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  1. yes ... those numbers that makes SRT the undisputed best from those 90s & 2000s combined.And what not, that avg: of 59.41 would be worth some 65.41 in these much batting friendly 2010's with very few QUALITY bowlers compared to those in 90s.And 13607 runs being still larger than 2nd best Ponting's 13350+ makes these stats even more remarkable
  2. Well, the title says it all. Criterias used are these.Batting being the toughest discipline gets more weightage of all disciplines.Fair play, controversy free etc get lots of weightages.All rounders get more weightages.Being great across formats, being brilliant despite in a weak team get more weightages.Longevity & extra specialities get more weightages. My top 10. And reasons too. 1. Viv Richards - So far aggressive from his contemporaries in both formats,equally brilliant in both formats,never wearing a helmet and all these from one of the most difficult eras for batting makes him the top choice for me. 2. Kallis - Great in batting (most difficult discipline) , good bowler, equally brilliant in 2 formats, longevity etc etc. 3. Sachin - Great record in both formats, most longevity in both formats, being the most complete batsman in each and every sense, pressure of huge expectations, a useful bowler etc etc. 4. Gilchrist - a great wicket keeper & a great batsman combined. In short great in 2 disciplines .Being a wicket Keeping all rounder in general is easier than a bat-bowl all rounder & hence placed below Kallis. Him being a part of a great team had its advantages too. 5. Kapil Dev -Sure to raise a few eye brows. Both his bowling & batting stats need to be evaluated based on some vital factors when compared with fellow allrounders.Longevity,lack of support bowling,work density are the bowling factors. In batting he was aggressive than even Viv, was the undisputed best in WI( the best team of 80s) in both batting & bowling among top all rounders, played several high quality aggressive back to the wall knocks against high quality bowling units etc etc . Was the top one day all rounder of his times,a brilliant captain who achieved some great results with a fairly weaker team,a brilliant all round fielder too. In some of my earlier posts I have detailed a lot as to why I regard him so highly. 6. Lara - His penchant for big scores is well known. Being in a relatively weaker team supports more for his case. 7. Ambrose - Deadly fast bowler, equally great in both formats,enough longevity etc etc. 8. Botham - In his peak no body could give such brilliant all round performances as he could. But this peak was hugely helped by packer cricket,presence of 2 great fellow bowlers too.Conversely his rough was exactly opposite to that of his peak.More over he was a pale shadow of his normal self in Windies.Was not in the level of Kapil as a one day player either. 9. Shane Warne - A brilliant artist of one of the hardest disciplines, leg spin bowling.And he turned out to be the most successful one in every aspects in both formats.One of the key components in making the Aussies the top team of their time. 10. Mcgrath -A great fast bowler with such longevity in both formats of the game.Like Warne, he was another key member for the dominance of that Australian team. But was less faster & less nastier than Ambrose. Presence of Warne helped him a lot too. 11. Ponting - Such great record in both formats of the game.To add to that his longevity & great all round fielding too. First I missed Lara .Hence I updated it .So Ponting in the list remains at 11th.Your thoughts.
  3. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Agree that facing the 4 of them as a group was a mammoth task.But SG scored only 1 100 vs those 4 together Apart from that SG scored 6 more 100s against atleast 1 of them in the team. In one of these 6 100s, only Holding was present and that too abroad.In another 1 of these which was abroad Holding & Roberts played.But Roberts was at the best a border line ATG.Even after playing with other greats a lot & playing only 43 tests his avg: went past 25. In another 2 of these 100s only a rookie Marshall was there and that too at home.Another 100 was at home vs 2 of them & yet another one vs 3 of them at home.So, all in all SG's performance was brilliant , but I don't think scoring 100s vs Akram,Amrose & Walsh,Donald & Pollock,Murali,Steyn lacks that far behind.
  4. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    agree with this .
  5. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    It's ok....no problems.That is what I am saying. I do take into account that Ponting's record in India is below par & I discredit him for that factor.But for that matter even Dravid's record in SAF is almost similar & Lara in India too was not that far than what Ponting could achieve.Any way , as I always maintain , my way of comparing 2 batsmen is to take a lot of batting factors .Evaluate the performances of both these batsmen in each of these factors.Then sum it up. Based on that performance in all countries : SG definitely better. batting avg: Ponting avg: once stood at 58.5 after 10250 runs compared to SG's over all avg: of 51.12 or so.Then Yeah SG was an opener hence I am weighing SG's avg: a lot more even at around 54.Ponting played in a convincingly stronger AUS team and that goes against him a bit. Sill Ponting better here. aggressiveness : Ponting played several dominant 100s even against top qlty attacks.Taking nothing away from SG's methods.He too has several big inns against top quality bowling attacks.But because Ponting being more aggressive, he gets a bit more points here. One dayers -The stats are too leniant towards Ponting.When quite a few of his contemporaries could convincingly out do SG in this format, his not up to the mark performance can't be excused as nothing serious.He atleast played one day cricket for 12 years. So all in all my mind says it is Ponting though I badly wish he wasn't one because I don't generally like arrogants succeeding.Based on that , though my heart says to place SG slightly better because of myself being an Indian,my sense of being true to myself doesn't allow that.Ponting by the skin of teeth.That's all. Having said that,i take extreme satisfaction & some sort of joy in the fact that SG is one of the ATGs from India & a legend of the game.
  6. Mysterious triple centuries of Ravi Jadeja

    that 3 300s is a performance even the greats like Sachin,Dravid, Sunil etc couldn't achieve.That means he has temperament to play long inns for sure when all conditions favours him..
  7. Mysterious triple centuries of Ravi Jadeja

    i think he has started to do justice to what ever talent he posses.There is a vast improvement in his performances in his last 16 tests.
  8. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Ponting scored 11 100+ scores against opponent teams in which there was atleast 1 ATG bowler in tough conditions.By 'tough' conditions it doesn't necessarily mean abroad. For instance scoring a 100+ against Warne in AUS is not that tough.But against Warne in IND is tough because of the spin friendly conditions. Similarly scoring vs Akram in AUS is tough becaue of pace friendly conditions despite Ponting having the home advantage. These ATG bowlers were Akram, Ambrose ,Walsh , Pollock , Donald, Steyn & Murali.To put it in context, Dravid could score only 4 100+ scores against 4 bowlers namely Donald,Pollock,Warne & Murali.Sachin has 14 100+ scores against 6 ATG bowlers.Gavaskar has 10 100+ scores vs 7 ATG bowlers namely FAB4 of Windies,Imran,Underwood & Willis.In this regard Ponting is far superior to Dravid, on a par with Gavaskar & only lags slightly behind Sachin.And I didn't count Ponting's 100+ score in IND vs Kumble & Harbhajan either because of these 2 bowlers being not ATGs. I hated Ponting the human being like any thing because of his arrogant behaviour, but just can't neglect his greatness as batsman.
  9. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Getting personnel by using the words of your choice is not calling spade a spade, it is insulting a person.Any way let us stop this discussion w.r.t this right here.I shall stick on with my stance and you shall with yours. No regrets.
  10. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    As I earlier said , I do not find it 'not sensilble' if any one places SG over Ponting as a pure test batsman. But what about the glaring difference in favour of Ponting in one dayers?? Agreed, test cricket carries more weightage.Yet are we to dismiss one dayers as irrelavent?
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    You need to calm down a little bit.... i feel . Just because some body differs from you over a matter of a game , it is not fair to get 'over the top' with using words like 'harping,not having enough information and knowledge,inability to account for the differences in eras,lack of objectivity is glaring, stockholm syndrome' etc etc.Another thing is that you are seen some times exaggerating points I mentioned about.For instance ' Gavaskar's defensive style a a negative, while Ponting's "aggressive" style apparently gains your favor.' - Did I dismiss 'Gavaskar's defensive style' as negative ??? I just gave pointing little a bit more credit for his aggressive play in this one one comparison .That's all. And when you use Rohit-SRT case to compare with SG-Ponting case , I have nothing much to say.I am thoroughly aware of Ponting's record in India too for which I discredit him.'Hongkong Sixes or not' while SG was playing his last world cup,it was the 4rth world cup till date & 'the 83 world cup win' was celebrated crazily like any thing thru out the nation.So much so for dismissing one dayers as 'Hongkong Sixes level'.
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    Just can't believe these OTT comments w.r.t placing Ponting just slightly above SG. SG only scored a single century (147*) against that FAB 4. And in that entire tour he avg:ed only 30+ that too with this 147* score.That is why I maintains that SG despite being a brilliant player of fast bowling was a bit over hyped.Agreed , when compared to Ponting he belonged to a weaker team & he was an opener too.But Ponting scored some 3000+ more runs in his career.At one stage after scoring around 10250 runs(SG has only 10125 runs and when he retired he was way past 38 years old) his avg: stood at 58.5.And Ponting too had to withstand top quality bowlers during his time like Wasim.Waqar,Saqlain,Akhtar,Ambrose,Walsh,Donald,Pollock,Ntini,Dale Steyn,Kumble,Murali etc etc.Ponting was very aggressive too. Yeah... despite all these merits & demerits each of these 2 possessed , I don't mind any body placing SG over Ponting as a pure test batsman. But it is in one dayers that Ponting is convincingly better to SG for me. Scored some 10000+ runs more than SG,avg:ed 7 more & had a str; rate of 18+ more.Agreed that SG played in an era which was slightly more bowler friendly than what was the case with Ponting.Also agreed SG was an opener in onedayers too.But yet the difference is clearly evident.And in SG's period batsmen like Greenidge,Haynes,Lloyd,Richards,Miandad,Zaheer Abbas,Greg Chappel,Dean Jones etc had clearly better one day figures than SG.That means SG's fall in performance when compared to his test exploits was not a general case either.And Ponting was a great world cup player too. All in all, in the end, I select a batsman who was great in 2 formats over another one who was great in one format but only 'very good' at the best in another format
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    During his tampering years in pre multi camera days , did Imran's 'call for neutral umpires' go for a hiding ?? Towards the fag end of his career with almost nothing to lose personally, he called for neutral umpires? So what is the big deal in it ?Any way, to believe that even with neutral umpires around ,Imran didn't go on with his expert methods atleast in minimal levels is naive.
  14. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Did I say Gavaskar wasn't a great batsman? Taking both merits & demerits of both Ponting & Gavaskar & analysing them, I consider Ponting slightly better, may be by a few inches.That's it
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    It is not gymnastic twisting and bending or some thing like that ,it's just analysing & evaluating 2 contemporary players based on the various contexts they played in. Bias towards Imran?? For your info:, in my teens I adored him like any thing. yes that 87 series loss in IND & the one day series loss after that hurt a lot that time .But naturally that hatred towards the opposition captain grew up into respect & admiration with time.After all greatness transcends all boundaries.Isn't it? That adoration was so severe that I purchased his 'All round view' book for very high cost that time.Those days I placed him as the best all rounder of the FAB 4 because in those days it was just about averages for me.Once, when he admitted to resorting to using bottle top once in a county match I just thought he was being sincere to himself and trusted his word 'once'.After that, in one of the TV programmes, Maninder singh was seen briefing about that 83 series of India in Pakistan.I still remember him saying the balls bowled by Pakistani bowlers curving like a banana in that seriees & hence questioning their methods.It is then that the seeds of doubts were created in my mind and I started to seriously doubt Imran.When Aamer Sohail came up with strong allegations against Imran after that world cup loss in 2011 , Imran's gradually diminishing legacy in my mind took a severe beating that day.That prompted me to browse the net w.r.t this a lot more.I could come across testimonies of various eminent people w.r.t Imran's tampering methods. And ever since , I have been coming across various articles w.r.t the same.Naturally the once blind adoration has turned into genuine hatred towards that cheater.If I didn't admire Imran that much, I wouldn't have intensely hated him either.And to think that a lot of results were achieved thru such illegal methods .... I can't describe to you the feeling. I recently went thru the score card of that Sharjah final where Javed hit that last ball six. I have serious doubts of that match too after viewing the score card.All in all it is not bias with out genuine reasons. W.R.T Gavaskar-Ponting, the details you gave w.r.t Ponting are new to me.It takes a little glow off Ponting's credentials.Yet I still feel he was slightly better to SG all in all.Ponting was a lot more aggressive, he was convincingly better than SG in one dayers , SG was not that legendary against Windies FAB 4 as it is hyped up etc etc stand as my reasons. Now w.r.t 'support bowling strength' factor of which you have accused as ' gymnastic twisting and bending' , the recently concluded IND-SL series emphatically confirms my belief even more than ever.Herath who is a borderline great of the game & who was reaping bucket full of wkts till recently came a cropper against this strong Indian unit.He was not fully fit either due to non top cricket.In such a scenario what he desperately needed & what he thoroughly deserved(being the great servant to SL cricket that he has been) against the Indians was a strong support bowling unit from which he can feed off.But it didn't happen and his stats seriously suffered in this series.On the other hand a rookie Hardik Pandya who avg:es only 34 as a bowler even in first class cricket ended up with 23.75 bowl avg: while feeding off from the bowling exploits of certified bowling greats in 'subcontinent conditions' Jadeja & Ashwin.I thinks of in the lines as to what would have been their bowling avg:s ,had Herath been in India camp & Hardik in SL camp. I am sure the difference in avg:s for both players would have been convincingly larger.So, with out taking such contexts into account ,I think it is foolish to evaluate players based on their avg:s only.
  16. 3rd Test : SL v IND | 12th AUG 10PM IST | pallekele

    hats off . ..... brilliant performance.....to convincingly beat this Lankan team 3- 0 who inturn whitewashed AUS team not so long ago. Yet it would be more satisfying if IND put up atleast some fight in away tours of AUS,SAF,ENG & NZL.
  17. Hardik Pandya scored his first test century

    i think it's too early to over estimate him.But one plus point in his favour as a batsman is that he can score too quickly & have the ability to use brute force to hit even slow bowlers to the cleaners. He can use these two factors positively in every conditions & if he has the required technique to with stand those swinging & bouncing deliveries he can score adequate runs every where
  18. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    that is the same thing I am asking to you.What are you even talking about ?? i have brought the names Botham,Imran & Chappel in my msg: . And I have said a few things relating these 3 persons in that msg:. There is a reason as to why I am not at all interested to reply to emotional Pakistani like you. First do one thing... try to comprehend what I tried to convey thru my earlier post w.r.t these 3 names.
  19. Really surprised to see Pujara leading others by such big margin in the poll. Infact he has the worst record in ENG,AUS,SAF,NZL & WI combined as of now.
  20. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    i think it was Sarfraz Nawaz who passed it over to Imran.Again, the most important matter here is not 'to give credit for introducing some thing new', but whether that introduction is thru fair,ethical & legal tactics.
  21. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    I would have credited Imran if he achieved reverse swing with out these unfair tactics.That is plain cheating.No 2 ways about it. Each and every player do not come with lists? Is it ? Botham or Lamb or Smith or Sandhu or Maninder has not come with lists till now.And what ever is the case with these lists, there is some thing with in our mind that strictly asks us to accept things based on merits.Based on that I personally can't accept some one's greatness as such which was boosted by cheating .Any way as i earlier said each to their own.
  22. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Agreed that reverse swing is possible with out tampering.Bowlers of post 2000 are able to reverse the ball too , but definitely not even closer to the levels that was possible in the 90s & and even more in the 80s .Using external objects like bottle tops to alter the shape of the ball is illegal & unethical , which ever way we look at it. In the case of Imran , it is not one or 2 people who have accused him of this evil, infact several,even his own country men. The final nail on the coffin was stuck by Rameez Raja ,who put forward an article in cricinfo as to 'how this tampering was some sort of patent material of the Pakistanis just like sledging was that of Aussies & whining as that of the English.Once Ian Botham was asked as to why he did not include Imran in his list of 'top 50 sportsmen' Botham's reply was that " No, he wouldn't get close. Wasn't good enough. It's not a personal thing. He just wasn't good enough."On another instance he quoted 'now the best thing Imran can do is to keep his mouth shut because he has already done enough damage to this game'. And it is well known about the animosity between Botham & Imran that we would be prone to believe this opinion as a result of that animosity.But another fact is that Botham & Ian Chappel were the most bitter enemies so much so that Botham even once stated some thing in the lines of 'Chappel being non existant as a human'.But yet when Chappel was asked to pick his list of all rounders, he picked Botham in his list some where at the top.That is the result of acceptance of 'genuine great ness' despite such bitter disliking. On the other hand Botham didn't pick Imran .Naturally,from all these testimonies one is inclined to believe in the ' levels' that Imran was indulged in these 'methods'. And tampering might has been done by other bowlers too.But that doesn't make it an ok matter.Cheating is unfair, which ever way we look at it.But Kapil was one of the bowlers who did not resort to this unfair tactic.My stance is to give extra credit to fair play & ethics rather than to discredit it. Any way each to their own
  23. Kohli far too inconsistent in tests?

    Kohli is doing perfectly ok for a batsman playing all 3 formats.He is easily the best one day & t20 batsman of this era.Might be, the traits of that aggressive batting that makes him such a great limited overs player is having its negative influence on Kohli the test batsman.Yes... he can polish his test technique a bit more w.r.t areas where he is not that strong.But still it is too much a task to expect a 55+ bat avg: in tests from him(50+ is practically possible for him). Other than that he is ok .
  24. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    leave aside all the other matters,it is surprising that you are completely neglecting the tampering allegations against him,let alone by several of his contemporary cricket related people but even by his country men like Aamer Sohail & Rameez Raja. His own career track is a testimony to this factor.After first 9 years of mediocrity , suddenly turning out to be a super human bowler churning out sub 15 avg:s series after series.I have never ever seen such a strange career record apart from that of Imran.
  25. what right has the BCCI to block Sreesanth from playing again?? The court has deceided that he is innocent.Ofcourse, i hate his antics as any thing, and he should not be brought any way near national team because he is not of international calibre.But he has every right to earn a living by playing some sort of cricket.

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