Yoda-esque Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Each at their spot is one of the best ever... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, kosingh said: Kohli's average of 53.10 is the 4th highest of all time, 0.54 away from being the 2nd highest highest of all time. I think I'm going with Kohli, simply because of the magic he does while chasing. Third best. kosingh 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Only thing that can be held against Kohli is that he hasn't face any good ODI bowlers in his career. Malinga, Ajmal to some extent. Maybe Starc in future, but that's it. No wasim, waqar, McGrath, Donald, Amrose, Lee, Akhtar, Murali in cricket. Not suprising that all top wicket takers played in 90s- 2000s era. You don't see swing and turn in ODIs anymore. This was not the case 15 years ago. Reverse swing has been completely eliminated from ODIs. MechEng and nevada 2 Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Only thing that can be held against Kohli is that he hasn't face any good ODI bowlers in his career. Malinga, Ajmal to some extent. Maybe Starc in future, but that's it. You don't see swing and turn in ODIs anymore. This was not the case 15 years ago. Reverse swing has been completely eliminated from ODIs. Fielding is 10 times better than 90s. Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Who is greater - Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh. Troll thread. SrT is the greatest ODI opener ever. Dhoni the one-day batsman was a shape-shifter with ice in his veins, played with power early in his career, took the burden of captaincy and finishing - did better than anybody else ever at that spot. Add to that his leadership and 'keeping. VK is a run-machine at #3 - master of the middle overs, absolutely brilliant in setting up a chase, finishing it often. Maybe when VK's career is done, you can do a comparison. Right now? This is just a troll thread. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
MechEng Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Kohli has more range of shots than Tendulkar but it would have been interesting to know how Kohli would have fared on subcontinent conditions in the 1990s when pitches were very slow and had low bounce, making it difficult to play lofted shots, plus there used to be lots of reverse swing then. sandeep 1 Link to comment
kira Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, MechEng said: Kohli has more range of shots than Tendulkar but it would have been interesting to know how Kohli would have fared on subcontinent conditions in the 1990s when pitches were very slow and had low bounce, making it difficult to play lofted shots, plus there used to be lots of reverse swing then. LOL wut sandeep 1 Link to comment
narenpande1 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 There is a psychological aspect too.. Kohli seems the Greater of the two since India is winning many more games and has far more dominant ODI players these days. Kohli is going through a form equivalent to Sachin's between 94-98 when he was simply a batting god. But an unbiased view is that Kohli has a bigger mongrel in him. Feel he is mentally tougher in more difficult situations. Also somehow his performances and attitude rub off on the team. Never saw this with Sachin, who may have been unlucky perhaps in this regard. Kohli pips tendulkar overall. Dhoni is simply Indias MVP in ODIS ever, by summing up as a WK and captain apart from being one of the best death over players ever. sandeep and Shunya 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Fielding is 10 times better than 90s. That doesn't compensate for the difference in bowling. It can be difference between average of 22 and 23, but not for average of 22 and 30. Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: That doesn't compensate for the difference in bowling. It can be difference between average of 22 and 23, but not for average of 22 and 30. It makes a lot of difference.More catches taken and runs saved. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: It makes a lot of difference.More catches taken and runs saved. Lot of difference, yes, but how much. Will Ishant Sharma become Wasim Akaram with SA fielding? Will Anderson be as good as Donald in ODIs with Australian fielders? Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Lot of difference, yes, but how much. Will Ishant Sharma become Wasim Akaram with SA fielding? Ishant once avgd 20 in AUS. Link to comment
kira Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Lot of difference, yes, but how much. Will Ishant Sharma become Wasim Akaram with SA fielding? Will Anderson be as good as Donald in ODIs with Australian fielders? Your favorite amir would have certainly become wasim with better fielding, according to the padosi fans at least Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Malcolm Merlyn said: Ishant once avgd 20 in AUS. Will his overall career be as good as Wasim in ODIs if he is given SA fielders?' Fielding creates a difference but it is not enough to compensate the difference which exists between modern bowlers and bowlers of 90s. No bowler averaging 30+ will become an ATG even with 10 best fielders in the world. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, kira said: Your favorite amir would have certainly become wasim with better fielding, according to the padosi fans at least Yeah, that's kind of logic which isn't common in cricket. Link to comment
New guy Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, narenpande1 said: There is a psychological aspect too.. Kohli seems the Greater of the two since India is winning many more games and has far more dominant ODI players these days. Kohli is going through a form equivalent to Sachin's between 94-98 when he was simply a batting god. But an unbiased view is that Kohli has a bigger mongrel in him. Feel he is mentally tougher in more difficult situations. Also somehow his performances and attitude rub off on the team. Never saw this with Sachin, who may have been unlucky perhaps in this regard. Kohli pips tendulkar overall. Dhoni is simply Indias MVP in ODIS ever, by summing up as a WK and captain apart from being one of the best death over players ever. India won a lot of games at home with sachin in his prime so dunno what you are talking about Link to comment
goose Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Successive sport generations generally get better at what they do. Once you account for this (not an easy thing to quantify) Tendulkar stands alone. nevada, sandeep and moniker 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, goose said: Cannot compare eras but if you must it's still Tendulkar. You've just seen Yuvraj and Dhoni do what Kohli did on Sunday. Tendulkar did what nobody else could at the time. what exactly was that Tendulkar did which nobody did? Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Will his overall career be as good as Wasim in ODIs if he is given SA fielders?' Fielding creates a difference but it is not enough to compensate the difference which exists between modern bowlers and bowlers of 90s. No bowler averaging 30+ will become an ATG even with 10 best fielders in the world. Will a donkey be a horse if given steroids?NO But will a avg stud win a derby if given steroids?Likely. Link to comment
kira Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, putrevus said: what exactly was that Tendulkar did which nobody did? tendulkar averaged 40+ with a strike rate close to 90 in the 90s and that too as an opener, tell me how many odi players matched that in the 90s? Link to comment
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