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An Indian engineer was killed and two others injured when an American man opened fire on them after allegedly yelling "get out of my country", with the local police calling it as a "possible hate crime".

Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32, working at the Garmin headquarters in Olathe, was killed in the shooting on Wednesday night, while another Indian and his colleague Alok Madasani was critically injured and is battling for life at a local hospital.

One other identified as Ian Grillot was also injured in the shooting.

The accused, Adam Purinton, 51, was arrested on Thursday morning, five hours after the incident.

"It was a tragic and senseless act of violence," Olathe Police Chief Steven Menke told media persons.

According to local media reports, he yelled "get out of my country" at the Indians.

Purinton, a navy veteran, later reportedly told a bartender in Clinton, Missouri, where he was hiding that he killed two Middle Eastern persons, the Kansas City Star said.

The Indian Embassy has swung into action and two senior officials of the Indian Consulate in Houston have been sent to Kansas to assist the victims' families.

"Consul Ravindra Joshi and Vice Consul Harpal Singh rushed to Kansas to assist shooting victim. They are on their way and will reach by evening," the consulate said in a tweet.

The accused has been charged with premeditated first-degree murder and his bond has been set at $2 million.

 

According to Garmin, Kuchibhotla and Madasani worked in the company's aviation systems.

"We're saddened that two Garmin associates were involved in last night's (Wednesday night) incident, and we express our condolences to the family and friends of our co-workers involved. Garmin will have grievance counsellors on-site and available for its associates today and tomorrow," Garmin said in a statement.

The alleged hate crime has sent shocked waves among Indian-American and the Indian community across the United States.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Srinivas Kuchibhotla," said Jay Kansara, director of Government Relations at Hindu American Foundation.

"We are also praying for a speedy recovery for the injured. We call upon the US Department of Justice and local law enforcement to investigate this murder as what it is, a hate crime.

"Anything less will be an injustice to the victims and their families," he said.

Kansara said that the HAF thanks those who put themselves at risk to stop this attack or to bring the perpetrator to justice.

"It is these acts of heroism in our communities that make America great," he said.

A GoFundMe page has also been set up to help raise funds for sending Kuchibhotla's remains to India.

The shooting incident comes at a time when hate crimes and acts of bigotry have risen notably during the recent months in America.

A Jewish cemetery was vandalised in St Louis, Missouri last week and the offices of Jewish civil society organisations have received bomb threats.

A man was removed from a Chicago-Houston flight after levelling racist taunts at Pakistani and Indian passengers.

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39 minutes ago, Vilander said:

mistaken for middle easterner. Indians should probably wear safron turbans where ever they go, what a sad situation. RIP 

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

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Scary stuff....if we can find any I mean any little hope from this news is that American guy who tried to put himself in the way of harm amidst this madness.....humanity is still a little bit alive I guess

 

RIP to the family of the Indian engineer and hope the other 2 recover soon with no other issues.

 

This is scary...ICFr's in more volatile parts of USA...stay safe

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

yeah i know but i ment the hindu turbans, but you are right haters will hate anyone. 

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2 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

In India there is so much cut throat competetion that you have to blessed with very good IQ plus hard working attitude to succeed  while in US an Good or average plus in study of India can make very good money .My brother who is software engineer told me how there are some guys and gals who were quite average in India but with their parental money they went to USA did MS and then had offers from Yahoo and other big companies which in India you can only dream of

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7 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

Because there is also a section of people in our country, who will hate you no matter what you do- either coz you are not a muslim/christian or because of caste.

The main reason why most of us chose to leave, is for work & education. The main reason why many of us chose to settle overseas and not come back, is because in places like Canada, western-Europe, USA (USA is the bottom of this pile btw), there is rule of law. You can do whatever you want within the realms of the law. Nobody can come here and assault me for wearing the wrong thing or disrespecting their culture, etc and get away with it. Even if it is a racist mob, they'd get shafted by the law if i wanted to pursue a case. In India, nobody cares about rule of law. Nobody sees assaulting people as a criminal offence and even if you get beat up in front of a policeman, the police will look frustrated and dismissive if you wanted to register a case. 
And there is no freedom, if you don't have the right to express yourself in new, unique ways without getting assaulted. 
Atleast that is why i decided not to come back to India.


That and i wanted better education for my kids than what i had in India. Indian schools are brutal for children and while they learn a lot of things and become better at math & sciences at an earlier age, they lack social skills and schools in INida are nothing more than a grinder, which will grind you to dust. Not the life i wanted for my kids, who i wanted to grow up enjoying education, music, sports, etc. And thankfully, they are !

 

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I have heard of people emigrating because of family (gujaratis, punjabis) or better economic prospects, but never came across somebody who flies out from India mainly because they are persecuted here.  Even if some are, that is a very small number compared to other reasons like education or jobs

 You sir are trolling .

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10 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

By the end of Trump's term (particularly if we have a recession - its due ), You will see mass ghar wapsi - atleast the ones who are not citizens. 

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9 hours ago, Singh bling said:

In India there is so much cut throat competetion that you have to blessed with very good IQ plus hard working attitude to succeed  while in US an Good or average plus in study of India can make very good money .My brother who is software engineer told me how there are some guys and gals who were quite average in India but with their parental money they went to USA did MS and then had offers from Yahoo and other big companies which in India you can only dream of

 

This i agree. Indians in India are always under constant pressure to stay above the level. So they are more motivated to do well.  In US due to lack of competition not so skilled guys flourish. I know a B.Sc Botany guy is a senior java programmer lead in a big company.  Having said that , once they join they work hard and come up well. 

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This is a Trump enabled white supremacist. Make no mistake. Not just Indians. Jews have joined the list as well. When your country's leader openly talks about profiling people this is what happens. He is talking to a bunch of uneducated filthy gun owning scumbags. They don't have critical thinking. For them anyone with shade of brown is an alien they can target.  There are tons of Americans embrace Indians. But these morons were always there. But they were in the closet. Now they are coming out of the woodwork. SO many blacks are still harassed too.

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Because there is also a section of people in our country, who will hate you no matter what you do- either coz you are not a muslim/christian or because of caste.

The main reason why most of us chose to leave, is for work & education. The main reason why many of us chose to settle overseas and not come back, is because in places like Canada, western-Europe, USA (USA is the bottom of this pile btw), there is rule of law. You can do whatever you want within the realms of the law. Nobody can come here and assault me for wearing the wrong thing or disrespecting their culture, etc and get away with it. Even if it is a racist mob, they'd get shafted by the law if i wanted to pursue a case. In India, nobody cares about rule of law. Nobody sees assaulting people as a criminal offence and even if you get beat up in front of a policeman, the police will look frustrated and dismissive if you wanted to register a case. 
And there is no freedom, if you don't have the right to express yourself in new, unique ways without getting assaulted. 
Atleast that is why i decided not to come back to India.


That and i wanted better education for my kids than what i had in India. Indian schools are brutal for children and while they learn a lot of things and become better at math & sciences at an earlier age, they lack social skills and schools in INida are nothing more than a grinder, which will grind you to dust. Not the life i wanted for my kids, who i wanted to grow up enjoying education, music, sports, etc. And thankfully, they are !

 

I'm sorry but that's a load of crap. You will find problems in any country, no country is an utopia. That may be the situation 20-30 years ago. In India, you will find millions of people with a very comfortable standard of living which is almost as good as in West, perhaps not make as much money but still its not that bad as you're making it out to be. 

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12 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I dont think even turbans will help as Sikhs are routine targets for hate crimes because they are mistaken for Muslims. 

 

On a side note, I dont know why many people still choose to emigrate to US or UK. If you work hard enough in India, there are still lots of opportunities and you can make a good living here. No matter how open minded and welcoming these countries are, there will always be a section of people who will hate you for coming to their country and taking away their jobs.

I have lived in India (about 2/3rd of my life) and US (about 1/3rd of my life) and the quality of life overall is night and day. Also, incidents such as these are pretty rare. You are more likely to be a victim of road rage in India than an incident such as this.

 

Also, what you see in the news here is not what you get necessarily here. It seems like this guy was a Navy vet and deranged. I used to work at a company where my best buddy there was also a Navy vet, who spent 20 years in the navy. I and that guy got along so well. We worked on so many projects together, went out for lunches together and generally shared a lot of details about our personal lives. Great guy and he had no problems being the best of friends with a brown guy like me.

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2 hours ago, Texan said:

I have lived in India (about 2/3rd of my life) and US (about 1/3rd of my life) and the quality of life overall is night and day. Also, incidents such as these are pretty rare. You are more likely to be a victim of road rage in India than an incident such as this.

 

Also, what you see in the news here is not what you get necessarily here. It seems like this guy was a Navy vet and deranged. I used to work at a company where my best buddy there was also a Navy vet, who spent 20 years in the navy. I and that guy got along so well. We worked on so many projects together, went out for lunches together and generally shared a lot of details about our personal lives. Great guy and he had no problems being the best of friends with a brown guy like me.

Good for you but it doesnt have anything to do with what I said. I was just wondering why some people have to leave their friends and family and their own place behind just so they can make a bit more money abroad. Its not the same situation as 20 years ago in India. Some of my friends who are working in IT typically earn 1.5 - 2 lakhs per month and that money goes a long way in India. They are not particularly great programmers either. There are millions of people like that in India who are employed in IT and other business sectors. Hell, even call center employees earn 50k and more nowadays and that requires almost no skills.

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The folks who have the right to ask others to "leave" their country are the Indians, the red ones 

 

Many of the people who call America their country now are decendents of sea pirates who began to cheat and rob the natives 

 

Many believe that 1492 as the year the continent was discovered by human beings when tons of human beings were already living on the continent

 

The sea pirates eventually created a government which became a becon of freedom to human beings. Many of the sea pirates who created the new government, a becon of freedom, owned slaves 

 

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16 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I'm sorry but that's a load of crap. You will find problems in any country, no country is an utopia. That may be the situation 20-30 years ago. In India, you will find millions of people with a very comfortable standard of living which is almost as good as in West, perhaps not make as much money but still its not that bad as you're making it out to be. 

I dont disagree on the comfort factor. But i completely disagree on the law and order factor. I still go back to India every few years and its law and order situation that I think is the decisive issue for me. That my rights in India are not protected, i am actually at the mercy of the Gundaas, especially if they are political Gundaas. That is something i definitely fear in India and definitely don't fear in the west.

The schooling factor is a close second for the kids- like i said, i want my kids to have a complete education, not just become insanely good at math/science and be lacking in music, sports and social/community skills.

The other thing is, I am Canadian - which means, i don't pay extra to get quality medical service, it is covered in my taxes. I understand how people living in the states don't see this perk compared to India, but i am hugely thankful to live in a nation where how much money you have/are willing to spend is never an issue about major, life-threatening procedures for anyone.

 

Last but not the least, the pollution & smog of India, compared to the crisp & clean air in most of Canada (only Toronto has smog issues here) and the overall uncleanliness of our cities- with open garbage dumps everywhere, open sewers, etc. is a big drop in quality of life than here.

 

The quality of life here is much greater than what i find in India. Yes, you can have lots of money in India today and amenities. But here, the culture is so much greater in variety and quantity. I can go out every night in this part of the world and have choices between dozens of plays, stand-up comedy, opera, live music to chose from each and every day. In India, the options are 1/10th as much. So i chose to live overseas, because i find the overall quality of life here is much greater, the society is a lot more functional, things get done at speed of light compared to India and my children have a much healthier environment & much more rounded education growing up. 

 

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16 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Because there is also a section of people in our country, who will hate you no matter what you do- either coz you are not a muslim/christian or because of caste.

The main reason why most of us chose to leave, is for work & education. The main reason why many of us chose to settle overseas and not come back, is because in places like Canada, western-Europe, USA (USA is the bottom of this pile btw), there is rule of law. You can do whatever you want within the realms of the law. Nobody can come here and assault me for wearing the wrong thing or disrespecting their culture, etc and get away with it. Even if it is a racist mob, they'd get shafted by the law if i wanted to pursue a case. In India, nobody cares about rule of law. Nobody sees assaulting people as a criminal offence and even if you get beat up in front of a policeman, the police will look frustrated and dismissive if you wanted to register a case. 
And there is no freedom, if you don't have the right to express yourself in new, unique ways without getting assaulted. 
Atleast that is why i decided not to come back to India.


That and i wanted better education for my kids than what i had in India. Indian schools are brutal for children and while they learn a lot of things and become better at math & sciences at an earlier age, they lack social skills and schools in INida are nothing more than a grinder, which will grind you to dust. Not the life i wanted for my kids, who i wanted to grow up enjoying education, music, sports, etc. And thankfully, they are !

 

Curling is not a sport!!!!!!

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4 hours ago, zen said:

The folks who have the right to ask others to "leave" their country are the Indians, the red ones 

 

Many of the people who call America their country now are decendents of sea pirates who began to cheat and rob the natives 

 

Many believe that 1492 as the year the continent was discovered by human beings when tons of human beings were already living on the continent

 

The sea pirates eventually created a government which became a becon of freedom to human beings. Many of the sea pirates who created the new government, a becon of freedom, owned slaves 

 

:p:

Actually everyone born in every country that they are citizens of, have that right. Otherwise, nobody but Ethiopians have the right to tell others to get off their land, because everyone else (except Ethiopians) are immigrants.

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Actually everyone born in every country that they are citizens of, have that right. Otherwise, nobody but Ethiopians have the right to tell others to get off their land, because everyone else (except Ethiopians) are immigrants.

 

And the point of your comment is?

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2 hours ago, zen said:

And the point of your comment is?

That it isn't something only those who claim to be 'original race' of the land have right to. If you are born somewhere you are a citizen of, ethically you have just the same rights as someone else who was born there. It matters not if their last 10 generation was born there or 2.

So that is my point- that your comment " The folks who have the right to ask others to "leave" their country are the Indians, the red ones " is not defendable on any level.

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

That it isn't something only those who claim to be 'original race' of the land have right to. If you are born somewhere you are a citizen of, ethically you have just the same rights as someone else who was born there. It matters not if their last 10 generation was born there or 2.

So that is my point- that your comment " The folks who have the right to ask others to "leave" their country are the Indians, the red ones " is not defendable on any level.

 

The point of my post is to condemn attacks on those who have legally immigrated to US by highlighting the fact that America is a land of immigrants as if ppl are attacked for immigrating to it then everyone except the natives have to be attacked

 

How does your comment releate to the gist of my post? (Your post appears to be another foolish interpretation like equating not banning organizations such as RSS to not recommending any action against parties) 

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

The point of my post is to condemn attacks on those who have legally immigrated to US by highlighting the fact that America is a land of immigrants as if ppl are attacked for immigrating to it then everyone except the natives have to be attacked

 

How does your comment releate to the gist of my post? (Your post appears to be another foolish interpretation like equating not banning organizations such as RSS to not recommending any action against parties) 

Because i am disputing the thing you are highlighting. A native person has no more/less right to be in America, than a white or black or Asian or Indian person, if they are all born in the US and US citizens.

 

My point is to dispute the idea that you may have greater claims to a land due to your ancestry. That is foolish and illogical. Your rights are no greater/lesser just because what some distant ancestor did/didn't, if you and someone else are both born citizens to a particular nation.

 

PS: The natives too, immigrated at some point. Thousands of years ago, but they also immigrated. Everyone who isn't Ethiopian are descendants of immigrants. The only difference is, for some its a generation ago, for some it is 1000s of generations ago.

 

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Just now, Muloghonto said:

Because i am disputing the thing you are highlighting. A native person has no more/less right to be in America, than a white or black or Asian or Indian person, if they are all born in the US and US citizens.

 

My point is to dispute the idea that you may have greater claims to a land due to your ancestry. That is foolish and illogical. Your rights are no greater/lesser just because what some distant ancestor did/didn't. 

 

And who said that they have less rights? If you "read" my posts, you will see that my point is about even protecting immigrants i.e. indicating that they have rights too

 

As I said, you keep churning out idiotic posts. A simple test for you before posting would be ask yoyrself if YOU can think of that, others more likely than not would already have thought of that so a post has a deeper meaning to it (or sarcastic). And posts are written assuming that there is no need to list all permutations and combinations 

 

Again, better luck next time!

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, zen said:

And who said that they have less rights? If you "read" my posts, you will see that my point is about even protecting immigrants i.e. indicating that they have rights too

The statement : " .. highlighting the fact that America is a land of immigrants as if ppl are attacked for immigrating to it then everyone except the natives have to be attacked",  directly   implies that Native Americans have more rights to the land than white/black/asian/indian people. Again, basic English.

 

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25 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The statement : " .. highlighting the fact that America is a land of immigrants as if ppl are attacked for immigrating to it then everyone except the natives have to be attacked",  directly   implies that Native Americans have more rights to the land than white/black/asian/indian people. Again, basic English.

 

To imply that if that is not the case "now", new immigrants should not be attacked :facepalm:

 

To dumb it down more for you to understand: x -> original, y -> new, z-> new new .... y to z "go out because you new new", but then y "new" too relative to x 

 

Your point  (relative to x, y and z example so pls dont wonder whether you used x,y,z literally in your posts)-> y not new and has rights equivalent to x (or whatever) is irrelevant as my point is about giving rights and respect to z too, which implies thst both x and y should have rights and be respected too

 

Can't dumb it down further .... Better luck next time! 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, zen said:

To imply that if that is not the case "now", new immigrants should not be attacked :facepalm:

 

To dumb it down more for you to understand: x -> original, y -> new, z-> new new .... y to z "go out because you new new", but then y "new" too relative to x 

 

Your point  (relative to x, y and z example so pls dont wonder wheater you used x,y,z literally in your posts)-> y not new and has rights equivalent to x (or whatever) is irrelevant as my point is about giving rights and respect to z too, which implies thst both x and y should have rights and be respected too

 

Cant dumb it down more .... Better luck next time! 

 

 

Highlighted part is what the problem is and you can try and cover your logical error as much as you like, but it is the error. There is no 'original' outside of Ethiopians. We are ALL immigrants/descendants of immigrants, except where species homo sapiens originated, i.e., Ethiopia.

 

To dumb it down for you- nobody except Ethiopians can use the argument ' you are not original to here, GTFO'. Whether you are Indian from India, Indian citizen of USA, white guy, whatever- you are *ALL* immigrants/descendants of immigrants. 

 

Learn to accept & address the errors you make, instead of trying to squirm and talk about your original point. We get your original point- which is, don't discriminate. But you are buttressing your original point by making illogical & incorrect statements, which have been pointed out to you.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Highlighted part is what the problem is and you can try and cover your logical error as much as you like, but it is the error. There is no 'original' outside of Ethiopians. We are ALL immigrants/descendants of immigrants, except where species homo sapiens originated, i.e., Ethiopia.

 

To dumb it down for you- nobody except Ethiopians can use the argument ' you are not original to here, GTFO'. Whether you are Indian from India, Indian citizen of USA, white guy, whatever- you are *ALL* immigrants/descendants of immigrants. 

 

Which is why such attacks on immigrants should be condemned 

 

So what are you disputing? Using natives as an example to make my point?  (When using ethopians, natives, or crocodilies for that matter doesn't matter as even before humans settled on the land being discussed, there must have been animals living on that land) 

 

As I said, the more you post, more you get exposed  :facepalm:

 

PS Better luck next time!

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Which is why such attacks on immigrants should be condemned 

 

So what are you disputing? Using natives as an example to make my point?  (When using ethopians, natives, or crocodilies for that matter doesn't matter as even before humans settled on the land being discussed, there must have been animals living on that land) 

 

As I said, the more you post, more you get exposed :facepalm:

 

Duh!
As usual, Zen takes 3-40 posts to figure out something basic. I am disputing using natives as an example to make your point, because the example is flawed. Now we shall wait another 3-40 posts from you before you accept this basic fact.

 

And the only thing my posts are exposed of, is exposing the fact that you use BS argument, illogic and non-factual things to buttress your points, as i demonstrated here.

 

Obviously, attacks on immigrants are to be condemned. That doesn't change the fact that you giving Native Americans 'original' tag, is still factually incorrect. Native Americans didnt evolve in America. They evolved in Africa, along with everyone else's ancestors and one day, thousands of years ago, immigrated to the USA. Their claim to being original, is just a flawed as anyone else in USA claiming to be original.

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Duh!
As usual, Zen takes 3-40 posts to figure out something basic. I am disputing using natives as an example to make your point, because the example is flawed. Now we shall wait another 3-40 posts from you before you accept this basic fact.

 

And the only thing my posts are exposed of, is exposing the fact that you use BS argument, illogic and non-factual things to buttress your points, as i demonstrated here.

 

Obviously, attacks on immigrants are to be condemned. That doesn't change the fact that you giving Native Americans 'original' tag, is still factually incorrect. Native Americans didnt evolve in America. They evolved in Africa, along with everyone else's ancestors and one day, thousands of years ago, immigrated to the USA. Their claim to being original, is just a flawed as anyone else in USA claiming to be original.

 

:rotfl:

 

To believe that since Homo Sapiens are said to have originated in Africa, Native Americans should not be used as an example for an event in America is idiotic (as they are considered to be original settlers / immigrants than others being discussed on this thread) .... I think it should be "understood" why Native American example is used for an incidence in America

 

And, who said I have use facts based on your limited understanding in my examples? 

 

So for the sake of comedy let's revert back to the original point (now put in a more easy to understand manner for you) -  why would you want to dispute and waste time on the factuality per your limited understanding of an example and when it is understood that natives are "originals" (settled / immigrated first / earlier) in the first place? 

 

If you do not dispute with the "fact" that "native" settled / immigrated earlier than the others being discussed on this thread, there was no point in trying to dispute the example that I used in the first place!

 

PS So again, do you have anything meaningful to post?  Or are we going to see another comical post by you that would only continue to expose you?

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1 hour ago, zen said:

:rotfl:

 

To believe that since Homo Sapiens are said to have originated in Africa, Native Americans should not be used as an example for an event in America is idiotic (as they are considered to be original settlers / immigrants) .... I think it should be "understood" why Native American example is used for an incidence in America

No, what is idiotic, is saying Native Americans have more rights because they are the original immigrants. Immigrants are immigrants, there is no special rights for being first or second or third.

 

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So for the sake of comedy let's revert back to the original point (now put in a more easy to understand manner for you) -  why would you want to dispute and waste time on the factuality per your limited understanding of an example and when it is understood that natives are "originals" (settled / immigrated first / earlier) in the first place?

 

Because you are using a BS line of reasoning to buttress a point. Not my limited understanding, I am calling you out for what you said, which is BS. You called natives original. They are not.

They are also immigrants.

 

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PS So again, do you have anything meaningful to post?  Or are we going to see another comical post by you that would only continue to expose you?

I am happy to expose your BS everywhere, whenever possible. Too bad that the meaning of my posts come to you after 2-40 innane posts from you. Just as i predicted.

 

The simple fact is, you fecked up when you accorded 'greater rights' to the native Americans. When called out, you are squirming. So try being an adult about it, admit you made a mistake, instead of hiding behind 'my limited understanding', when in reality, the implications of what you said are obvious. But as we saw with the God thread or political parties, you take 30-40 posts to come to the logical conclusion, so it is to be expected from you. 

 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

No, what is idiotic, is saying Native Americans have more rights because they are the original immigrants. Immigrants are immigrants, there is no special rights for being first or second or third.

 

Because you are using a BS line of reasoning to buttress a point. Not my limited understanding, I am calling you out for what you said, which is BS. You called natives original. They are not.

They are also immigrants.

 

I am happy to expose your BS everywhere, whenever possible. Too bad that the meaning of my posts come to you after 2-40 innane posts from you. Just as i predicted.

 

^ If that is what you think, you are way more dumber than I imagined 

 

OK, so you don't get it 

 

What is next? if I say - if you think you are smart, pigs can fly too, you would dispute that pigs don't have wings so they can't fly. And you would have exposed me for using BS examples as it is a fact that pigs can't fly :rotfl:

 

Then if I say - so are you really disputing pigs can't fly (and missing the point being made), you would imagine it took me 2 to 40 posts to realize that pigs can't fly (something so obvious to you and a mystery to others like me) .... And since pigs can't fly, it would also show to you that you are actually smart (with the real point being made totally missed by you) :facepalm:

 

You, my friend, surpass all expectations! Please continue to make efforts to get back to me (also exposes your dumb agenda and shows the childish level of grudge accumulated in you for having crashed your beliefs about your level of intellect)

 

Better luck next time (though even luck might not help you) .... and thanks for the comic relief 

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2 hours ago, zen said:

^ If that is what you think, you are way more dumber than I imagined 

 

OK, so you don't get it 

 

Yeah calling you out on a false premise, even when you are making a valid point 'is dumb'. sure, so said every careless person caught in a faux pas.

 

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You, my friend, surpass all expectations! Please continue to make efforts to get back to me (also exposes your dumb agenda and shows the childish level of grudge accumulated in you for having crashed your beliefs about your level of intellect)

There is nothing to get back. I simply exposed the fact that you are buttressing your point with a false premise and i demonstrated it so. And instead of accepting it and moving on, you are trying to hide behind euphemisms and idioms. Despite the fact that your statement was not an idiomatic one. 

This is called refusing to take responsibility.

But as you've demonstrated, you have a few dozen innane posts to make, before you accept the simple fact that Native Americans have no greater claim to originality to North America than any other group who've arrived before or after them.

 

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Yeah calling you out on a false premise, even when you are making a valid point 'is dumb'. sure, so said every careless person caught in a faux pas.

 

There is nothing to get back. I simply exposed the fact that you are buttressing your point with a false premise and i demonstrated it so. And instead of accepting it and moving on, you are trying to hide behind euphemisms and idioms. Despite the fact that your statement was not an idiomatic one. 

This is called refusing to take responsibility.

But as you've demonstrated, you have a few dozen innane posts to make, before you accept the simple fact that Native Americans have no greater claim to originality to North America than any other group who've arrived before or after them.

 

:rotfl:

 

Comedy king! Your post reminds me of an episode that I watched of Flop Shop where Jaspal Bhatti made a tragic TV show but received the best comedy show award 

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On 2/25/2017 at 3:01 AM, kubrickian said:

Good for you but it doesnt have anything to do with what I said. I was just wondering why some people have to leave their friends and family and their own place behind just so they can make a bit more money abroad. Its not the same situation as 20 years ago in India. Some of my friends who are working in IT typically earn 1.5 - 2 lakhs per month and that money goes a long way in India. They are not particularly great programmers either. There are millions of people like that in India who are employed in IT and other business sectors. Hell, even call center employees earn 50k and more nowadays and that requires almost no skills.

Money is not the only factor in play here. There are many other factors that contribute to a good quality of life - such as less pollution, less disease, quality education for kids emphasizing on all-round development rather than rote learning, more bang for buck (I can afford a mansion in Texas v/s a small accommodation in a remote suburb if I were living in Mumbai), no struggle in getting basic life amenities such as regular water supply, electricity and fast internet, less time spent in commute, lack of bureaucracy, lack of corruption, etc. All of these factors add up to a better quality of life in developed countries.

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hate crimes are everywhere. People think of this country a land of opportunity but what they don't try to imagine how insecure to live in this country. I think everything has a downside.

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The Indian government truly messed up by not having population control back in the 1950s/60s/70s.

 

Things like law and order, pollution etc would be so much easier to control and there would be less competition for jobs. Then maybe this obsession for going abroad wouldn't be there.

 

As for the rights to immigrate to USA, no Indian would want to move to America if it was still inhabited by just Red Indians. The Anglo whites made the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand the first world countries they are today. Yes in the process the committed atrocities against the natives but they are now highly developed countries that Indians want to move to.

 

The Indian culture and mentality needs to change a lot before India becomes a developed country.

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24 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

The Indian government truly messed up by not having population control back in the 1950s/60s/70s.

 

Things like law and order, pollution etc would be so much easier to control and there would be less competition for jobs. Then maybe this obsession for going abroad wouldn't be there.

 

As for the rights to immigrate to USA, no Indian would want to move to America if it was still inhabited by just Red Indians. The Anglo whites made the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand the first world countries they are today. Yes in the process the committed atrocities against the natives but they are now highly developed countries that Indians want to move to.

 

The Indian culture and mentality needs to change a lot before India becomes a developed country.

And this justifies the shooting of an innocent civilian in a race related violence how?

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

And this justifies the shooting of an innocent civilian in a race related violence how?

His immense wisdom says, if India was as developed as the whites did it in USA, then nobody from India would move to USA and hence, nobody would have a reason to kill an Indian in USA as they are all happy in India.

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