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  1. Thing to like about Akaash - ability to swing the ball in to RH , saw some balls moving in even in his 2nd spell  i think vs japan.

    I have not seen such in dippers among young  lefties recently  . In addition bowls every ball with maximum effort and gets good bounce .

    Can turnout better than Khaleel based on skill sets on view , unless some coach will try to make him a swing bowler. 

  2. We do not know some of the tactics may be specific to some opposing teams in this WC. I thought India used lot of short stuff against SL . 

    My initial thought was they are over doing it , but as match went on it was clear SL batsmen were not comfortable when ball was aimed at body but were at ease when it was pitched  up or on length . They were playing good shots .  Best case study was Rashantha . In hindsight now looks like a planned strategy.  They may continue the same tactic against Asian teams .

    Interesting to see their lengths to AUS , WI , ENG  teams . That will tell us their skill sets with  other lengths and the problems they pose.



  3. 16 hours ago, The Realist said:

    Kohli & his man boobed Cheerleader don't believe in young players. Not one talent has been unearthed or backed under their drunken (with power & alcohol) regime.

           There is no need to unearth any talents by VK or TM  . Selectors  have identified the talents and are including them in the 14-15 squad. 

           But they are either benched series after series or played in 1 match and then thrown out . 

           If some one is performing then he is shunted up & down to favour a few buddies . 


  4. 19 minutes ago, RajBan said:

    I will say give Pant a go at 6 if he is fit. 


    Not that Pandey has done anything wrong and deserves a shot, but he has been inconsistent in past whenever given a chance and somehow feel that he may have missed the bus. He is already 30 and we should look to invest in Pant from a long term planning standpoint. Pandey can still be in the squad though and be the backup as far as ODI is concerned. Also I think he should not be in the T20 squad anymore.

          Above team what we expect and not one might wish. Reason for going for Manish is he played last match, looks in good form this season , KL keeping better than Pant in 2 matches,Iffy kind of form Pant has shown. A Failure would further damage Pant. He should slug it out till IPL and iron out issues & have a good IPL. Out of team for few months is OK, but once comes back should score that much that no body can throw him out. 

  5. 33 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

    What would be your playing XI for the New Zealand ODI series?

    Here's mine:

    1. Rohit Sharma
    2. Prithvi Shaw
    3. Virat Kohli
    4. Shreyas Iyer
    5. KL Rahul
    6. Manish Pandey
    7. Ravindra Jadeja
    8. Kuldeep Yadav
    9. Mohammad Shami
    10. Navdeep Saini
    11. Jasprit Bumrah


    More or less similar XI to the Australia series. If Kohli has decided that Rahul should be in the middle order then he needs to give him a long run in that spot and not keep shuffling him from the middle order to the opening slot when it becomes available and then back to the middle order. Prithvi Shaw should come into the XI in place of Dhawan.

    Yes. This would be the line up

  6. 8 hours ago, Forward Defence said:

    So we'll not have Ishant who is in the best form of his life in a country where he has put in some very good spells. He clearly is our best New ball bowler now alongside Bumrah. Big loss.

    Now only Shami and Jadeja are the ones with the experience of playing a test match in Newzealand. 

        I see injuries to Dhawan & Ish positively as an opportunity else this TM will never test any newcomers . 

        We need to find a dashing opener and it is high time TM checks Shaw in that place  for T20. If Dhawan is fit , They will always pick him for every match T20 , ODI .  

          Also we need a pacy quick for Aus Test series . If Saini does not play in NZ tests, he would be going to Aus without any Test match experience . Bowling away from India in tests will provide a good experience to him. So at least we will have 1 pacer who will be 4th seamer with some Test match exposure . 


  7. 20 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

    Why would you pigeonhole someone with FC average of 52 and SR of 81 as not a Test prospect? The 202*(210) for India A vs Aussies in 2017 should have got him a Test spot but his ‘attitude is suspect’ was the excuse at that time.

          Just put forth the fact that , he is not in contention based on selection we are seeing for tests. Was here ever even in 15 member test squad any time recently . In tests bowlers have the chance to  subject  such players to relentless barrage  till they throw in the towel . Finding it tough playing 4-5 overs in 50 overs shows lot .. lot needs to get right to get into test side that too with the competition around..

  8. 6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

    As some said Steve Waugh survived without having a hook shot.Iyer has done nothing wrong for him not to get more chances.

        Good thing is he is not a contender in tests . In one dayers you can survive . The thing is you need to develop some scoring shots without getting out . 

        Also they cannot bowl lot many bouncers in an over . 

        Since he is not good at pull/hook , he should continue what he did yesterday .  Play shots on the off side . 

         Whether its the shortish deliveries or yorkers , you can  play shots on off side .with the stance he is taking now. 

  9. 1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

    How many home ODI series wins we have against Australia in our history? Australia has always been a big challenge for us even at home in ODIs.

         Playing vs Aus  top side and doing well against them is a big learning curve for the youngsters . 

         Just take the case of Iyer , fellow was subjected to heavy bombardment by 3 quality fast bowlers and that must have showed him where he is at international level. We also saw first glimpses of a plan to counter this weakness by him which he did not address for the last 2-3 years . He must have thought that the game he had was enough to succeed  at highest level.    Now it is very clear if he does not come up with a plan to score against this short stuff his career will be over as every good team  will use the same strategy. 

  10. 15 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

    Thats why I said the magic word in caps - CONTINUITY....all this unsolicited analysis is only useful assuming the captain has matured and starts exhibiting consistency in his decision-making. If he doesn't enter the upcoming tournaments with a settled squad, chances of success are slim.

          For that need a good selectors who include players based on potential with long term outlook. No favourites of TM. 

  11. 6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

    WTF! Pant has just started bto flourish in ODIs. Check last WI series. He has barely played 16 ODIs.

         This TM does not bahave like other teams' .  Alex  Carry on both the matches got out with bad shots & in a way gifted the match,yet Aussies will not drop him. Infact is THE keeper for short formats for them. When the same happens with Pant ..... .       ????  Another case is Hetmeyer.  How many times he threw away his wicket . Yet WI includes him in matches. They just drop him for a match or 2 but he is alwys persisted. 

  12.  Think WI & AUS  series were positive .

    There seems to be some answers  found for our issues . 

    1. What is the best combination for India -?   I think these series have shown that 3 out & out pacers with very good skills at death bowling is the go to option.

    2. Looks like we have found a right  3rd  pacer who can bowl at  any stage of the match in Navdeep Saini.  THIS IS the BIGGEST PLUS for me . His performance in first 3 50 overs against a side like AUS was very good , needs some more work re: control 

    3.  With KL keeping wickets and with PANT , its almost  certain  we need not endure the torture of MSD any more . ANOTHER BIG PLUS .

    4. One of the slots in the lower middle seem to  have been filled up - KL at 5 if Dhawan  maintains his form throughout  till 2023. But personally i want a change .

    5. We have a very good opening pair in Rohit & KL if needed . So one of the opener slot is filled in when needed by KL .

    6. No.4  - Though Iyer not cemented his place  ,there were positive signals esp. the way he approached last ODI with a counter strategy against Short stuff. 

    What we need now is- 

    1. Identify second opener -  Selectors should bring in Shaw .

    2. Alternative #4 for 50 overs - Test Gill esp if KL moves to opening slot , so that Iyer can move to 5. Also if Iyer fails at 4 gill comes in. 

    3.  Help Pant to get to the groove  by giving him some matches in atleast one of the shorter version till he finds back his confidence with better shot selection & execution. 

    4. Develop 2nd seam all rounder - Test Dubey 

    5. Find an alternative for Chahal -

    6. Drop - Kedar & Shardul .

    7. Drop Dhawan from T20 and play Shaw at the top .





  13. 5 hours ago, express bowling said:

    Barring Shami in the first ODI, all the 3 Indian quicks have bowled slower than their usual in this ODI series.


    It is understandable for Bumrah, making a comeback.


    What about Saini and Shami  ?

         2 such high octane matches with only 1 day rest . They are human ,

         Just see the face of Cummins today that too in a cooler B'lore and that too bowling in the evening .

         If it was us guys , we would not even walk i think. 


  14. 2 hours ago, zen said:

    A thread to track how these 3 talented youngsters are groomed to achieve success at international level. 


    Gill (current age 20): A good prospect. I saw him in the ODI series in NZ where he looked like a deer caught in front of the headlights. Probably needs a plan to transition into international cricket. Needs to work on the mental aspects of adjusting to international cricket and expectations. Fielding can improve too .... In 2 ODIs so far, averages 8 with a SR of 50 


    Pant (current age 22): A WK AR. Has played some international games in all 3 formats.  Looks at ease in international cricket as he has already hit  test 100s in Eng and Aus as a WK batsman. Appears to be a rare talent who can shape into a good impact player in the mold of Jayasuriya, Gilchrist, Klusener, etc. (Don't expect every youngster to be some version of a Kohli or a Tendulkar. That would be like expecting every dish to taste the same. Much like cuisine, cricket needs different type of players) Comes to the crease as if he is already batting on 100 (again a refreshing change). Has only played 16 intermittent ODIs but many unrealistically expect him to perform like someone who has played 350 games. Instead of being given a consistent run, has been in and out of the squad. Needs to improve his keeping  .... Averages 44 in 11 tests. Has a SR of 71. More importantly has hit test 100s in Eng and Aus 


    Shaw (current age 20): Has been drafted in the test squad but appears to be a multi format player. Plays aggressive cricket too. Should be a regular prospect in tests at least but has suffered injuries. Needs to work on his fielding .... Averages 118 in 2 tests, which are scored at a SR of 94



    These guys are at a stage where a consistent run in international cricket could help them shape into better cricketers. Have to see how India and fans (including fans of the "old" players whom these 3 replace) treat these talented youngsters. Within the next one to two years, ideally,  you would want these players to be regulars in the Indian team. Though ideally they should  already be in the scheme of things for T20s. 


    Let's hope for the best for these talented youngsters. 


          I dearly hope new seletion commitee takes a punt on Shaw and includes him in T20 WC  15 side

          Hope he replaces injured Dhawan for NZ T20.

  15. I would not take today's performance as pitch was griping and there was turn . 

    His problem is SENA where power hitters just line up and hammer him as most of balls dot do anything , no dry pitches and he has to dart. . 

    Foe such conditions he needs to find some good defensive options . One could be a yorker kind of delivery which just dips & lands on  batting crease something Santner does and one Irish guy does it well -Dockrell i think.   

  16. 1 hour ago, velu said:


    looks like dont have legside game vs pace

          He does not have control while playing hook , hardly plays pull. Hence he had no attacking shots in the on side vs Shot balls. 

          Today , i thought it was a good change of plan by him .  By staying a bit on leg side , he opened up the off side where he could play shots with more control like the ramp. lofted shots over the in field over covers rather than his onside shots . 

          It gives good advantage  for him since :- 

           1. By moving a bit to leg, if bowlers try to follow his body , the ball very well become wide  if they go more towards leg.

            2. If they stay around off , he can ramp, or slash .

            3. You cannot bowl all 6 short balls , hence next delivery  tried by bowlers would be yorkers . That stance of little towards leg also enables to give full face of the bat  for such shots . 

             Going forward this is what bowlers will try against him with this stance -   

                When he moves towards leg side  , bowl wide full deliveries outside of the offside with change in pace .

             Want to see  what counter strategy he will come up with .

             Overall  liked today's approach. 



  17. 26 minutes ago, Vilander said:

    read the topic and infer - do you have reading difficulty ?

         In the entire topic in this thread , none has used the word ego  . 

         Yet to see any sound bites from him , where he sounded arrogant so far. last interview he has said about his  preferred position as all along he has been an opener. 

          Guy has done 1 down, 3 down , 4 down , 5 down , W Keeping , whatever was asked that's been done.

         Even in field one cannot see those traits .

         His issues are  on field - insecurity  and off filed  - looks to live his life  like Yuvi used to be. That should not be an issue as long as he delivers on the filed .

         Would be good if you can point to any sources , links  as this is not seemed to have been noticed by most followers . 



  18. 22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

    His runs odi will mess kohli brain again n u might see him opening in t20 n kl in middle

    Suspect he will play Dhawan at the top & Rahul at 4 in T20 WC.

    This has been happening ever since

    With his attitude issues going i highly doubt that they ll select him

    Optimistic this fellow will come out of it and will serve India well. A rare breed . 

    Strongly agreed 

    He hasnt even been selected for india a so i dont see that happening. Only chance he has is by setting ipl on fire and the chances are less since he plays for rcb

    May not be now , but thts should be the direction .  The idea here is to test him with international quality bowling in T20 and if he has the ability to play attacking shots off Pace , you will have a gem for No.5 in 50 overs for the future . Lifts spinners beautifully and a leftie to boot  .

    I get frustrated when i watch indian batsmen are not able to maul spinners like Agar, Zampa .  Just imagine  if they show spunk to attack and get  1-2 boundaries in every over of them  and then may play singles , what would be fate of Aus bowling ? 

    We need some one to take on these kind of spinners at 4 , 5,6  esp. 5 & 6  and in my mind he is one of that guys . Just hope he is good against Pace too. 




    The only problem i have with that is no 6th bowler n thats asking for trouble

    Anyways when hardik return he ll take his time in regards to bowling. Had saini been injured yesterday we wud have had 10 overs of mayhem and that can happen any day. 6th bowling option is a must

         Yes thats a concern and we do not have solution right now. 

         I believe play 6 proper Bats + 4 attacking bowlers whatever kind + 1 all rounder .

         AND  make someone among top six to develop bowling atleast 2-5 overs .    

  19. 23 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

    thats why he is someone who can bat at a good rate even with 20 overs left.....manish, rahane, rayudu, shankar cud never do that 

    shud have gotten gill ahead of iyer....was never a fan of iyer but now that he is given a chance be fair to him ....be fair to anyone

    Shaw shud already be in mix with t20s but he also has himself to blame but then there is samson as well


    Also i dont know how will they get all these. They still dnt knw if rahul is their backup opener or middle order. Coz if KL is backup opener Shaw cant get a look in. We still havent gotten over manish pandey 


         Selectors should 

           1. Drop Dhawan from T20 .

            2. Play Shaw as opener in T20.

            3. Only 1 out Rohit & Virat should play  in a T20  bilateral match .

            4. Play  Padikkal in a T20 in MO .

             5.  Play Gill at 4 in 50 Overs . 

              Ideally looks like  -  4- Gill , 5 - KL & 6- Pant  in one dayers         


  20. Please think why Quality pacers go for astronomical  bids in every auction around the world .  they and quality all rounders are the rare species .

    You cannot produce real quality pacers by the Dozen. 

    There is nothing more exciting than seeing an extremely express bowler terrorizing batsmen in a cricket ground . While watching them you as a spectator  will get a chill down your spine !


  21. Looking at current crop who could be the ideal guys for each of these spots at 4  & 5 in 50 overs match for India .?

    Currently looking at Iyer , Pandey , KL, Mayank, Gill, Padikkal , Ruturaj Gaikwad.

    Form may be up & down over a period , but what is considered is the game each has against pace , against spin , rotating the strike , Power hitting , Hitting ability against Pace for evaluation. Also it is assumed top 3 remain in good form and hence those are not changed . It is also assumed that Virat will take the mantle of attacking if needed when batting with No. 4 .

    It is also assumed KL Rahul will be part of the core group and will always be in the eleven either playing at 4 or 5  if not playing at the top.


    The ideal #4 should have these essential skills

    > who will play  as an anchor at one end (i.e. will not get out easily )  so that will carry the last  15-20 overs along with lower order hitters. Hence good defense is required .

    > They should not have apparent weakness against Pace or spin or Short stuff.

    > Can rotate strike 

    > Should have ability to play shots against pacers .

    > Either hits sixes of spinners easily or good in hitting in gaps , so that can get boundaries often in middle overs .

    Other good to have skills --

    > Good fielder .

    > Can bowl a few overs .


    1. Players currently playing in MO .

    Iyer :- 

     Pluses  -  Good against Spin , rotates the strike ,Can hit Sixes of spinners . 

                 OK level skills  - Can play anchor role , ability to play shots vs average  pace 

                 Minus - weakness against quality pace , unconvincing game against short stuff and below average attacking shots vs short bowling.     


    Pandey :-   

    Pluses  -  rotates the strike . Top fielder 

                 OK level skills  - Can play anchor role , ability to play shots against pace & spin 

                 There is not one exceptional ability which we can identify with Pandey based on his performance till last season , required for good No.4

                 . (We may have to re look if there is any improvement this season ) .


    KL Rahul :- 

     Pluses  -  Good against Pace , One of the  best in playing attacking shots against Pace .Power hitter .  No apparent weakness apart from play vs mystery spinners , quality spin at the start of innings .

        Minus - weakness against quality spin.


    From players currently playing , KL Rahul would no. 1 contender if opposition team attack has more pacers and less quality spinners including mystery type..


    2. Players yet to play in Middle overs :-


    Mayank - Can anchor , Decent against Pace & spin , rotates the strike .

     Unknown -  consistency and ability to play in MO., Power hitting  

    Gill  - 

    No apparent weakness , may be the best to play anchor role at 4 , has ability to play shots against pace and a good player of short stuff. good against spin too.   

    Minus - Power hitting

    Unknown -  ability to rotate strike easily against quality pace as of now .  

    Ruturaj -  Plays spin well  , good at finding gaps against spinners .

    Unknown -  ability to Play pace . ability to play anchor role . ability to play attacking shots against pace .

    Padikkal -   Power hitter against spin , a left hander .  Seem to have the ability to play as per situation . 

    Unknown -  ability to Play short stuff .

    Thus as of now if opposition has more pace attack - will play KL Rahul at 4 . 

    Among others - Will play Iyer at 4 against  Aus, NZ  & England and if does not show improvement in his game against Pace , will try Mayank & Gill .


    My hunch is its Gill & Kl Rahul ultimately  and  you will get the best out of both

     - by playing Gill at 4 to bring more stability and to hold one end up ,

      - by playing  KL at 5 , so that he plays more Pace bowling towards end of innings due to his ability to play attacking shots against pace .    


    Eventually Rahul will move to opener position , hence need to prepare other alternatives - 

    1. an improved iyer with better game against pace .

    2. Padikkal

    3. Ruturaj.


    We should try  Padikkal in MO in T20s  first and if he plays Pace well then should be drafted in into 50 overs  for No. 5 spot .

    Next in line should be  Rurutraj to see if he can be a back up for No. 4 . 

    Samson, Pant  should be contenders for WK position. 



  22. 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

    Everyone shud hold opinion on iyer - his runs have come against WI, SL, BANG

    he doesnt look comfortable against pace at all


    Let iyer play against diff teams n in diff condition before we make an opinion on him. Stats with such small sample size shud be ignored 


    Versus Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
    Australia 2 2 0 0 0 0 7 11 5.50 42.31 0 0
    South Africa 3 2 0 0 0 0 30 48 24.00 82.76 2 0
    Sri Lanka 3 3 0 0 2 0 88 162 54.00 101.25 1 0
    West Indies 6 5 0 0 4 0 71 266 53.20 112.71 2 0
    Overall (4) 14 12 0 0 6 0 88 487 40.58 101.46 5 0



    I dnt wanna look into his numbers against SA n Aus coz its 2-3 games only but on ground he doesnt look comfortable 

          Whatever may be the statistics , at this stage he does not look comfortable against pace and this was noticeable earlier too  and  the problem is 

          not addressed .


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