Is this worst Indian batting line up against spin in last 40 years?

[Trichromatic]

Instances when Indian team lost 20 wickets in less than 800 balls at home

 

Match totals

Team	Runs	Wkts	Balls	Ave	RPO	Result		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
India	212	20	444	10.60	2.86	lost		v Australia	Pune	23 Feb 2017
India	309	20	659	15.45	2.81	won		v Australia	Mumbai	3 Nov 2004
India	278	20	671	13.90	2.48	lost		v West Indies	Kolkata	31 Dec 1958
India	454	20	682	22.70	3.99	draw		v West Indies	Mumbai	11 Dec 1987
India	404	20	686	20.20	3.53	lost		v South Africa	Ahmedabad	3 Apr 2008
India	331	20	706	16.55	2.81	lost		v West Indies	Kolkata	10 Dec 1983
India	371	20	709	18.55	3.13	lost		v West Indies	Kanpur	21 Oct 1983
India	391	20	732	19.55	3.20	lost		v England	Mumbai	15 Feb 1980
India	388	20	749	19.40	3.10	won		v South Africa	Nagpur	25 Nov 2015
India	379	20	753	18.95	3.01	lost		v New Zealand	Mumbai	24 Nov 1988
India	344	20	768	17.20	2.68	lost		v West Indies	Ahmedabad	12 Nov 1983
India	278	20	772	13.90	2.16	lost		v England	Kanpur	12 Jan 1952
India	338	20	778	16.90	2.60	lost		v South Africa	Mumbai	24 Feb 2000
India	288	20	790	14.40	2.18	lost		v Pakistan	Lucknow	23 Oct 1952

When Indian team scored less than 350 for 20 wickets at home

 

Team	Runs	Wkts	Balls	Ave	RPO	Result		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
India	212	20	444	10.60	2.86	lost		v Australia	Pune	23 Feb 2017
India	272	20	886	13.60	1.84	lost		v Australia	Kolkata	2 Nov 1956
India	278	20	772	13.90	2.16	lost		v England	Kanpur	12 Jan 1952
India	278	20	671	13.90	2.48	lost		v West Indies	Kolkata	31 Dec 1958
India	287	20	1093	14.35	1.57	lost		v Australia	Chennai	13 Jan 1960
India	288	20	790	14.40	2.18	lost		v Pakistan	Lucknow	23 Oct 1952
India	309	20	659	15.45	2.81	won		v Australia	Mumbai	3 Nov 2004
India	314	20	980	15.70	1.92	lost		v Australia	Chennai	19 Oct 1956
India	331	20	706	16.55	2.81	lost		v West Indies	Kolkata	10 Dec 1983
India	336	20	875	16.80	2.30	lost		v England	Kolkata	1 Jan 1977
India	338	20	778	16.90	2.60	lost		v South Africa	Mumbai	24 Feb 2000
India	341	20	1024	17.05	1.99	lost		v Australia	Delhi	12 Dec 1959
India	344	20	768	17.20	2.68	lost		v West Indies	Ahmedabad	12 Nov 1983
India	345	20	981	17.25	2.11	lost		v West Indies	Kolkata	31 Dec 1966
India	349	20	947	17.45	2.21	lost		v Pakistan	Bangalore	13 Mar 1987

[BeautifulGame]

Well we had Gavaskar from mid 70s and Sachin, Sidhu and Azhar in 90s.Then obviously our fab 5 00s .

 

So clearly this is our weakest batting line in last 40 years .

[BCCI]

I can only talk about the last 15-20 years and yes this is definitely the worst.

[maniac]

Yes....No excuse in giving wickets to Moeen Ali, Adil Rashid and now O'keefe.

 

rolled over by Santner and Sodhi in the Wt20.

 

sure in the past likes of Clarke or that English spinner had that odd success but we fold to any spinner these days.

Edited February 26, 2017 by maniac

[zen]

To some degree, it is difficult to measure in terms of apples to apples over a 40 year period as the factors below could have a certain amount of influence:

 

• More exposure to Indian conditions, relatively 
• Visiting teams playing more spinners, including part timers, in their 11 
• Formats such as T20 having an impact on batting in tests 
• DRS

 

Going back to 2000s, Aus played quality spinners such as Warne, McGill, etc., so comparing Ind line up in 2000s vs the present one, this one has some work to do 

 

One has to remember that visiting teams winning a test or two against the stronger home team is not rare. When touring OZ in the mid 90s to mid 00s, when OZ was a beast, Eng managed to win a test here and there too 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2017 by zen

[beetle]

How about getting a few  spinners with potential to travel with the team and be net bowlers since we have been rolling over to spinners for some time now ?

[beetle]

Our chief coach is a spinner.

[BeautifulGame]

To some degree, it is difficult to measure in terms of apples to apples over a 40 year period as the factors below could have a certain amount of influence:

 

• More exposure to Indian conditions, relatively 
• Visiting teams playing more spinners, including part timers, in their 11 
• Formats such as T20 having an impact on batting in tests 
• DRS

 

Going back to 2000s, Aus played quality spinners such as Warne, McGill, etc., so comparing Ind line up in 2000s vs the present one, this one has some work to do 

 

One has to remember that visiting teams winning a test or two against the stronger home team is not rare. When touring OZ in the mid 90s to mid 00s, when OZ was a beast, Eng managed to win a test here and there too 

 

 

 

England mostly won when the series was already over na dit was dead rubbers .

 

Also here the extent of defeat.We didn't make 200+ two innings combined .That's just staggering.

[zen]

1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

England mostly won when the series was already over na dit was dead rubbers .

 

Also here the extent of defeat.We didn't make 200+ two innings combined .That's just staggering.

 

True, but since Ind hasn't lost in a while (from what I recall as I haven't been following cricket much lately), may be the law of averages caught up with the team 

 

Moving forward, Ind has to forgot about this test and treat the series as a 3 test one .... In fact, it will be interesting to see IF and HOW the team bounces back! 

[King Tendulkar]

One frigging game and threads like this start 

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

One frigging game and threads like this start 

You are saying our batting against spin is no concern?

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

One frigging game and threads like this start 

You are saying our batting against spin is no concern?

[King Tendulkar]

Just now, Lord said:

You are saying our batting against spin is no concern?

Not really . Against England slaughtered their spinner 

 

this track has risdublus turn. Last time we played on crazy turner was when Michal Clarke got 6-9 (something like that ) against possibly greatest batting line up this planet has seen v spin. 

 

When we get on normal spinning tracks (like for rest of series ) we will see who is weak against spin 

 

this track was not a turning track it was bonkers lol you will see this o keefe being brought to his knees from now on 

[King Tendulkar]

Everyone his over reacting after one loss . Yes I admit a bad loss . I would rather judge us over a longer period . And over last 2 years we been brilliant . 

 

One loss and icf is panic mode . Lots of Pakistani type reactions here 

[zakk]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

You are saying our batting against spin is no concern?

isn't this first time when our batting has collapsed like this within last few years?

 

if this is only and last then no worries but if we keep repeating like this then we have to worry.

 

i hope we bat better from next game itself

 

Edited February 26, 2017 by zakk

[kubrickian]

How do your statistics prove they are bad against spin in 40 years ? Do you have anything to back up your claims or you just thought 'Heck I'm bored, let me just make up whatever comes to my damn mind and create a thread. And there are others here stupid enough to agree with you.  

 

Last 20 tests they went without a loss, won 17 of them and most of them were at home on turning tracks. Yeah, I think you may be a bit wrong there.

 

[Lord]

1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Not really . Against England slaughtered their spinner 

 

this track has risdublus turn. Last time we played on crazy turner was when Michal Clarke got 6-9 (something like that ) against possibly greatest batting line up this planet has seen v spin. 

 

When we get on normal spinning tracks (like for rest of series ) we will see who is weak against spin 

 

this track was not a turning track it was bonkers lol you will see this o keefe being brought to his knees from now on 

We missed straight deliveries.Just watch the display.

 

Moeen in England,That SA spinner in home series.This didnt come off as a surprise.

 

 

[King Tendulkar]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

We missed straight deliveries.Just watch the display.

 

Moeen in England,That SA spinner in home series.This didnt come off as a surprise.

 

 

Not sure what you expect . An Indian batsman NEVER to get out to a spinner . Unreaslsitic expectations 

 

 

[Chalks]

I'm afraid if the home team don't fight back in this series, the Border-Gavaskar Trophy could go the way of the Frank Worrell Trophy and Trans-Tasman Trophy, and become a complete non-event. Australia already hold those other two trophies in perpetuity because of how weak the West Indies and New Zealand test teams are, and if India can't beat Australia at home, where are they going to beat them?

 

Come on boyz, prove me wrong!

 

(And yes, I'm well aware that Australia won eight series in a row against England between 1989 and 2002-03, and some people questioned the relevance of the Ashes during that time.)

Edited February 26, 2017 by Chalks

[gattaca]

Left arm spinner has been problem to us and opposition as well. This is history repeating it self. Shaun udal anyone ? Monty and now the new kid. So if you bring at least a half decent left spinner you can win matches in india.