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  1. What works for these proper sloggers is ball coming down without much movement swing or seam . Look at the performance of Rohit, Guptill , Bairstow , Finch in tests and compare this with short formats . Since red ball moves more than white ball , these sloggers become bunnies in tests. That's why a bowler who moves the ball with accuracy by swing or seam has a definite place in shorter format . That's my point . Again i said Chahar is the leader among the 2ND RUNG of India bowlers , did not say he is the best of India bowlers . Its not Chahar's fault if the 2ND RUNG quality is piss poor and we do not have even one bowler who is 60% of our first team in quality and within that poor quality he seems to be the leader. What selectors can do in that scenario, they will have to pick him till we find someone who really shows skills to play at international level. Would like to know who are those bowlers who will not be hit out of the park in SENA (excuding Bhumra, Shami, Bhuvi ) and who should replace Chahar ?
  2. ICF has too much fixation about speed numbers . No batsman is worried much by just pace nowadays . Also a bowler just having pace will never survive in shorter formats . Just observe yesterday's PAK vs AUS match . 2 20 something kids were bowling 140+ most of the times , but what was the result ? Have been observing lot of abuses in ICF when Deepak Chahar gets selected for shorter format . For me he is the best T20 bowler among the second rung of India bowlers. Not because he bowls 140+ but due to swing initially and thoughtful bowling at the end . He will too go for runs in some matches but that is part of the nature of T20 game . Mind you we have not seen him play in helpful conditions much. But he has the tools and can improve . For taking wickets we need these kind of bowlers and most matches are won when you take wickets early. Porel for me also has a better chance of succeeding - he seems to have a knack of picking up wickets though his speed has come down. There are some pluses he has ,compared to others - - Has height and hence bounce advantage . - Quite young yet pretty accurate & consistent . - Can use bouncer as a run denying ball . - Seem to change the pace of deliveries and batsmen seem to play early . Just watch his wickets in U-19 WC. He is a kid , Got back after severe injury . But he must be backed . Only thing he lacks right now is pace . If he can bowl 132 -135 range , he will be good and then will play for India . I think he will come to that range in 1-2 years time unless injury has played spoilsport. thedeliveries a, hs seams the vball - Poor
  3. Did not see anything great in his captaincy in IPL to form an opinion that he will be great . Of the younger lot , Rahane's Test captaincy was good .
  4. He is very good bet for LOI. Very good player of spin & even plays well vs medium pace stuff. Hope TM & Selectors give him #4 spot in 50 overs matches . Do not think fully ready for Tests . There is no need to hurry . Rahane is doing decently . Let him show his improvements in A games in overseas tours .
  5. Do not understand what this selectors doing ? Deodher trophy gave them a chance to select best 3 teams without ant restriction of state or zone. . They should have used this to select players who should be in contention for India. Instead they are selecting bowlers who played for India and have been rejected now due poor show. I.e Dhaval,Unadcutter, Kaul . Horrible bunch of selectors with no vision as to who they think are India probables.If their thinking is that the above are domestic performers ,then they can still play in Ranji . Since they cannot be India probables any more, when you select A,B,C teams of India these teams should include as many probables as possibles , not proven failures.
  6. He was a tremendous new ball swing bowler . Certainly very good in his first 4-5 years . Nowadays batsmen face up to pace much better than earlier , it is the swing which is the issue with almost all top batsmen of current era. Seems too much obsession with PACE in ICF . What matters is skill set to get wickets rather than just pace . Good pace with great control over swing /seam is the best combo for a very successful career. One can check records of all past masters who took record number of wickets . May be they were out & out pacers only for 3-4 years at the most
  7. Me too think so. Do not think a 16 year old would have developed that kind of muscles in his forearms and torso. Looks > 19 - 19+ for me .
  8. He had 2 types of game . One that will make you bored to death , Second had beautiful strokes with grace particularly his on drives from long on to square leg . Also his cover driving . But won;t say a very good player of extreme pace but a much better player against swing..
  9. Saini & Prasidh - Injury issues . One change i wish at this time is Mavi in place of Shardul ( again assuming Mavi 100% fit)
  10. Just the fact that from basically in dipping bowler , now his armory has lot more weapons well mastered . the quickness with which he makes changes in his game to overcome deficiencies just proves that.
  11. Any idea which match or tournament ?. Desperate to hear positive news about him.
  12. If youngsters are going to get only 5 games which idiot will dare to start hittting from ball 1 ? He will try to remain not out !
  13. Yes that's the problem . Its not easy to succeed straight away at top level at such young age without a decent domestic experience especially in overseas tours. . Not sure how many of ICFERS have a realistic assessment of that . Few low scores and MC, BC , rona dhona will start making fun . At a level below , they look good but then few chinks will get exposed at top level ruthlessly. Then they need to go back again and rectify it and come back again. Fact that he has made it to test team is due to his exceptional talent and all in Indian set up believe in that. Am sure he will do decently in SC countries but i would be happy if he shows ability to stay in overseas conditions where he will be tested with bit of seam movement , bounce , pace and relentless accurate pace attack. Even if does not score a lot but looks decent and is able to stick it out in his first 8-10 tests , he would serve very well for next 10 years . If i am not wrong , even Babar Azam had a similar journey. Was piling up mountain of runs at U19 level. Could not make it big at top level for 3 + years. But then he worked on his weaknesses and has become the player that he is now.
  14. Leaving apart this series as Rohit is already confirmed as opener, better if Selectors for future series 1) first look at Mayank & Shaw - who were supposed to be first choice openers post Aus series 2) Second in the list should be Eashwaran who has 4 +years of Domestic game experience and a proper opener. 3) Then could be Gill . Have some long term thinking and then earmark the best possible guys for each spot . These selectors somehow seem to pick players without that strain of thought . Even when they make a good selection they do not stick to it.
  15. Agree 110%. In T20 a power hitter in the middle order is more crucial than pure batsman . Would pick Dubey ahead of Pandey, Gill in MO as most of the time you need to go bang bang from ball 1 which those 2 cannot .. Also remember , Bangladesh will have mostly spinners & spinning all rounders in their team. My 11 would be :- Rohit, KL, VK, Iyer , Hardik,Dubey, Pant , Krunal, Jaddu/ Rahul Chahar, Bhuvi Saini
  16. Sehwag was a hand eye co ordination player . Never moved much vs pace . But had the uncanny ability to hit boundaries to stock balls which others would defend. If its good length/ back of the length ball on off stump , he would force it off through cover even if it was on middle /off stump. If its short of length , he would cut it fiercely through point . If it is aimed at body , he would use upper cuts . He did not play attacking shots vs bouncer but had a game to survive bouncers . Either he will duck or if its at rib cage he would tickle it for a single . Against spin was a beast.
  17. We should be conservative in our expectations . I have a fear he may not be that consistent at the top in tests if i see his A scores . Either gets big score or goes early. . Game against seam/swing movement & patience ,ability to stay put against relentless accurate stuff at pace on or around off stump - not known much And if initially scores do not come , he may suffer from low confidence . And if Shaw who already played as opener comes back , will Gill get opener slot? There are 2 ways he should be eased into Tests before making him an opener in Overseas tests :- 1. Play in the middle order -(may not happen quickly as both Rahane & Vihari have scored. ) 2. Play as opener in India before overseas tour. If Test place does not open up , should be given some game time at least in 50 overs as opener as both Dhawan & Rohit need not play every game in meaningless bi laterals. Am sure he can do well in 50 overs . Confidence of that can help in getting ready for Test opening slot. Kid needs to be in the scheme of things and should get some international exposure at top level. Some weakness will come to the fore early in career which will help in making him a better batter when those are rectified . Me thinks his performance will be 50 Overs opener > Test MO > 50 Over M O (mainly due to much less balls faced and match situation dictating boom boom or bust play) > Test opener ( esp. overseas matches) at least in first 12-18 months .
  18. Is he not playing as Opener in all recent IND A games and making lots of runs ? Even MSK is saying GIll will be considered for both opening & middle order ...
  19. But why not Mayank & Gill as openers? Also this experimentation would have been good from long term point of view . Rather than Rohit failing in 2 tests abroad and then you give chance to these youngsters directly in overseas conditions , why not introduce them in a home series and help them settle .
  20. Better to be in A team ,he would not have played in 11. Can improve further by playing in A team and be ready for overseas tour in place of Umesh.
  21. Righto !. This final stage guy Always screwed India Bigtime
  22. Point was about both Hardik & Dube playing in indian pitches with 2 proper pacers + 2 spinners and possibility of going with such a combination for WC 23 which will be in India . In the combination you have mentioned above they always used 6th part timer who is spinner. Yuvi, Raina , Kedar and not a military medium guy. I do not see both Hardik & Dubey in the 11 as :- 1. Do not think we will be better off with #6 & #7 both are not your best pacers . In fact cannot expect Dubey to bowl even 3 overs in indian conditions. 2. India always went with 6th bowler who bowled few overs of spin. The condition of the pitch , after being used for the season will always favour a spinner rather than MM bowler. 3. If Dubey cannot be sure of bowling then is he going to be considered only for his batting? I think india has far better batsmen than him likes of Gill , Iyer , KL ahead of him. I am 110% sure our 6th part time bowler will be a spinner in SC rather than a pacer , hence selectors will try Rana, Axar, Jaddu , Vihari (??) , Hooda for that spot . Rather than going with hardik & Dubey , it would be better to take a gamble and go with 2 pacers + 2 spinners + hardik (5 bowlers only) in some critical matches with one additional pure batsman hoping everyone will bowl 10 overs . But that cannot be the team most of the time unless Iyer somehow learns to bowl 3 overs of half decent spin. .
  23. Agree. Based on his exploits in WI tour , he should be top contender for #4. There is no doubt about his game vs spin. Little doubt is only about his game in SENA conditions vs quality pace . Hope he has tightened up that part of his game . Also love to see him able to bowl 3-4 decent overs as a buffer if India goes with just 5 bowlers. Such a combo would make a strong team.
  24. So on those slow , low used pitches in WC ,selectors & TM will go for 2 pacers and 2 medium pacers !! Lets just keep a tab , In how many 50 over matches in India from this date till Dec 2022 , India will go with 2 pacers + 2 medium pacers . Bet you , not even one .
  25. That shows that he is still in scheme of things of Selectors and that is what matters .
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