When You Are Arrogant, You Pay The Price

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Just now, express bowling said:

I agree. My personal take on the 5 bowler strategy is that we need to be flexible about it. 

 

Play 5  bowlers on flat pitches and 6 batsmen on difficult pitches.

 

That being said, Jayant Yadav has been really good with the bat and as good as a proper 6th batsman in the few chances he has got.

 

 

 

Jayant Yadav is a bits and pieces cricketer.

 

You only play 5 bowlers if the pitch is really flat,to rest your bowlers.Else if Jadeja and Ashwin dont take wickets Yadav surely wont.6 batsman is the normal.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

We lost a series againist AUS in 2005.Then lost a series in 2012.7 years diference.

 

Did you watch the 2005 series?Any idea what happened?

yes, I did and we played 6 batsmen in both the series.

[Gambit]

Incorrect. India played 5 bowlers at home in 2000s on more than one occasion (eg v England Mumbai, 2006).

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Just now, Gambit said:

Incorrect. India played 5 bowlers at home in 2000s on more than one occasion (eg v England Mumbai, 2006).

The result of your example? Loss by 212 runs.

[BCCI]

Even if you are arrogant,you dont get bowled out for less than 220 in both innings combined.There is much more to this abject surrender than just overconfidence.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

yes, I did and we played 6 batsmen in both the series.

 

We lost a series in 2005 then one in 2012.7 years,else we kept wining for 7 years.not 7 tests or 7 months,7 years we were winning.

 

we would have drawn the 2005 series if not for Rain.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Just now, BCCI said:

Even if you are arrogant,you dont get bowled out for less than 220 in both innings combined.There is much more to this abject surrender than just overconfidence.

 

If one the 6th batsman wold have scored 50 or 60 and manged a 100run partnership with the lower order the pressure on the team would have been lot less.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Jayant Yadav is a bits and pieces cricketer.

 

You only play 5 bowlers if the pitch is really flat,to rest your bowlers.Else if Jadeja and Ashwin dont take wickets Yadav surely wont.6 batsman is the normal.

Jayant is a very average bowler but has the game to be a top order batter.

 

I too am in favour of playing 5 bowlers on flat pitches and 4 bowlers on helpful tracks. Need flexibility on this issue.

 

That being said, this loss is not due to team composition...... we were out-bowled , out-batted and out-fielded.

 

The reason for this loss is something different.

Edited February 25, 2017 by express bowling

[Gambit]

1 minute ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

The result of your example? Loss by 212 runs.

The point of the post was to point out that your assertion of this never happening when Fab 5 were around is wrong.

[CG]

 

We lost a series in 2005 then one in 2012.7 years,else we kept wining for 7 years.not 7 tests or 7 months,7 years we were winning.

 

we would have drawn the 2005 series if not for Rain.

We did not win much we drew test series.Even Zim drew a series here along with eng.I would take win over drawn series anyday.

[CG]

People have short memories we drew against SA twice , England 1 and lost once .Lost against Aus,Zim drew.Pak drew.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 minute ago, Gambit said:

The point of the post was to point out that your assertion of this never happening when Fab 5 were around is wrong.

By never happening is that it was an exception to play 5 bowlers.If we needed 3 spinners we drop a pacer.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 minute ago, CG said:

People have short memories we drew against SA twice , England 1 and lost once .Lost against Aus,Zim drew.Pak drew.

We lost no test series between Post AUS 2005 to Pre Eng 2012.

[CG]

We lost no test series between Post AUS 2005 to Pre Eng 2012.

So what we drew many drawing at home is as good as loss.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

4 minutes ago, CG said:

We did not win much we drew test series.Even Zim drew a series here along with eng.I would take win over drawn series anyday.

Please tell me which series ZIM drew in India?I would take a draw over a loss anyday.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 minute ago, CG said:

So what we drew many drawing at home is as good as loss.

 

Drawing at home is as good as loss.OK.

 

So what is losing at home?

[CG]

 

Drawing at home is as good as loss.OK.

 

So what is losing at home?

My point is we are winning more now as we are attacking and dominating teams unlike past where we drew many.Thats why we are no 1

 

 

[kubrickian]

The point is we are not playing with only 5 batsmen. Jayant's average in tests before this match is 55 and he was as good as a batsman in the England series. So your point about us playing only 5 batsmen is false to being with. Hell, even Ashwin and Jaddu were doing well with the bat. So its not as if the onus was only on the batsmen, we had other run scoring options so we had the luxury of playing 5 bowlers. Where's the question of arrogance in it ? Obviously, now that it has not worked we may see some changes. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 minute ago, CG said:

My point is we are winning more now as we are attacking and dominating teams unlike past where we drew many.Thats why we are no 1

 

 

 

We played 6 batsman plus wk againist NZ.The only series where we played 5 batsman throughout at home was the last ENG series.What are you on about?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Just now, kubrickian said:

The point is we are not playing with only 5 batsmen. Jayant's average in tests before this match is 55 and he was as good as a batsman in the England series. So your point about us playing only 5 batsmen is false to being with. Hell, even Ashwin and Jaddu were doing well with the bat. So its not as if the onus was only on the batsmen, we had other run scoring options so we had the luxury of playing 5 bowlers. Where's the question of arrogance in it ? Obviously, now that it has not worked we may see some changes. 

 

Jayant Yadav has FC batting avg of 30.He is a bits and pieces spinner.His 55avg was propped up by his one innings.