would go with Ashwin,hell even over Jadeja leave alone Mishra etc. Ash is more or less like Steyn,under achiever in ODI's but still a big name and a big match player. What I agree with is he doesn't need to play every useless ODI game out there. He last odi was jan 2016 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Gets root . This is the day ashwin shoves it back to icf like yuvraj did Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 After a long time Ashwin has gone back to the offstump line.This is what we want see ,even on flat wickets try to get wickets . Hopefully he sticks to this positive line of attack .But if he goes back to that negative leg stump like , he deserves to be dropped. tweaker 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/15/2017 at 8:07 PM, rahulrulezz said: Ashwin is a must. However I would have Kuldeep over Jadeja. Gotta be crazy to drop Jaddu Link to comment
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