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Posts posted by maniac

  1. Very promising....I usually don't demonize IPL like some of the posters on here but I really hope for his sake he doesn't play the IPL for a year or even 2....I want him to even play test cricket before he gets a lucrative IPL contract.


    Yes he has the right to make big IPL $$$ but I see in his case there is a huge downside if he gets a taste of it first.

  2. This I don't agree with...even though I kind of admire Arjun putting in the hard yards even though he doesn't really need to, these net sessions could be used for local domestic or university players.


    I remember watching  a net session once....Sachin was practicing and the local university bowlers(who looked like decent bowlers)  where bowling at him...he pretty much lofted and smashed every ball straight  like it was lollipop bowling even though it was evident that the university bowlers where giving it their all and the ball was coming at a decent pace....on the other hand Javagal Srinath would take 2 or 3 steps and roll his arm over and Sachin would just play a compact defensive shot.


    Biggest takeaway from this anyway was Sir Aggy's batting practice :hail:

    ..the guy had proper technique and balance almost text book-esque



  3. 18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

    Now are we going decide whats his difficulty.

    What next wud we decide his fav sweet......wonder if its karachi halwa......yaha adho ko to attack aa jayega


    We can say his choice is bizzare but lets not find another angle to it.....

    Of course Amir,Karach Halwa,Biscuits from Karachi bakery then there would definitely be a pattern wouldn't it?


    Anyway it's just a marketing ploy...praise from Kohli means a lot more across the border than the other way round from Amir I guess 

  4. 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

    Why are people trying to find some other angle to it


    They both havent played much against each other, amir got him out in ct final, almost got him in asia cup.....so may be kohli feels he hasnt soughted him out

    MAy be he feels he has soughted anderson out 


    Jab warne bola tha usse sachin ke sapne aate hia , tab to koi ulta angle nhin nikalta tha. Just becoz he is a pakistani bowlers let stop finding other sides to it. 

    Sachin absolutely destroyed Warne in the 98 tour...it was a total ass whooping.


    Had Kohli said this about Jimmy Anderson who totally owned him It would make sense given that Anderson is really one of the best of this generation even though there could be some debate about it....Amir really?

  5. 23 minutes ago, Imtiaz said:

    No issues but they seem to be trying to establish eachother as the best of this era which is neither true and nor something that is in their domain.

    Amir is no where close to being the best of this era but again he did well against India which is the benchmark in Pak-explains long careers of Kamran Akmal,Shoaib Malik,Afridi etc etc

  6. Embarrassing....need to throw up.....does Kohli even know that this guy is a convicted felon?


    If any of us had a friend like Amir,pretty sure our moms would by now say "don't be friends with such people...burey sangat me mat pado" or even ground us till we get better friends

  7. 2 hours ago, express bowling said:


    What is " grit " according to you  ?


    Iyer has a 200+ against a  full strength Australian XI   and Pant has a 300+ in Ranji


    and they average 55 and 62 in FC   ..... and the type of  " grit "   Sehwag had. these 2 have too.

    Exactly my point.


    Nair has been out due to his issues against pace.that is more technical...but when he had the opportunity to cash in he made frickin 300 against a top side in his what 2nd game? That itself takes grit and temperament.


    These players look flashy because we see them mostly in IPL where they have to bat like that..So are we saying that none of these batsmen have ever scored on a minefield or grassy track in domestics? If that is the case I agree with OP there is a problem...or else there is no tangible measurement for grit.


    Reading Dravid's statement in the quoted part and then comparing to what OP says is contradicting...Dravid called Hardik a player adapting to conditions and who in recent times has more exciting strokeplay than Hardik? 


    And as you said Pandey and Jadhav throwing it away in positions where they can cash in is more of a problem and at the same time coming in at 250/3 in 35 th over and getting a 50(45) balls is also a problem....adaptability would be a better word here





  8. 2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

    This is a thoroughly incorrect reading of my post.  

    I didn't say they lack grit, I'm asking whether they care enough about being gritty.   My point is that the economic incentives and the current "fashion" of natural game etc is changing the definition of what a successful batsman should be.   And guess what?  I'm agreeing with Rahul Dravid - a giant of the game, in deed as well as thought.    Forget my words.  Scroll back up and read the direct quote of what Dravid said, in the first post.  


    By the way, asking to prioritize grit, and placing a value on your wicket, doesn't automatically mean I want them to stonewall away at a scoring rate of 1960s cricket.   That's an extrapolation you made without any basis.   And please, get your head out of your ass while you are on a hiding to nothing in terms of just being contrarian for the sake of it.   I mean, in one post you claim that Gavaskar had all the shots and was forced to play defensive, while in another you claim there is no place for a Gavaskar in the modern era? Which one is it?  


    Sachin may have been aggressive in his scoring approach, but you could never, ever accuse him of being flashy at the cost of giving his wicket away.  Especially while he was coming through the ranks in domestic cricket.  IIRC he scored hundreds on debut in Ranji, Duleep and Irani trophy.  And he would never say something like what Shreyas Iyer said after getting out for 80-odd in a crucial game - "Oh I have scored enough runs this season, with my 'natural game', I got out.  Its ok".   Tendy is a batsman from the Ramakant Achrekar school of batting.  Apocryphal story of the one rupee coin and all. 


    Repeating nonsense x number of times doesn't really convert it into sense.   You keep missing the forest for the trees in this thread.  I guess the fact that I mentioned tailunt's failure as a test player probably got your panties all twisted up into knots.   

    Again your question doesn't make any sense-how can they have stellar domestic records if they do not care enough about being  gritty? 


    Sure IPL $$$ has  made some players clearly take the easy option of just focusing on IPL and skipping everything else-That has more to do with laziness than grit


    as far as the batsmen you have mentioned I haven't seen anything that suggests that. Once again for your benefit-having a good career domestic record shows grit and IPL is the last place where you need to show grit isn't that obvious?


    Now Dravid as a coach might have some issues with the overlapping of techniques while adapting from one format to other and he might have noticed something but nothing as a follower of the game gives me that opinion yet as I have not seen any of the players you mentioned in that setting. Have you? 

  9. 2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

    :laugh:  Debunked? How so? 


    And yes, you have completely misinterpreted my words.  How you came to the conclusion that this post is somehow a justification for selecting Nehra or Yuvi etc only a psychiatrist can decipher, maybe after a few sessions of electro-shock therapy.   



    What I got from your post


    You said the current lot lack grit- they have stellar domestic records just like the previous era and have more adaptability across all formats-which is a upgrade 


    You were clamoring for the next Sunil Gavaskar and Rahul Dravid :laugh: when there is no place for them in the modern era may be a 2006 Rahul Dravid but that's about it.


    Then you brought in IPL hacks into the debate-which the players you mentioned atleast are clearly not may be apart from Sarfaraz a case can be made.


    Sachin Tendulkar type player comes once in a generation but then Sachin was a flashy cricketer when he started as well,so were most ATG batsmen so that is a good start rather than a concern which is what I addressed 


    I have never explained the dame thing written in the same language 3 times before-congratulations !!!!

  10. 58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

    Shreyas Iyer.   Sanju Samson.  Rishabh Pant.   Karun Nair.   Sarfraz Khan.  And the latest addition to the mix, chota packet promising to be the next big dhamaka - Prithvi Shaw.


    All of these guys seem to have that 'it' factor when it comes to their batting.  That certain something that jumps out when you watch them bat - plenty of timing, a plethora of strokes, and a willingness to take the attack to the bowlers.   But take a bit of a closer look, and you can start to see telltale signs of inconsistency - a tendency to "live hard or die trying".   Given the way the economic and 'popularity' incentives are stacked in favor of "modern" bats who are capable of exciting stroke-play, its not hard to see why the teenyboppers of Indian batting are all out to emulate the ABDVs and Rohit Sharmas of the world, as opposed to the Gavaskars and dare I say, even the great Sachin Tendulkar.   


    Gone are the days where the domestic circuit prioritized, taught and honed the ability of a young batsman's ability to put a premium price on his wicket.  These days, all you hear in terms of "cutting edge conventional wisdom" is the tiresome cliche of "expressing yourself" and "playing your natural game".  So widespread is the epidemic in India's young ranks,, that even the normally reticent Rahul Dravid felt compelled to publicly call out some of his wards.    An annoyed Dravid was quoted as dismissing all this emphasis on "natural game" as "frustrating".   Dravid chose to make his point with an unusually strong choice of words.


    Strong words they might be, but I feel that it will be inevitably swamped by the tsunami of $$$$ that has flooded cricket since the inception of the IPL.  After all, what will a young Indian cricketer aspire to be, considering the cricket circuit today - Why should he devote his energies to building his skills like say, a Murali Vijay, Che Pujara, or even an Ajinkya Rahane?  When a test cricket 'failure' like Rohit Sharma is a multi-millionaire superstar IPL team captain, and gets to be a glory hogging ODI opener for the national team because of his ability to hit sixes?  


    To some extent, this evolution of incentives and the corresponding evolution in batting is not restricted to India alone.   One look at the young batsmen coming through the ranks in England and Australia will show you a markedly 'same-ness' in the ranks.  James Vince.   Marcus Stoinis.   Chris Lynn.  Glenn Maxwell.   


    I wonder where the next Rahul Dravid will come from.  Or if he will show up at all.   Cricket will be poorer for it, if he doesn't.  

    Is there anything I misinterpreted...all those points have been debunked

  11. What Garbage!!!


    What is the basis for this gibberish?


    Let us see

    None of the guys you mentioned bar Karun Nair have played international test cricket and infact the guy got a 300 in one of the matches.There was nothing flashy about how he got out in the remainder games. It was a certain weakness against pace that got exploited and hopefully he will improve on it.


    The rest like Iyer,Samson,Pant the place most of us have seen them for the most part  is IPL which last time I checked is hit and miss cricket.


    Now if you are basing this on their domestic performances,don't most of these guys have stellar domestic records? which you only get due to "consistency" ....you don't get consistency if you don't have the temperament...and all the guys can score at a much faster rate shows the clear improvement over previous era.


    Sachin evolved to become a consistent run machine after a couple of years of experience and before that he did play a lot of flashy innings.


    Gavaskar was a flashy cricketer who for the sake of the team became a super defensive batsman...he did have a arsenal of shots as well but that won't work in 2017.


    Rahul Dravid another name you bring up upped his scoring rate in all forms of the games as he evolved and adjusted to the needs of the modern game which makes him a great.A Rahul David of the 90s is the last thing you need in this day and age.


    This thread reminds me of something a man from

    old city Hyderabad once said  -dehleez pe thook dena which in English translates to premature ejaculation

  12. 2 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

    I am a firm believer Pakistan is its own enemy. But what you said up there is a bunch of who-ha! Its something I avoid cause its nothing but pointing fingers at one another. And by the way I will do what ever the hell I want. If you disagree with my points thats fine with me but don't go off that personal.


    I am hardly getting any debates here worth a read. All are either conspracies or toungue to the cheek humor. Makes it awkward for a outsider. ICF needs improvements on that.



    Yeah when you spout stupidity like equating stone pelting incident to religious extremism and militancy and other such boneheaded statements what do you expect? Can you point me to the conspiracy theories?


    and as far as tounge in cheek humor goes isn't that the best way to respond to idiotic statements?


    making sense with your posts would be a start if you want "intellectual debates" even though I wonder what level of intellect that would need.

  13. 6 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

    Well an average Pakistani is not a teriost. If you really believe that than Its shows more of your character than anyone elses. I really don't live in that box. 



    Trust me you guys are not the only country with money in this world so please stop acting like it. Also your view of us as terriosts is totally your own thinking. I don't view Indians in a bad light. Nor do I like this generalism. Rather your white, black, orange you are people. I don't by into this hatered over labels. 


    You want me to get your point when you come up with rubbish like this. I will avoid posters like you.





    Well all  black people are thugs is also a horrible racial stereotype but doesn't mean that you will walk without a worry in the world in South Chicago  at midnight

  14. Comparing a stone pelting incident which was done probably by a drunk idiot to trained blood thirsty militants who are ready to kill and die in the process :hail: Pakistanis are a true breed.


    In Australia there are incidents when streakers run on the ground as well....it is still a security lapse but it is not the same as a suicide bomber running around shouting jalalalalalalalalalalalalala which you associate with Pakistan 

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