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  1. 2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

    @Muloghonto disagrees. bowlers in 70s-80s used to bowl 95 mph whole day

          Its all exaggeration and fantasy. The benefit they had at that time was almost till 83 hardly any good protective gears and no restriction on

          bumper barrage. So naturally batsmen were afraid once a batsmen got hit . 

          Fact that WI at that time had a battery of fast bowlers  and played 4 of them in every match made them lethal. 

           I do think only 2-3 guys  were express or intimidating like Thommo, Holding , Marshall and  guys like  Shoib , Brett Lee of our times  easily matched

          them both in terms of pace & intimidation.

           You can clearly make that out from whatever clips of yesteryear  bowling  we have .

     

     

     


  2. 3 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

    As talented as Pant is, he shouldn't feel entitled to his place in the side.. There are at least 2 more young keepers in Kishan and Samson waiting for their LOI call up.. Time for him to pull up his socks

      Samson should be the one to be tested in case of Pant failure in T20


  3. 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

    Picked a bunch of misfits for T20. You rather want Gill or Nitish Ran over Pandey

      Gill is not a T20 player in MO as of now .  He should be tried in 50 overs 


  4. If you look at the best middle order(4,5,6)  , we see 3 types of players who have done very well :- 

     

    1. batsmen with very good defense (never easily gets out) , good /excellent runner and rotates the strike well and a gap finder  rather than Big Power hitter :-   Likes of Bevan, Dravid, Miyandad , Sanga , Mahela

    2. batsmen with good defense , good/excellent runner and rotates the strike well and has power game to change gears  :-   Likes of  MSD, Inzy(running is exception) , Richie Richardson , Stokes , Yuvi, 

    3. Power hitters - Botham, Kapil, Buttler , Razzak, 

     

    What it shows , middle order ( 4 & 5) can accommodate first 2 types of players . They need not be big Power hitters . 

    Now selectors should identify who among the probables fit the above 2 category . 

    Players as of now may not have all these qualities but if they show signs of majority of  these skills we need to back such players for 4 & 5. 

    AT 4 have category 1 type of players :-  Gill, KL, Ruturaj Gaikwad , Mayank , Iyer (lacks consistency) - can be contenders

    AT 5  have category  2 type players :-  Pant, Samson, Hardik -  can be contenders 

     

    Selectors should opt for a guy with good technique and good defence at 4 . Find out the best 2 for no.4 , rest of those tried at 4  can now be considered at No.5 . KL & Iyer can easily make No. 5 if they do not come at top 2 at no.4 if they improve their consistency as they have the game to change gears with big shots .

    From the pool at No.5 , find the top 2 best fits for No.5  and guys who do not come within top 2 at no.5 can be contenders at no.6 . Pant & Hardik can easily  make it No. 6  if they do not make the top 2 best fits at No.5 .

    No.7 should be a spinning All rounder /Power hitter for India - Jadeja , Abhishek , Sundar could be contenders.

     

    To check properly  best fits for 4, 5, & 6 will take atleast 2-3 years even if we start now. 

    Selectors need to

    1. identify the best pool for 4, 5 & 6 - atleast 2 players to start with for each of these position. Make it clear the to the players for which position hey are primarily looking them for . That will help players to think about the way they should aspire to bat. 

    2.  Give them at least  10 games on trot at a particular position. 

    3. Push no. 4  to number 3 & 5 to No.4  if match situation allows that  else they will never bat in most of the matches . 

    4. If someone does not do well that well at 4 , test him at 5  if he has the game to change gears with big shots . 

    5. If not the best fit at 5 , test them at no.6 .

     Your pool should be about 7 to 10 max for these 3 positions and not trying 15-18 guys randomly. 

     

    My first picks for No. 4 would be - Mayank, Gill , Ruturaj .

    No. 5 -  KL, Samson, Hardik ( want him to play long and become a permanent top 6 batter) so that we will have an all rounder in top 6 .

    No. 6 - Pant 

     

     


  5. On 7/17/2019 at 9:41 PM, vijay50 said:

    Give Shreyas Iyer 40 odi games continuously at no.4 or 5 and then see where he stands. Iam sure he will do better than Rahul.

    If you give 40matches,to find where he stands ,when you will test other contenders of no.4 spot. 15-20 max which includes atleast 2 tours of SENA should be used to make decision. With that you would have checked atleast 3 most probable guys for no.4


  6. On 7/12/2019 at 7:29 PM, Cricketics said:

    Shaw is too talented to not be given a proper long run as an opener for India in all the formats. Same for Shubman at 4. 

     

    Shaw, the moment he is fit, needs to play.

     

    In terms of bowling, a lot went write for our seamers, but our spinners performance will be questioned. Next World Cup is in India, so need to have the best of the best. Players from all over the world now play in India regularly and are getting used to facing spin bowling with ease. So it's high time we have the best of the best ready, and not settle with any mediocre spinners thinking they will do well in India.

     

    Kishan also needs to play regularly for India A so it can push Pant to do better, as we need healthy competition for all the batting slots. 

     

     

          A bit of keeping effort , Samson would be better bet than kishan .


  7. 37 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    so far of the 2 televised matches , only Gaikwad & Gill looked good among batters . 

     

      I was thinking Vihari could be that one of top 6 main batsmen who can bowl 3-4 overs of spin. 

      But looking at his innings he does not seem to have the game where he can change gears . 

      I think  he could be a non-starter for that position by the looks of it. 

    Lets see.


  8. On 7/14/2019 at 1:53 PM, Vijy said:

    too many openers around. current opening pair of dhawan-rohit with backups in KLR, mayank and shaw. only possibility is for gaekwad to bat in middle order but he has zero experience there. in list A and ODIs, opening is the easiest. in comparison, batting at 4-6 is much harder.

    This guy plays spin very well If opener spot not vacant, should be tried @4 or 5


  9. 5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

    He was in as a temporary replacement. Now India has no choice but to prepare for 2023. They can't continue with this "experience crap".

    Important for Selectors &TM to consider is his bowling useful in WC23 in Indian conditions or in flat wickets? If not then he cannot be our no.4 for WC23 as a pure batter. We will much better options than him. Hope they do not make the mistake of considering for 2-3 years & then deciding his bowling not good enough in SC conditions.


  10. 11 hours ago, urnotserious said:

    Today, everyone gets hit by power hitters. Rabada was a flop in the WC, Archer got tonked for 15 yesterday and Starc went for 73 against us. 

     

    Just because they may get hit is no reason to call them average or below average when even the very best are leaking runs. 

     

    No more testing Saini. If he is bowling 150+, he should be in the team over Bhuvi or Shami. Period.

     

    There are maybe 8-10 bowlers in the world ATM bowling at that pace, why should we waste him on these "A" matches. But guess what, that's exactly what we'll do and then bring him in when he is hurt or post injury, bowling in low 140s and claim he was never any good. 

     

    Stupid Indian selectors.

     

    11 hours ago, urnotserious said:

    Today, everyone gets hit by power hitters. Rabada was a flop in the WC, Archer got tonked for 15 yesterday and Starc went for 73 against us. 

     

    Just because they may get hit is no reason to call them average or below average when even the very best are leaking runs. 

     

    No more testing Saini. If he is bowling 150+, he should be in the team over Bhuvi or Shami. Period.

     

    There are maybe 8-10 bowlers in the world ATM bowling at that pace, why should we waste him on these "A" matches. But guess what, that's exactly what we'll do and then bring him in when he is hurt or post injury, bowling in low 140s and claim he was never any good. 

     

    Stupid Indian selectors.

    Never said do not select but do not go overboard like out of this world ..  like stuff based on this opposition. Both will have to learn quite a bit before we say ... Out of this world. We also need to check how quality players work against same short rising ball like aus. Eng players before going overboard. Also need to check what options they have if batters attack their this stock ball the short rising ball ?


  11. On 7/14/2019 at 4:27 PM, R!TTER said:

    Most teams have 6 or 7 not just 5, you can count any of the top 6 teams & they all have more bowling options. None of our top or middle order bowl, that's why playing so many WK was stupid especially the one who dropped Taylor!

          Must be Pant !!!?:p:


  12. 7 hours ago, Amit228 said:

    Watched Saini nd khaleel bowling... very encouraging signs with bhuvi being innocuous nd trundling nd with shami's deplorable death bowling credentials.. good to have two pacers in reckoning who were making west Indian batsmen hog nd hop around.  Saini's pace is intimidating..good bounce.. nd he seems to have worked on his yorker as well.. sans a good yorker he was being carted around in ipl.. khaleel off late was giving signs that he has slowed down... Now he is getting into his mattel.. he is more about seam than swing.. he beats both edge of the bat... Needs to do this on regular basis..with express pace...  nd this will bode well for indian cricket going into future.

    We need to lower our expectation. They will get hammered in death overs along the way. Let's just take it in our chin and hope they will tighten up their death bowling further. 

    Real test is against better power hitters.

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