express bowling Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Cricketics said: In places like England, Bhuvi should be one of the 3 seamers, regardless of whichever two the other seamers are. Bhuvi is picked when swing is on offer and that will continue to happen. He is not really in completion with any fast bowlers, especially on non-swing-friendly tracks. I am talking about the slots for genuine fast bowlers. Umesh's test career can end only when we have 3 fast bowlers who are better in terms of skills and have similar pace to him. Edited February 20, 2017 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 ? Shami outperforms him over the same duration quite easily. Check the stats of umesh in above link Its not too bad for genuine quick bowler Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bhuvi is picked when swing is on offer and that will continue to happen. He is not really in completion with any fast bowler, especially on non-swing-friendly tracks. I am talking about the slots for genuine fast bowlers. Umesh's test career can end only when we have 3 fast bowlers who are better in terms of skills and have similar pace to him. I am not mentioning Umesh at all. Even if Umesh is playing every game, I feel Bhuvi can play overseas regardless of swing being on offer or not. Bhuvi has taken 5fer in windies when it wasn't just swinging conditions. So he can always be one of the three seamers. We need to have one accurate seamer like him who can keep it tight all the time. And eventually get wickets. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Cricketics said: I am not mentioning Umesh at all. Even if Umesh is playing every game, I feel Bhuvi can play overseas regardless of swing being on offer or not. Bhuvi has taken 5fer in windies when it wasn't just swinging conditions. So he can always be one of the three seamers. We need to have one accurate seamer like him who can keep it tight all the time. And eventually get wickets. We are not discussing Bhuvi here. He may or may not play..... time will tell. I was addressing those people who want Umesh removed permanently from the test team ...... and that won't happen unless our team finds 3 quick bowlers who are better in terms of skills than Umesh. Skilled medium pacers won't replace him. Edited February 20, 2017 by express bowling Mosher and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, speedheat said: Sorry but you sounds like a soar grapes Pitches now a days are nothing but pattaas all over the world the batsman friendly rules dont help either!! THIS IS A BATSMANS ERA I have been watching cricket for nearly 20 years now I have seen guys like dodda ganesh venky Prasad opening the bowling for us this trundlers have given us nothing but made us laughing stock So atleast you agreed that umesh at his best that's it ur calling him fool will not block him from being our best strike bowler with PHAAAACE LHYYYAKE FHIEEER! On what basis? Imaginary strikes? 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Umesh has improved his accuracy from the SA series 2015.... and has been going at 2.87 runs per over from then in his last 12 tests..... which is pretty standard. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/376116.html?class=1;spanmin1=05+Nov+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=match WIth avg of 40, SR of 87 and not even 2 wickets per match. 20 minutes ago, express bowling said: We are not discussing Bhuvi here. He may or may not play..... time will tell. I was addressing those people who want Umesh removed permanently from the test team ...... and that won't happen unless our team finds 3 quick bowlers who are better in terms of skills than Umesh. Skilled medium pacers won't replace him. Bhuvi, Shami and Ishant all are better than him Muloghonto 1 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 46 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bhuvi is picked when swing is on offer and that will continue to happen. He is not really in completion with any fast bowlers, especially on non-swing-friendly tracks. I am talking about the slots for genuine fast bowlers. Umesh's test career can end only when we have 3 fast bowlers who are better in terms of skills and have similar pace to him. Err no. Umesh's test career ends when there are 3 fast bowlers better than him. If its 3 military medium better than him, then so it is. If its 3 faster bowlers better than him, so he is. There is a common caribbean saying, that goes something like 'if he only fast, faster they come, faster they go'. And that is our Umesh in most conditions. Right now, we have two pacers who are better than him: Shami and Ishant. We need to keep Umesh on a short leash and if we play 3 pacers when all are fit , the 3rd pacer slot should go to one of Rajput/Choudhary/Thampi, etc. There makes no sense in carrying a third tier pacer, at his peak, when it is clear, that his peak is not up to test class and he, at best, should be 'injury relief' guy, just like how Bhuvi may indeed be a 'swing & seam pitch specialist'. A guy with an average of nearly 40, while also taking less than 3 wickets/match, is a disgrace and India should keep giving chances to other pacers, until another one sticks. Its total nonsense to say that Umesh should play, just because he has speed, even fi there are 3 pacers doing better than him. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: On what basis? Imaginary strikes? WIth avg of 40, SR of 87 and not even 2 wickets per match. Bhuvi, Shami and Ishant all are better than him Not sure about Ishant but Bhuvi and Shami are surely better. I honestly would play Umesh than Ishant if the game is tomorrow. Ishant has given me lot of hard time as Indian cricket fan. Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 umesh aint going anywhere, the military diblidobluy dlooolijbulobby days are gone:aha: Kohli era begins ending this trundlers soon express bowling 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Bhuvi, Shami and Ishant all are better than him For gods sake read mister hoggs article with concentration and interest keeping some ego aside stats are not every thing and yes 😁😁😁😁 ROFL calling ishant Faulkner says hii 😁😁 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Err no. Umesh's test career ends when there are 3 fast bowlers better than him. If its 3 military medium better than him, then so it is. If its 3 faster bowlers better than him, so he is. It won't happen in actual life. Also, Umesh has started to bowl accurately in the last few months. A quick bowler bowling in good areas with movement is bound to do well sooner rather than later. Rightarmfast and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Not sure about Ishant but Bhuvi and Shami are surely better. I honestly would play Umesh than Ishant if the game is tomorrow. Ishant has given me lot of hard time as Indian cricket fan. Ishant isn't more skilled, but he has performed better than him. He has already been MoS twice in his career and won test matches on his own. West Indies, England, Sri Lanka. Ishant may have give hard time, but when you look at others you see lot of bowlers doing worse and not better than him. He performs once in a year, but others don't even manage that. It's like rather than rotating 10 below average pacers, we have persisted with one average pacer in form of Ishant. Moreover, Ishant has been doing ok for last 2-3 years. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 57 minutes ago, express bowling said: It won't happen in actual life. Also, Umesh has started to bowl accurately in the last few months. A quick bowler bowling in good areas with movement is bound to do well sooner rather than later. It won't happen in actual life is an irrelevant argument. Thats like saying whenever someone whines against what the team is, 'too bad, you didnt get your way'. So by that record, you should never ever criticize any selection, because 'too bad, it won't happen in actual life'. And yes, i agree it won't happen in real life. Because most Indians don't get fast bowling and its difficult anyways to move away from a bowler who has raw speed and in rare spurts, looks like second coming of Brett Schultz. Too bad 99% of the time he looks like 2nd coming of a club bowler. He is the Mohammed Sami of India. Fast, looks good once in a blue moon, but a big fat zero, even at his peak. Link to comment
G_B_ Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 maybe i need to move this to the joke section. Sidhoni 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: It won't happen in actual life is an irrelevant argument. Thats like saying whenever someone whines against what the team is, 'too bad, you didnt get your way'. So by that record, you should never ever criticize any selection, because 'too bad, it won't happen in actual life'. And yes, i agree it won't happen in real life. Because most Indians don't get fast bowling and its difficult anyways to move away from a bowler who has raw speed and in rare spurts, looks like second coming of Brett Schultz. Too bad 99% of the time he looks like 2nd coming of a club bowler. He is the Mohammed Sami of India. Fast, looks good once in a blue moon, but a big fat zero, even at his peak. I get the feeling that you have not had the time to watch much cricket in the last year or maybe more. Umesh does not go for magic deliveries anymore and has become a " boring bowler" in the last 8 months. He is targeting the top of off stump at 135 k to 148 k with swing both ways. Improved his bouncer quite a bit too. Such bowling is bound to bring results sooner rather than later. Edited February 20, 2017 by express bowling speedheat, vishalvirsingh, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Excellent article by Mr. Hogg a must read one Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Umesh finally getting some credit which he deserves for his hard work if we add also fitness into the consideration then he is our best fast bowler surpassing shami Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I get the feeling that you have not had the time to watch much cricket in the last year or maybe more. Umesh does not go for magic deliveries anymore and has become a " boring bowler" in the last 8 months. He is targeting the top of off stump at 135 k to 148 k with swing both ways. Such bowling is bound to bring results sooner rather than later. Yes he is infact he's doing this from south Africa series and his confidence to sky rocketed since virat became captain his spell vs banglus is the example express bowling, Mosher and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: Ishant isn't more skilled, but he has performed better than him. He has already been MoS twice in his career and won test matches on his own. West Indies, England, Sri Lanka. Ishant may have give hard time, but when you look at others you see lot of bowlers doing worse and not better than him. He performs once in a year, but others don't even manage that. It's like rather than rotating 10 below average pacers, we have persisted with one average pacer in form of Ishant. Moreover, Ishant has been doing ok for last 2-3 years. How many tests have Yadav played in England, NZ, SA. Barely two tests in WI. He has barely played 24 tests. rahulrulezz, Rightarmfast, Laaloo and 2 others 5 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 51 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: It won't happen in actual life is an irrelevant argument. Thats like saying whenever someone whines against what the team is, 'too bad, you didnt get your way'. So by that record, you should never ever criticize any selection, because 'too bad, it won't happen in actual life'. And yes, i agree it won't happen in real life. Because most Indians don't get fast bowling and its difficult anyways to move away from a bowler who has raw speed and in rare spurts, looks like second coming of Brett Schultz. Too bad 99% of the time he looks like 2nd coming of a club bowler. He is the Mohammed Sami of India. Fast, looks good once in a blue moon, but a big fat zero, even at his peak. I think it's you who don't understand fast bowling. Otherwise, most team wouldn't have been playing genuine fast bowlers and bringing them in raw. speedheat, Laaloo, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I think it's you who don't understand fast bowling. Otherwise, most team wouldn't have been playing genuine fast bowlers and bringing them in raw. Exactly Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
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