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  1. 35 points
    Say what you want but its very commendable the way Inzy & co (Pak selectors) giving chances to young players regularly. Their U19 world cup squad was atrocious with only 1 good player Shaheen Shah Afridi. They realized his potential and straight away drafted him into national side. They make no bones of it. And here we are with our ignoramus selectors. In the same world cup, the likes of Shubhman Gill and Prithvi Shaw flared better than Afridi. But we choose to give more chances to Raina rather. The star of previous U19 world cup Rishabh Pant is still on the awaiting list. I am a huge Dhoni fan but what is he still doing in T20 team with no WC in sight? What happened to likes of Mavi, Nagarkotti etc? Lokesh Rahul forced his way back onto the team...else we would still have Rahane playing at no.4 for us in LOIs. Indian selectors
  2. 31 points
    Gollum

    Football equivalents of cricket teams

    In light of the recent FIFA World Cup, thought of comparing the cricket teams with football teams based upon history/ability/achievements/mindset/resources yada yada. 1. West Indies: Brazil Calypso/Samba...free spirited Greatest teams of all time once upon a time but not so successful in the last 20 odd years Greatest players....all time XIs will have max players from their countries Loved by all Immense natural talent which drives them to success without a strong domestic set up Swag/Flair 2. Australia: Germany Overall very successful Competitive in every era Very consistent in World Cups Many ATGs (2nd highest) Very organized, disciplined with high precision and scientific approach to the game Ruthless Excellent domestic structure and youth programmes which was/is able to consistently churn out high quality players 3. India: Italy Probably in terms of big success behind only Australia (Germany) and WI (Brazil) Punched above its weight and knocked out fancier teams in the past to win big trophies Mediocre for large parts but still a great history with a few top tier ATGs Both are very defensive teams (bowling=attack, batting=defence ) with max ATGs in defensive department (India=batsmen, Italy=defenders and GK) For most parts in big tourneys both are mentally tough units, very dogged India often stopped mighty WI('83)/Australia(ATG test streak) just like how Italy stopped many pre tournament favorites like Brazil, France, Germany in the past. Good domestic structure.....Ranji=slightly below par, IPL=best in the world, average it out 4. Pakistan: Argentina Chaotic, mercurial, unpredictable Have won the big trophies but not yet as successful as 1-3 Individual brilliance, X factor Lack of cohesion, full of controversies and soap operas Achieved success under strong dictatorial leaders Propensity to cheat with innovations like ball tampering, chucking, Hand of God, fixing... Unapologetic about cheating incidents in the past, they wear it like a badge of honour Domestic Structure LOL 5. England: England Invented the sport but watched other teams excel more Rich history but most greats from bygone era English media Historically the best domestic structure with great prestige, finest of the game have polished their skills in England.....finishing school for many ATGs Boring sides Nostalgia tards Ugly yet effective style of play, tenacious spirit which helped them perform beyond their capabilities 6. Sri Lanka: France Won all their trophies post 90s, since then possibly most consistent teams in big events Produced many freakish talents Very successful in a short span At their best as good as any of the other ATG units Tactically top notch Nice fakers, often resort to underhand means 7. South Africa: Netherlands Never won a WC in spite of being favorites many times, greatest nations to not win the ultimate prize in their disciplines Exceptional talent, very skilled Cryuff=Kallis...objectively greatest but not rated as GOATs by pundits 8. New Zealand: Belgium Punch above weight No standout ATG but many excellent players who gel well Never came close to winning a WC Honest triers Universally liked 9. Bangladesh: Some African country (Ghana, Cameroon, Nigeria????) Lots of funds pumped in by governing body 1-2 high quality players surrounded by a bunch of mediocre players Occasionally upset higher ranked teams Too many false dawns Very passionate fanbase Perpetual victim mentality Feel free to add your choices...I don't follow football like I used to as a kid. I may have made some wrong assumptions and got a few observations wrong. But honestly quite difficult to find equivalents which everyone will agree upon . Pretty sure many ICFers are more knowledgeable in this regard !!!!
  3. 30 points
    Laaloo

    No trundler policy

    I'd like to review this decision please. I love my trundlers!!!!!!
  4. 29 points
    Manish Pandey has played some classic test knocks, albeit in T20s. He could be the next one. Perhaps he will play some classic T20 knocks in tests ... like 8 off 5 balls.
  5. 27 points
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    jalebi_bhai

    Misbahfication Meter !!!

    This post inspired me to make this
  7. 27 points
    Maybe Bravo was suppose to Credit Dhoni once again. HE must have refused.
  8. 26 points
    asterix

    Hardik Pandya...

  9. 25 points
    Don't grill shastri in the morning, he won't be able to recall India's defeat
  10. 25 points
    Yes, probably. Sreesanth's biceps may have changed, but Bhajji's IQ is the same.
  11. 24 points
    express bowling

    No trundler policy

    Pacers who can bowl quick or are quickish and tall in India now a) In Team India 1. Bumrah - skilled ( bouncy ) 2. Shami - skilled 3. Umesh - swing and reverse swing 4. Khaleel - skilled ( tall ) 5. Siraj - skilled for his experience level ( tallish ) 6. Ishant - accurate in tests ( tall ) 7. Pandya ( tallish ) b) Playing for India-A 8. Saini - skilled ( tallish ) 9. Rajpoot - skilled ( tall ) 10. Prasidh - skilled for his experience level ( tall ) c) Other prominent pacers 11. Mavi - skilled for his experience level ( bouncy ) 12. Nagarkoti - skilled for his experience level 13. Avesh - Bowls a heavy ball ( tall ) 14. Aaron ( bouncy ) 15. Khejroliya - bowls a heavy ball ( tall ) 16. Thampi - 17. Asif 18. Warrier - skilled for his experience level ( tallish ) 19. Nathu - skilled for his experience level 20. Aniket C - skilled ( tall ) 21. Sangwan Prominent medium pacers or short seamers without extra pace a) In Team India 1. Bhuvi - skilled 2. Kaul - not sufficient skills for his low pace and short height 3. Chahar - just a swing bowler 4. Thakur - not sufficient skills for his standard pace and short height b) Playing for India-A 5. Gurbani - just a swing bowler c) Other prominent pacers 6. Unadkat - not sufficient skills for his low pace ( tall ) played for India 6 months back 7. Dhawal - not sufficient skills for his low pace So ... we are seeing that most prominent trundlers are getting chances and quite a few skilled quicks are sitting out.
  12. 24 points
    The Outsider

    Why no practice?

    This is essentially the difference between talent and tailunt. Yeah, some might be naturally more gifted at things than others, but at the top level when we speak of Tendulkar’s talent, it mostly refers to the immense hard work and hours in practice that he put in to achieve what he did. There is simply no substitute to practice. There was an interview of Tendulkar by Hussain I happened to watch a couple of days back, where he spoke about playing on uncovered pitches with dew before his first tour to England. His career is replete with such well known examples like his practice before facing Warne and playing on concrete surfaces before Australian tours asking bowlers to bowl from 18 yards. That’s why all this talk about Anderson being unplayable in these conditions is rubbish. Sure, the odds are heavily in his favor, but if you’ve replicated those scenarios as many times as you could, your chances of success increase. Would Tendulkar or Dravid be knocking off centuries every innings here? Probably not, but with the amount of practice and preparation they did, they would not be folding up like this either. Test cricket is replete with great knocks being played in immensely challenging situations, more difficult conditions for batting than India encountered at Lord’s. Those knocks came about because of intense training and practice, where like all great batsmen have said, the muscle memory takes over because you’ve done those things so many times before in preparation.
  13. 24 points
    kira

    My Blood is boiling !!!

    Why doesn't your blood boil when dhoni is batting?
  14. 23 points
    Indian fast bowler, Md. Shami, was on fire during the closing stages of the Johannesburg test match in January 2018. As quick yorkers and stump directed deliveries came spearing in one after another, the South Africans were losing wickets fast and crashing to a test defeat on their home turf. And we won rather quickly after this. This test match win was rather unique ... India won it without playing a single spinner while playing 4 specialist fast bowlers and a seamer-allrounder ... for the first time in our history. And what an elated feeling it was for the fast bowling fans of India ! Forty years back, the only way to differentiate between an Indian pacer and an Indian spinner was to look at the length of their run-ups. After that, we produced one good test quality pacer per decade ... Kapil in the 1980s starting 1978, Srinath in the 1990s and Zaheer in the 2000s. The 2010s decade saw a sea change. With much improved strength and endurance training, nutrition, world class facilities and fitness coaches at the NCA, rampant use of speed-guns in coaching facilities, good cricket infrastructure in many parts of India, bubbling confidence of Indians due to a fast growing economy, rookie pacers interacting with world class coaches and players in the IPL, good U19 and A-team structure etc. ... fast bowling culture finally arrived in India. And in 2018, we have so many good quality genuine fast bowlers right from the U16 stage to the senior team. Now, the 5 test series in England is about to be played. Let us take a look at the resources available to us. Pacers selected in the squad to England for the first 3 tests -- Jasprit Bumrah Age 24 Test Average 25.2 and SR 48.1 Speed range in test matches - 135 k to 148 k Bowling style - Right arm fast Bumrah is a hit-the-deck genuine fast bowler who is around 6 feet tall. He has a high arm and unorthodox action. Gets good bounce , zip off the deck and seam movement wherever possible and is a very accurate bowler. He started off as a pacer who bowled indippers most of the time ... but in the last 9 months he has also developed the delivery that moves away slightly. This has made him a very dangerous bowler. He is a thinking bowler who adapts to situations fast and is a quick learner. This, along with his ability to combine pace and bounce with skills, has made him a genuine wicket taker. He bowled with great intensity and pace in his debut test series in South Africa and ended up with 14 wickets from 3 tests ... and his transition from white ball to red ball cricket was rather smooth. His unfortunate thumb injury will make him miss the first test. I hope he gets fit for the second game. He has all the qualities to be the leader of our pace attack. Md. Shami Age 28 Test average 28.9 and SR 51.2 Speed range in test matches - 135 k to 147 k Bowling style - Right arm fast He is a short, well built, genuine fast bowler who combines pace and bounce with good skills and has an excellent ball release and seam position. He is a master of reverse swing both ways and gets consistent seam movement too wherever available. Although not a classical swing bowler, he can bowl conventionally swinging balls when conditions are helpful ... and takes the ball away from the right-handeres. He also has a vicious and skiddy bouncer which he uses liberally. Shami in full flow is a sight to behold and this has made him a low average and low SR bowler. But his career has been marred by knee injuries which has made him miss many a series. Adding to his injury woes has been some acute marital problems in the last 8 months, which has shaken him mentally. I hope he is in the mental frame of mind to give his one hundred percent in the upcoming test series. If he is firing on all cylinders, our job will become much easier in England. Umesh Yadav Age 30 Test average 34.9 and SR 58.0 Speed range in test matches - 135 k to 150 k ( but has bowled 130 k to 145 k in the last few months ) Bowling style - Right arm fast He is a skiddy fast bowler, around 5'11" , who can combine pace with outswing. But his weaknesses are lack of consistency, accuracy and insufficient bounce for such a quick bowler. He has a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde syndrome. We dont know which Umesh we are going to get, the magical wicket-taker or the club level bowler. Another problem he has developed in the last few months is bowling slower than he can. This is not a good idea for anybody, but especially for someone whose USP is pace. He has done it perhaps in search of accuracy. That hasn't happened though as most pacers are most accurate when they are bowling in full rhythm and normal pace. Bowling slower or faster than usual, both affect accuracy adversely. If he can combine outswing, pace and good lines ... he can be a handful in England. Ishant Sharma Age 29 Test average 35.5 and SR 65.9 Speed range in test matches - 132 k to 145 k Bowling style - Right arm fast-medium He is a 6'5" hit the deck pacer who has been around for more than 10 years. A slow learner and sub-par performer, he is lucky to have survived this long. But, in the last 4 years he has added value, in overseas test matches, as a workhorse pacer who can get in a lot of overs at a low economy rate while hitting the deck hard and maintaining lively pace. He has recently had a county stint and seems to have developed a better inswinger. His perennial problem has been bowling a bit shorter than ideal length and we will see whether this aspect has improved. Shardul Thakur Age 26 Test average - Yet to debut Speed range in FC matches - 130 k to 142 k Bowling style - Right arm fast-medium A short skiddy pacer, around 5'9" ... he seems to be the automatic backup seamer in all formats the moment someone is injured or rested. But is definitely not the best choice available, with so much good quality fast bowling talent available in India now. He is primarily an outswing bowler. If he can bowl a good line and length then he can be successful in England due to his ability to get outswing. He has a decent bouncer too. We have to see whether he can sustain pace in test matches. He is such a short seamer bowling at standard pace, whether he can make an impact, if the dry English summer does not offer much swing, needs to be seen too. Pacers who barely missed out due to injury or otherwise -- Bhuvneshwar Kumar ( injured ) Age 28 Test average 26.1 and SR 53.1 Speed range in test matches - 127 k to 142 k Bowling style - Right arm fast-medium India's best swing bowler who is capable of picking regular five-fors in helpful conditions or on greentops. His unavailability in swing-friendly England, atleast for the first 3 tests, is a big blow for us. He has a good seam position and can swing the ball both ways if conditions favour conventional swing, get some seam movement on greentops and is an accurate and thinking bowler. He often looks innocuous on flat or slow tracks though. After adding some pace and bounce, Bhuvi has become very competitive in test matches. He will be missed. Md. Siraj Age 24 Test average - Yet to debut Speed range - Was Bowling 135 k to 150 k in T20s ... Can he bowl 135 k to 145 k in tests ? Bowling style - Right arm fast-medium / fast A wiry, skiddy fast bowler, around 6'1", Siraj has progressed very fast after FC debut, with stellar FC, List A and A-team performances. He can bowl with genuine pace but does not always do so. His speed has improved a lot in the last 4 months. He started off as a bowler who bowled indippers mostly, but saw him bowling the away going delivery rather regularly on the just finished A-team tour to England. Previosly, most of his wickets were via skiddy quick stump directed deliveries, which fetches him lots of bowled and LBWs. He has been getting quite a few caught behinds in recent times. He has been in red hot form in the just concluded 4 day A-team series. Has picked up 15 wickets in 2 matches. Should have been picked in the test squad. Ankit Rajpoot Age 24 Test average - Yet to debut Speed range in FC matches - 130 k to 143 k Bowling style - Right arm fast-medium He is a very tall outswing bowler, around 6'3" maybe, who bowls at a lively pace. Can hit the deck hard when needed, for bounce and seam movement. Bowls a beautiful line and length too. Could have been an ideal pick for England but got injured just before the test squad was announced. He has been playing FC for a long time and has done well in both FC and on A-tours. His issues can be ... he is sometimes unable to maintain pace and intensity in 4-day matches. Navdeep Saini Age 25 Test average - Yet to debut Speed range in FC - 133 k to 145 k Bowling style - Right arm fast A skiddy fast bowler, around 6'0", he bowls a wonderful line targeting the top of off stump. He can seam the ball both ways. He bowled at high pace and with good intensity in the knock-out matches of last year's Ranji Trophy and picked up lots of wickets including fifers. He has been playing for India-A for 2 seasons now and was picked in our Test squad in the one off test versus Afghanistan. Conclusion -- If we had our 3 low-average and low-strike-rate pacers available for this test series ... Bumrah, Shami and Bhuvneshwar ... then our pace attack would have posed a tough challenge for England. Unfortunately, Bhuvi is injured and Bumrah will miss the first test atleast. This situation makes our pace attack hit or miss for the first test ... and it is time our 3 senior pacers, Shami, Ishant and Umesh, put their hands up and show some consistency and intensity. Things should improve if Bumrah is fit from the second test match onwards. @sourab10forever
  15. 23 points
    we are still holding our ace
  16. 23 points
    He may look like an Alien, but he's an Indian
  17. 23 points
    Lala

    Ball Tampering by Aus ?

    Welcome to the club Aussies. We are not alone anymore.
  18. 22 points
    This is why I love Gambhir. I know some Indians hate him, but The guy is a genuine patriot who wanted to win for India at any cost. The guy support martyrs family financially everyday without being in media. Me, being from Delhi/Haryana, started supporting KKR purely cuz Gambhir went there and now I am a kkr fan. Yes Gambhir is past his prime, but he never got his due credit. Only reason we won 2007 and 2011 World Cup was Gambhir. Simple as that.
  19. 22 points
    not because their bowling is better or batting is better. It is because they are such a crappy team no one takes them seriously and ends up paying a heavy price. They play for respect as they don't even get a full series. India on the other hand have a bullseye on their back because they are no 1 team and they get everyone's best shot. Everyone brings their A+ game when playing India and just regular game playing pakistan. I guess that is the price of success and no 1 ranking that India has to pay.
  20. 22 points
    That 30 year old body has a 19 year old birth certificate
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  23. 21 points
    Stay away from social media while I ask my PR army to dig world cup innings on social media every single time I lose a match for India. ------ Dhoni to Iyer.
  24. 21 points
    1 ) Choosing too many short medium-fast bowlers and probably instructing the lone fast bowler to bowl at a reduced pace -- I had pointed it out repeatedly ... too many short medium pacers don't work in international cricket. Most teams use one medium-paced swing bowler these days ... but too many do not work. Our pace attack looked very ordinary. Not a single specialist bowler chosen who can hit the deck hard and get bounce and seam movement. No variety at all. I found this fact amazing. 2 ) Choosing Raina for his ability to bowl 2 or 3 overs per match -- He has not been chosen in ODIs for a long time because his current ability / form is not good for this format. To choose him as a batsman because we need a 6th bowler is again poor logic. 3 ) Dhoni -- He is the super duper star who apparently can't be dropped based on non-cricketing reasons. But he is losing his hitting power day by day along with his confidence to try hitting big shots. But still hanging on to his spot despite a very low SR for a finisher, of only 84, in the last 3 years. He batted long in both the 2nd and 3rd ODIs but managed pathetic strike rates of 63 in both the matches 4 ) Not allowing Rahul to settle down at No.4 and dropping him arbitrarily -- I beleive this guy has the game to solve a part of our middle-order problems. A fabulous hitter who can hit the big shots with ease against both pacers and spinners. But is also a classical batsmen who does not have to slog to achieve the aforesaid. 5 ) Playing an unfit Bhuvi in the last ODI -- P.S -- a ) Rahane, Rayudu and Pandey are our back-up middle order batters in ODIs according to our batting coach, Bangar. So, future selection faux pas are already planned. b ) Rohit's slow, often super slow, starts is also a big problem but this topic is about selection issues ... and he has not come to the stage where he merits dropping.
  25. 21 points
    Dil behelane ke liye yeh khayal achcha hai....i The truth is that your thaila decided to come early and show his phinishing skills against the bachcha party but bachchon ne thaila ki Pant hi utaar di.

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