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  1. In tests only it is Rahane. He has the most rounded avg:s in all non sun continent countries. In subcontinent, he is ok too.Kohli needs to improve his ENG record vastly. Pujara as of now is only avg: in non subcontinent.Rahul has long way to go. Vijay has far less an over all avg:.
  2. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    firstly it is not 29 & 22 , it is 28.87 & 22.81 what ever it is , I am not telling that Kapil in the company of 3 33.26 bowlers thru out his career suddenly would have become a Dale Steyn instead of him being in the company of 3 38.33 bowlers.I am only telling that his avg: would have positively benefitted quite a bit ,say at least by 0.8 , the other 1.2 because of getting intense work density reduced ,thus 28.86-0.8-1.2 =26.86. This because it is not one support bowler with 33.26 avg: but 3 of them.Hence the combined avg: difference of 15.21 is quite large & thus can make some postive difference to Kapil's bowl avg:.
  3. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Imran lead Kapil by 28.87-22.81 = 6.06. The other 3 together in Imran's group lead the counter 3 from Kapil's group by 5.07*3 = 15.21. Naturally my common sense tells me to believe that Imran benefitted a lot more 'from the other 3 combined' than vice versa.
  4. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Now let me get to the exact support bowling data of both Kapil & Imran.Imran's is for his entire career & Kapil's is for his first 21000 balls( the milestone before his terminal decline started) where he avg:ed 28.87. The 'extends' of support Imran got from Wasim & Waqar and all other bowlers gets included in this data.This data is obtained from an advanced filter search in cricinfo. total PAK 39354 RUNS 1297 WKTS AVG: 30.34 iMRAN 8258 362 WKTS AVG: 22.81 OTHERS 31096 935 WKTS AVG: 33.26 TOTAL IND 46175 1292 WKTS AVG: 35.74 kAPIL 10222 354 WKTS AVG: 28.87 OTHERS 35953 938 WKTS AVG: 38.33 bowling support avg: of Imran is 33.26 & that of Kapil is 38.33.In other words if both IND and PAK consisted of 4 main bowlers each including Imran & Kapil in the team ,the other 3 bowlers of PAK each avg:ed 33.26 while for IND each of them avg:ed 38.33.And this was the case in each match on the avg: both these players played.When we read as a whole, we can see as to how big the gap was between support bowling units .
  5. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    26.86 is just a rounded figure in all probablity. if 'would have' & 'should have' doesn't work, i do not find any meaning in one-one comparisons either. For instance, a bowler who bowled along with Wasim,Waqar,Iqbal Qasim would benefit a lot in numbers than another one who bowled with Binny,Madanlal,Maninder.This because likes of Wasim,Waqar with far more capacity to create wicket taking deliveries in frequent intervals would change the match situations positively considerably thru out the match.Naturally the bowler under consideration can benefit a lot especially econ: wise when compared to another bowler who has Binny,Madanlal as partners who can't strike even in remotely closer levels to Wasim,Waqar.This is only a matter of simple cricket sense, i feel.Any body who has watched test cricket practically some what, can understand this. And even if keeping aside what all I said , still I can't rate Imran the bowler just as I used to once because of tampering allegations.The data 'Muloghonto' put forward w.r.t his tampering expertrise periods are really eye opening.As Balwinder Sandhu points out, he can't just place Imran above Kapil just for this matter alone.
  6. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    These are not some random numbers.I wonder as to why you dismiss them as 'random no:'. first longevity is removed from the equation.Kapil was in terminal decline after first 21000 balls in his career.At that point he avg:ed 28.86.Imran in his whole career of some 19550 balls avg:ed 22.81. It is only sensible to assume that had Imran went on bowling some 27000+ balls like Kapil did, his avg: would have been far more than 22.81.So I think this way when analysing Kapil's career in that what would have been his avg: had he bowled just 21000 balls only( the nearest milestone point as to that of Imran where he avg:ed the best) in his entire career with advantages in both work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed ? firstly 22.81/28.86 = 79% (when longevity alone removed) Now I firmaly believe that with advantages in both work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed Kapil would have avg:ed around 26.85 , an increase by 2 from 28.86 . 22.81/26.86 = 85%. You may agree or disagree with me with regard to the extend by which these 2 factors would have improved Kapil's avg:. But you can't deny the postitive effects of these 2 factors by 'some' margin ? Isn't it ?Hence this is not any 'random number', but basically, evaluating Kapil's bowl avg: on the basis of adverse effects of longevity, support bowling strength & work density. Playing with Wasim,Waqar,Sarfraz,Qadir,Iqbal Qasim is not the same as playing along with Binny,Madan lal, & co etc etc.Similarly bowling first 19500 balls in just '8 years & 5 months' is so different from doing that in long 21 years.Isn't it? Now you may highly doubt as to just because of the advantages in these 2 factors namely work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed , would Kapil's bowl avg: have improved by 2 from 28.86 to 26.86.Here are some data to support my claims. Kapil had 247 wkts in his first 62 tests(4 wkts/test) in just 5 years & 5 months time.Then came the knee injury and surgery. Kapil just ignored this and continued playing immediately.The result was only 64 wkts in next non stop 26 tests (2.46 wkts/test) with in about 2.5 years time. In his first 62 tests he avg:ed 27.72.In the next 26 tests he avg:ed 35+.Had he taken complete rest and turned out to play again after getting this injury fully healed, would his figures been so distorted in that it went from 4 wkts/test to 2.46 wkts/test? I don't think so.Similarly going by this incident there is every possible chance that despite him not being fully fit(this can be mentally or physically),he turned out to play. So Kapil placed country before self and hence his stats suffered.So this factor of 'playing too much in too little time periods' or let us say 'work density' affected Kapil's stats adversely a lot. I hand picked 88 tests(no: of tests that Imran played) of Kapil spread over 'his series with most number of wkts/tests'.i could find that he gathered 351 wkts from these 88 tests.Not much of a difference from Imran who has 362 wkts from 88 tests.this is a true relfection of the effect that both 'longevity' and 'work load and attitude' combined had on Kapil's bowling figures. Once some one posted some data w.r.t percentage of top order wkts of great bowlers.Kapil came 3rd in the list with 46+ % of top order wkts despite playing a large no: of 131 tests. All the above data convince me about the 'extend' by which Kapil's bowl avg: would have improved had he bowled just 21000 balls only( the nearest milestone point as to that of Imran where he avg:ed the best) in his entire career with advantages in both work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed.To me that +2 in avg: from 28.86 to 26.86 is just a realistic figure and not exaggerated by any stretch. Now w.r.t batting. Imran 126 inns, 25 not out, 3807 runs, avg: 37.69 str:rate 47.52 runs/inns 30.21 Kapil 130 inns, 10 not out, 3884 runs, avg: 32.37 str:rate 84.40 runs/inns 29.88(after this milestone Kapil's terminal decline started) The above data is w.r.t Kapil's batting in first meaning ful 130 inns(In the above stats, Of the actual 132 inns in these 92 tests, two '0' not outs are removed because they contribute nothing to runs/inns value and so are dummy not outs) .You can see there is virtually no difference in runs/inns value. Another thing is how this large % age of not outs highly inflate Imran's bat avg:. The best way to evaluate Imran's bat avg: is to assume in practical lines as to how his avg: would have ended ,had he went on uninterruptedly with his not out inns and eventually remained not out only 10 times as Kapil did. I am just assuming here that he would have at the best put on some 300 runs more (20 runs/ inns. Even this is too much ) .So 3807 + 300 = 4107. Avg: = 4107/116 = 35.41. In this process ,agreed that his runs/inns value would have increased to 4107/126 = 32.59 Both Imran's & Kapil's avg: batting position thru out their career was on the avg: 7.06 & 7.17 respectively.Not much of difference here.But Kapil scored 29.88 runs/inns in just 35.4 balls where as Imran scored 30.21 runs/inns in 63.57 balls . From the above data, it can be assumed that what Imran did generally was to give support to top order batsmen above him,feed of from there 'well set' situation, then get set and score runs in the company of lower order batsmen.What Kapil did in general was to take on the bowlers and score runs almost single handedly in the company of lower order batsmen.For me the Kapil's case is more vital & difficult because Imran could feed of from well set batsmen before him by playing out some balls before getting set. Naturally when Kapil played big inns, he did it all by himself which is even more difficult a task.On the other hand Imran fed of from well set batsmen even more when he scored big. I am saying this so assuredly because I have went thru each and every one of their big inns in detail. In general when you are playing at 7th batting position, scoring fastly is more diffucult & vital when compared to grinding it out .And this is even more so when playing big inns.Had there a difference of atleast a 6 runs/inns in favour of Imran , I would have agreed with you.But the difference being virtually nil ,29.88 : 30.21 Kapil's contribution of agressive scoring has more weightage for me. Now on a side note , late 30s to early 40s was the norm str: rate those days.It is there that Kapil's was 84.4 .Even Viv had only around 70. Take some one like Kallis.He scored some 5000+ runs more, avg:ed 5+ more than Viv. Why Viv is considered one of the undisputed legendary batsman where as Kallis remains only one among the several greats? Why??? It is because of Viv's aggresive batting(taking game to the opposition).In short, what Viv did emphatically (taking game to the opposition) at middle order, Kapil did even more emphatically at lower order with an 84.4 str: rate.This is truely reflected in almost all of Kapil's big inns.He destroyed quality bowling attacks all alone himself from precarious back to the wall team positions when he scored big. Another factor is, Kapil was the best in every sense in Windies(best team of their era).So all in all ,if Kallis can't be placed at more than 93% in a Viv-Kallis comparison, I can't place Imran at more than 90% in a Kapil-Imran compariso.n
  7. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    first longevity is removed from the equation.Kapil was in terminal decline after first 21000 balls in his career.At that point he avg:ed 28.86.Imran in his whole career of some 19550 balls avg:ed 22.81. It is only sensible to assume that had Imran went on bowling some 27000+ balls like Kapil did, his avg: would have been far more than 22.81.So I think this way when analysing Kapil's career in that what would have been his avg: had he bowled just 21000 balls only( the nearest milestone point as to that of Imran where he avg:ed the best) in his entire career with advantages in both work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed ? firstly 22.81/28.86 = 79% (when longevity alone removed) Now I firmaly believe that with advantages in both work density & support bowling unit in the levels as Imran enjoyed Kapil would have avg:ed around 26.85 , an increase by 2 from 28.86 . 22.81/26.86 = 85%. You may agree or disagree with me with regard to the extend by which these 2 factors would have improved Kapil's avg:. But you can't deny the postitive effects of these 2 factors by 'some' margin ? Isn't it ? Playing with Wasim,Waqar,Sarfraz,Qadir,Iqbal Qasim is not the same as playing along with Binny,Madan lal, & co etc etc.Similarly bowling first 19500 balls in just '8 years & 5 months' is so different from doing that in long 21 years.Isn't it? '
  8. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    first removing longevity, Kapils' avg: stood at 28.86 after first 21000 balls.(hope you would agree on this because had Imran went on bowling 27000+ balls as Kapil did his avg: would have reached at far more than 22.81.This is because of the factor of terminal decline, which is the most severely affected for 'all rounders' because of their multi tasks in hand) So 22.81/28.86 = 79% a bowler to Imran. Now just assume that Kapil bowled these 21000 balls by taking as much breathing space as Imran did between tours(this is most emphatically reflected in Kapil's dip in stats due to not taking adequate rest & there by not getting his injury & surgery completely healed after the knee surgery of his in 1983), with the same sort of support bowling strength that Imran enjoyed(playing in the company of Waqar,Wasim & other calibre bowlers is vastly different than that in the company of Binny, Madanlal & co), I am sure that Kapil would have ended at around 26.85 avg: . So 22.81/26.85 = 85% a bowler to Imran. Naturally when avg: increases as a whole, the avg:s in individual countries too would improve.After that, giving more weightage to str: rate than econ: in tests, most weightage to avg: & str: rate in best country(Windies), more weightage to avg:s & str: rates in abroad non minnow countries than that in home country etc etc, that efficiency increases to lot more than 85%.This because even at 28.86(79% efficiency stage) stage, Kapil's str:rate stood at around 91% as that of Imran,his avg: was the better in Windies, his avg:s in other non minnow abroad countries differed much lesser from Imran's corresponding figures than what was the case with home conditions. So all in all, in my mind Kapil was around 87% a test bowler to that of Imran.And in batting I can't place Imran at more than 90% to Kapil because of vast str: rate difference( 47.52:84+), figures in WI, & qlty difference on the avg: w.r.t big inns played. So Kapil was slightly better a test all rounder for me because 10% difference in weaker discipline(batting) is more than enough to over come 13% difference in bowling as the criteria at our hand being 'better all rounder' . In one dayers Kapil was better all rounder. Though Imran was slightly better captain, Kapil was even better all round fielder. Before considering all the above,take into account ball tampering. That itself is enough to place Kapil above Imran.
  9. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Marshall belonged to perhaps the greatest team of all time, especially bowling wise. Hence he enjoyed a bit more support from the 'team work' than the other 3 bowlers in the list.And Marshall was not equally brilliant in both formats like the other 3.He didn't have their longevity either. SMG at the best was only a good category batsman in one dayers. He lacked longevity in one dayers too. And w.r.t Imran , as I have always maintained taking the difference between plain bat avg: & bowl avg: is as sense less as it can get.Imran's bat avg: is hugely inflated by not outs.Kapil's murderous str: rate, his record in West Indies & the difference in quality between their big inns on the average in every sense(which i have personally analysed very deeply) makes Kapil convincingly better a batsman for me. In test bowling too, Kapil's longevity,support bowling unit strength & work density played a huge part in deceiding his end avg:. And in one dayers Kapil was the better all rounder.If Imran was slightly better captain, Kapil was even more better all round fielder.So all in all , for me Kapil was the better all rounder(at the least I just can't accept with some body who considers Imran convincingly superior to Kapil.In other words they were at least on same levels ). Now taking into account the fact of tampering allegations against Imran , that is the final nail on the coffin with even dismissing all the above said matters.This places Botham too above Imran.
  10. jadeja has the potential to go even further up.Hope he transforms his performance in first class cricket to international level
  11. Jadeja suspended for Pallekele Test

    Yes, in general non whites , asians in particular get rough treatments when compared to whites is a well known factor. But what the hell , the so called influential BCCI is doing to stop such discriminations against Indian players???
  12. Is Shreyas Iyer ready for international bout

    especially Iyer & Pant need to be given national caps as early as possible in place of the likes of Rohit Sharma to get established for the long run.This because they have age in their side.
  13. Is Shreyas Iyer ready for international bout

    Seems to be a really great all round talent.Age too is in his side.So it is the right time to give a national cap and develop him.
  14. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Kohli ? Hope you are not joking .As of now he has lot of flaws in his test record.No longevity, not even 50 avg: , a paltry 13 avg: in ENG.... Kohli has a long way to go.
  15. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    agreed. but the fact is that there are no openers to challenge the batsmen from my list.The nearest names are Hayden & Smith. Hayden avg:s 50+ & 40+ respectively in both formats .Smith have around 48 & 38 respectively.But both have enough other holes in their records if you dig in little a bit deeper into their stats.Not adequate enough to replace any of the names I specified. Viv,Sachin,Lara & Ponfing are definitely above Smith & Hayden even by general conception.
  16. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    tell me one opener who was really great across formats with required longevity.Openers do not require that higher an avg: as that of a middle order batsmen. Yet tell me one who can challenge any one from my list. The names that come to mind are Haynes,Greenidge,Kirsten,Hayden,Sehwag,Jaysurya,Smith... all have holes in their stats.
  17. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    yeah... Akram was hugely talented for a fast bowler.He made fast bowling a great entertainment with his loads of variations. But strong allegations of tampering against him take some glows of his records. And surprisingly his record against top order batsmen paled in comparison to some one like Mcgrath who made a habit of taking top order wickets.
  18. Top 10 cricketers of the last 40 years

    Firstly I entirely missed out on Lara at first. How can this be bias? . Gilchrist, Warne & Mcgrath were the stand out performers in that Aussie line up.They made Aussies one of the GOAT teams.
  19. his admiration for Imran is quite embarassing. Hope he is aware of the darker sides of Imran's cricket too.
  20. Sir Jadeja averages 50 with bat in last 10 matches

    that is exactly the reason as to why i feel Jadeja should be made to bat high up the order. At least, has to be tested because his record as a first class cricketer & also these test stats prove that he has high chance of succeding.A player with 3 triple 100s & also 43+ avg: in first class cricket shows that he has the temperament to play long inns when conditions truly favour him. Another strong point to issue this case is that out of the 10 not out scores he has till now, 7 of them are 30+ scores. And in his last 22 inns he remained not out 8 times, of which 6 are 30+ scores & 5 are 42+ scores . In this period his record is as follows. 15 22 8 641 90 45.78 920 69.70 0 7 1 49 24 To avg: 45.78 @ str: rate of 69.70 along with 7 50s shows that he has come up a lot as a batsman.Even if he scored at the least 91 runs more in these 8 not out scores had he went on with these & eventually remained with 2 not outs only , he would still have avg:ed around 37. A 37 avg:ing left handed batsman with around 70 str: rate in the middle order is a huge plus giving various options for the team in all conditions.
  21. Sir Jadeja averages 50 with bat in last 10 matches

    those avg:s are highly inflated by not outs. Yet these stats are truly remarkable.Hope he goes on with same level of performances.
  22. what is there to get offensive about ?
  23. The myths propagated by Sachin detractors

    the complete batsman of the 90s & 2000s. had more boxes ticked than all other batsmen of his times.
  24. TOP 5 all rounders of all time

    Not sure such a topic has already been posted here in ICF. Anyways posting the same. Omitting wicket keepers because they are different sort of all rounders. My top5 1. Gary Sobers - Genius with the bat with around 58 avg: .Played in an era with much less protective gears than what is available now a days.Agreed that in his days media scrutiny was much lesser & his technique was not exposed to technical analysis as is the case now a days, but yet when considered the merits & demerits as a whole his achievement is legendary. He was a versatile left arm bowler who could bowl fast/medium, orthodox & chinaman who avg:ed around 34 with the ball.To add to that he was brilliant fielder. A real match winner who put magical performances with bat & ball together in several series. 2. Jaques Kallis - Calibre enough to avg: 55+ in these technology advanced & intense media scrutiny days.Much greater longevity than Sobers in both the disciplines.More of a grafter when compared to Sobers with the bat.Not only that he played both the formats of the game with such longevity. In bowling he took nearly 300 wkts at around 32 avg: . Yes... in bowling he benefitted a lot in the company of great bowlers like Donald , Pollock & Steyn, yet his achivement is nothing short of brilliant. He too put quite a few brilliant performances with both bat and ball in some series. 3. Kapil Dev - May spring a surprise because of him being placed above 'traditionally believed to be superior' all rounders like Imran, Botham & Miller. Reasons. why above Imran - Batting - Imran's bat avg: is hugely inflated by one 'not out' in every 5 inns. In a series at home vs AUS , he avg:ed 64 in 3 inns with 2 notouts by scoring only a total of 64 runs.To avg: 64 he actually needed to score 192 runs. Just look how vastly this 'not out' factor inflated the avg:. This, in the first half of his career when he was only a Stuart Broad calibre batsman. Similarly there are several not out inns of Imran all thru his career. Kapil played for so longer than Imran(184: 126 inns ) , he was destructive than even Viv Richards( In his first 126 inns his str: rate was 84+ which eventually dropped to 81 at the end of his career.Imran's was only 47.5) ,they were chalk & cheese apart in WI(best team of their times which matters a lot) with Kapil outscoring Imran in avg:,big inns:, str: rate etc etc.Kapil's big innings played on the avg: was atleast a level above to those of Imran's if we take into account factors like bowling quality,percentage of team score,home/abroad,single handed effort,match situation etc etc( this i am saying after having analysed each of their big inns in detail) .For instance take Kapil's 2 best inns of 129 vs SAF & 100* vs WI. Such inns are those even specialist batsmen like Sachin would badly wish to have in their kits.For these reasons I can't rate Imran at not more than 90% a test batsman to Kapil. In bowling too Kapil's avg: of 29.64 need to evaluated based on longevity,work density(first 88 tests in a period of just 8 years & 5 months) , lack of support bowling strength thru out his career.Kapil bowled his first 21000 balls(Imran bowled only some 19500 balls in tests) at 28.86 avg:. Kapil's avg: & str: rate was 27.7 & 54 respectively after 64 tests.But after his knee injury & surgery he just didn't take rest & played straight away which resulted in fetching only 64 wkts at around 35 avg: in next 26 tests(a case of placing country before self).I would mention this as an effect of 'work load' . Kapil had the likes of Binny,Madan lal,Sandhu, Sastri in company where as Imran had Wasim,Waqar,Iqbal Qasim,Qadir,Sarfraz etc ect all thru his career. All in all I imagine as to how Kapil's figures would have ended , had he bowled only some 19500 balls in a long span of 21 years in the company of bowlers like Wasim,Waqar etc etc(just like Imran did). I am sure his avg; would have been a lot better. So even with out advantages in factors ' work density' & 'support bowling strength' Kapil was 22.81/28.86 =79.03 % a bowler that Imran was. I think had Kapil got the advantages in these 2 factors he would have easily avg:ed around 26.85.Around 85% .Means, in that case his stats in various countries would also get improved in varying degrees.After that ,if we give more weightage to 'str: rate' & preference to performance in best team country(Westindies), performance in abroad countries, performance in home country in that order ,Kapil's performance would be worth much more than 85%. Now , even if we neglect all the above said matters w.r.t bowling,i don't rate Imran as high as once used to , because of the unfair tampering tactics he used for boosting his performances.On the contrary imagine Kapil doing the same & its effects on his stats. Coming to one dayers,Kapil was the best all rounder of the FAB4 of 80s.In batting where str: rate carries a lot of weightage he convincingly outscores Imran.In bowling, where econ: rate carries lot of weigtage , he had better econ: rate & longevity when compared to Imran , though both of them had almost similar avg:. And in WI & vs WI Kapil was the convincingly better. Another noticeble factor in one day bowling is that Imran played along with much better than or near calibre one day bowlers like Wasim,Waqar,Sarfraz,Qadir etc where as Kapil played along with Binny, Madanlal,Sandhu etc etc who were convincingly inferior to him.And who can say with out a doubt that Khan didn't bring his 'notorious unfair partner' in one dayers too. He was a brilliant captain too in his own right( his achievements need to be taken in the context of weak team especially bowling wise at his disposal) & a far better all round fielder to Imran. Imran was only a slightly better captain to Kapil when we consider the calibre bowlers he had at his disposal. why above Botham: In both batting & bowling in tests , Botham has slightly superior avg:s to Kapil, which gives the impression that he was the better all rounder.But Botham's bowling has 2 parts to it. In the first 4 years or so he was outstanding.But then he was in the company of great bowlers Willis & Underwood & he benefitted the most from such great bowling unit.But once Willis & Underwood retired & then thrust with the resposnsibility of spearheading the bowling attack Botham became a pale shadow of himself.He was downgoing so rapidly that had he bowled over 27000 balls in test cricket (Kapil's count) instead of the 21000+ he actually did, his avg: would have dropped a lot even further.More over Botham was a pale shadow as a bowler vs Windies & more importantly in Windies(best team of their time) which counts against him a lot. Kapil raised his bowling to great levels than normal against Windies. In test batting too people often project Botham's 14 100s to Kapil's 8 100s to claim that he was the better test batsman. Botham has slighly better bat avg: too.But Kapil was some 2 levels aggressive than Botham with a str: rate of 80.71 to Botham's 60.71.While Botham was a pale shadow of himelf vs Windies & in Windies , Kapil maintained his normal standrads or even went a little up further if we take all aspects into account.Botham didn't play in Pakistan too which was the 2nd best team of that time & bowling wise rivalled even Windies.More over vs India, the 2nd last team of his time(bowling wise very weak), he had great avg:. Even in big scores too,if we dig a little deep, we can see that despite such apparently convincing difference in no: of 100s, there is much more to it http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/9163.html? class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;runsmin1=73;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=batting;view=innings http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/30028.html? class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;runsmin1=73;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=batting;view=innings From the above data we can see that despite such difference in count of 100s,there was nothing much to separate them in >73 scores.If any in runs/inns value Botham was better.But Kapil's level of dominance was some 2 levels above that of Botham. Just as in normal case , here too Kapil scored nearly 4 100s vs WI where as Botham has a solitary 81 that too at home. And against the 2nd last team India, Botham boosted his numbers. He didn't play in PAK either against Imran version 2.0 in the 80s. Now in one dayers, if we go thru stats Kapil was lot better in both batting & bowling.He won a world cup too.He was much bettercaptain than Botham.And in over all fielding too Kapil was better where as Botham was a slip specialist.All in all, I would say Kapil was better to Botham in all disciplines(i won't argue with any one who places Botham as a slightly better test batsman.For me even that is in favour of Kapil). why above Miller : Miller only played some 55 tests.Virtually didn't play any in Asia.So that is a big 'if' when we consider the fact that many players like Sehwag,Warner etc etc are/were so towering in their comfort zones but pedestrian in alien conditions.So in longevity & variety of conditions etc he lags a lot behind Kapil. 4. Ian Botham ; Better test batsman to Imran.Both Imran & Botham played along with great bowlers but Imran's was slightly better, Botham had lot more work density compared to Imran.And Botham too seems to have not resorted to unfair tactics. In one day batting Imran was lot better.But in bowling I would give it to Botham.Imran was batter captain where as Botham was better fielder 5. Imran khan Your thoughts & choices...
  25. TOP 5 all rounders of all time

    Virat needs to rectify his '13' avg: in ENG.That is not enough .It would be ok if he can lift that up to about at least 28 eventually.Just like Ponting who avg:ed only 25 in IND, but still a great player because he ticked all other boxes.Ponting's record in other sub continental countries are really good. So too is Virat in other alien countries bar ENG.

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