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Everything posted by Samcric

  1. If only Shami can learn to bowl those fast yorkers consistently at the death - he would be unstoppable in ODIs. He always bowls a great line and length upfront. When fit and in rhythm, he is our best and most destructive fast bowler. And rarely enough for an Indian pacer, has an intelligent brain to go with his skills.
  2. Yadav has shown signs of improvement in test matches and gotten close to top 20 ranking. But let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling him 'successful'. Still averages 36 and needs to prove a thing or two.
  3. INDIA vs AUSTRALIA | 4th ODI | Bengaluru | Sep 28 2017

    Very interesting :)
  4. INDIA vs AUSTRALIA | 4th ODI | Bengaluru | Sep 28 2017

    Seems ball was not coming on to the bat after 35-40 overs especially the cross-seam/slower ones. Scoring quickly against the new ball will be key. chasing 75-80 in the last 10 overs will be difficult.
  5. INDIA vs AUSTRALIA | 4th ODI | Bengaluru | Sep 28 2017

    When will experiment of Umesh Yadav in ODI end? has not worked and will not work.
  6. INDIA vs AUSTRALIA | 4th ODI | Bengaluru | Sep 28 2017

    Still no KL Rahul. No pacer for the death overs. India will probably lose this match if they don't get early wickets. If Aussies get to a flyer, expect them to make 330+ this time. No pulling back towards the end.
  7. India are now #1 in ODIs as well

    The most satisfying part is that this time, Batting and Bowling have contributed in equal parts for India to be no.1 in Tests+ODIs. Batting used to do the heavy lifting in the team of 2008-2010.
  8. Let's be fair about this - Bumrah has much more control and has been easily the best limited overs bowler in Indian set-up for the past 6 months. One night of under-performance does not make him worse than Bhuvi. Bhuvi was fantastic tonight though and showed us a glimpse of the old days with the big swinging unplayable deliveries :) Hope this puts an end to the debate about the no.2 Indian seamer for limited overs cricket. At least for a while.
  9. This is exactly the kind of powerplay batting that lost us the ODI series in Australia in 2016.
  10. His natural length seemed to be just short of good length. If that's true, he should do well in bouncier/seaming pitches in SA and Australia but may go for plenty in conditions like Sub-continent/WI or perhaps even England/NZ. But I was pleasantly surprised and very happy to see him clock up to 148kph. We need to be patient with all these new blokes. I am sure we will find 2-3 really good pacers in the coming months who will play for India for the next 10 years. All the guys you have mentioned in this thread are good prospects and the new rotational policy by the selectors does help. I am especially excited to see Nagarkoti and Mavi as both seem to have batting potential as well.
  11. Very well put. @Lannister Death Bias is the enemy. It always wins. And we still need to fight it. :)
  12. Top teams would be Aus, Eng, SA, NZ He has good ER against Aus and NZ. You need to take into consideration the type of pitches (350-par) which is also reflected in the ER of other Indian bowlers. Bumrah has extremely good numbers but has played very few ODIs so data is limited. Also, Bhuvi has a very good ER against Eng. SA and Eng are the boogie teams for Bhuvi and Bumrah respectively. It is near impossible to have a good ER against each and every team.
  13. I agree with that thought completely. Just have a problem with the premise of this thread that we ought to do that because Bhuvi is so very bad!
  14. Regarding Economy rates, as you can see below, he is one of the top 2 bowlers (highlighted in green) overall as well as against all top teams except SA (every bowler has a boogie team or two as the data also suggests). In fact, below data clearly suggests that Bhuvi and Bumrah are the best in term of ER on a long-term basis based on the ODI cricket they have played so far. You may choose to dissect data for last 12 months, last 2 months, last 2 weeks etc. To me, the best analysis is over a period of time especially for bowlers who have played 50-70 ODIs. Bumrah has played only 21. So better to look at the career data for these bowlers. Regarding the second point on trying new bowlers, I agree on what you are suggesting which is that we should have a larger pool of good bowlers. I just don't like the fact that you are trying to put down Bhuvi in order to get to that point. Yes, his ODI bowling average is not very good but is it so important in ODIs as it is in Test matches? Not in my view. If a bowler can restrict runs, it is as important as getting wickets - remember the last ODI series against Aus and SA - matches were won or lost based on the last 10 overs. That is what will happen more often than not on 350-type wickets. If you want to build a team with bowlers like Steyn, Warne, Waqar who will get international teams out in 35 overs and have bowling averages of 25, good luck with that. Teams like England will keep coming at you even if they lose wickets and will bat 50 overs most of the times because they bat deep. You need bowlers in the team who can restrict them to 75-80 runs in the last 10 overs and not concede 100. Last point on who should replace Bhuvi - The only name you gave was Thampi. I liked what I saw of him and I am all for him to be given a chance to see how good he is. But don't agree if the reason is that he 'seems' to be much better than bhuvi. Yes, he bowled 3-4 good yorkers in IPL but went for plenty. He also did not do as well in the SA A Triangular series as you claim. Was the 5th best Indian bowler in terms of ER and worst among regular bowlers in terms of SR and Average. Shardul Thakur was the best of the lot (considering both ER and ave) and he did get a chance. Bottomline - Yes, I would very much like to see young fast bowlers given a chance to create a pool of bowlers. But don't try to force-fit the notion that Bhuvi is a bad ODI bowler and others are so much better and it is such a miracle that he has been a part of the team for so long. He is a good ODI bowler as per most data-cuts and ICC ranking. He should only be dropped to try out new players (to create a larger pool) and not because of some imaginary reason that he is awful.
  15. Death bowling and economy rates are much more important today - given that that most teams bat deep and have more firepower. ODIs relate more to T20Is these days with 300s being scored more frequently. Take ICC ODI bowlers ranking for example - it takes both economy rate and average into account. And Bhuvi has been in the top 20 for a while. And having seen the other Indian bowlers in action, can't think of any one who can bowl yorkers/slower balls as well as Bhuvi and Bumrah. Can you suggest any bowlers who should be playing instead of Bhuvi?
  16. That is where our opinions differ. I don't see Pandey as a potential star like Virat because the guy can't score at a SR of 140 if the situation demands. He is another version of the current MSD who does not get out easily but can't score quickly. We need a replacement for Yuvraj of the 2006-2011 period who can maintain a high strike-rate effortlessly. Rahul can do this job. And if he can't open (which would be my first choice but does not look possible in the current set-up), would rather prefer him play at no.4 than not at all. But this is a good debate and discussion to have as fans. End of the day, both are good players and only time and their performances over the next 6 months will decide who deserves it more.
  17. Rahul at 4 : Discussion Thread

    That is what many posters have suggested - play Manish Pandey instead of Rahul at No. 4 (which means Rahul will not be playing at all). In my view, ideally Rahul should be opening the innings but since that is not possible (practically speaking) because of Rohit/Dhawan, I would prefer him playing at 4 than not play at all. He has the game to be successful at no. 4 and can score at a SR of 140 if the situation demands. I am not sure Manish Pandey can. He seems to be another version of current MSD. May not get out easily (as he did against SA A recently) but can't score at more than a SR of 100-110 max. This is very useful on 250-par pitches but utterly useless on 330-par pitches. I am afraid we will get the latter ones in England in WC 2019.
  18. Pandey failed for an entire series against New Zealand. In fact just like that one famous 100 of Rahul, Pandey has THAT ONE FAMOUS 100 against Australia. And Kedar Jadhav has actually performed more often than the two. Safe to say, none of the 3 has sealed their place in the Middle order and there is room for maximum of 2. In my view, KL Rahul should be opening the innings with either kohli or pant. He is not bad against spin - remember he scored in fifty in nearly each innings in that Australia test series. In this SL series, he is getting out to Dhananjay possibly because he is not picking him well.
  19. Rahul at 4 : Discussion Thread

    More than the no. 4 position, he has had problems with playing Dhananjay who has got him out all 3 times. He hasn't read him well and you can say that the ones in 3rd and 4th ODIs were soft dismissals. Rohit Sharma kept failing for a long time in the early part of his career and Kohli also took some time to get started. Rahul has already proven his potential in Tests and IPL. No reason to pull the curtains on him after 3 innings that he failed to score in. Remember he scored a fifty in each innings of that tough Australia test series, so its not like he lacks the mental mettle. Need to be patient.
  20. England All-rounders

    Why only last 12 months? I provided you his career stats. No. of overs bowled does not define a good bowler. Average and strike-rate do. In fact, if Stokes does not bowl enough in a match, it points to the strength of other bowlers in English team not the other way around. Now let's discuss the numbers. A good all-rounder is someone who can create a net positive difference between batting average and bowling average. A good batting all-rounder will average more than 40 with bat and less than 35 with the ball (like Kallis/Sobers/Shakib). A good bowling all-rounder will average less than 25 with ball and more than 30 with bat (Ashwin/Jadeja etc.) Ben Stokes is more of the first category and he should ideally be averaging more than 40 with the bat (whereas he averages 35 which is around the same as someone like Ashwin). Bowling average of around 35 after the first 35-odd matches is actually not so bad and his main area of improvement is in Batting. So, while I agree with your conclusion that he is not that good an all-rounder, it is not because he bowls after 3 other people. It is because his batting and bowling average are the same - around 35. All good all-rounders have a difference of 5 or more. For Kallis, it was 20+, Ashwin +8, Jadeja +7, Shakib +9 etc.
  21. England All-rounders

    Then by your definition, Kallis would not be an all-rounder as he used to be the 4th bowler for most of his career. England's top 3 bowlers on a green pitch would be Anderson, Broad and Woakes who are as good as any top 3 seamers in the world. So, how can you hold that against him? Also, I don't think you can classify Ben Stokes as someone who can 'bowl a bit'. If so, you will have to classify Umesh Yadav as the same. Both have played around 35 matches, taken 90-95 wickets at an average and strike-rate of around 35 and 60 respectively.
  22. Bhuvneswar Kumar 20 matches 17 wickets at avg of 54

    The guy who has an economy rate of 5.8 and can bowl only one length? And if he is so good at picking wickets, please remind me again why he averages 37 in Tests where you are only supposed to take wickets more than anything else?
  23. Bhuvneswar Kumar 20 matches 17 wickets at avg of 54

    His economy rate is 4.9 after 70 ODIs. Comparatively, Umesh and Ishant have econ of 5.8-5.9, none have control and neither can bowl at the death. At least Bhuvi can bowl yorkers (though still not as well as Bumrah) but who are you going to replace Bhuvi with? You are right that ODI bowling is a mix of wicket-taking ability and keeping runs down. But ODIs today are closer to T20Is than Test matches. It is perhaps more important to keep the run-rate down and many times rash strokes get you wickets than magic balls. ICC rankings for ODI bowlers also reflect this. Bhuvi and even Akshar (a so-called defensive bowler) are the only 2 Indians in the top 20. Akshar was ranked 9 before he got dropped and I am sure he will be in the top-10 again after this series.
  24. Bhuvneswar Kumar 20 matches 17 wickets at avg of 54

    Bhuvi and Bumrah are the only two Indian bowlers who can bowl in the last 10 overs and contain. When you play against teams like England, Australia and South Africa, you will need to bowl well in the last 10. Bhuvi has the ability to bowl yorkers at the death. Agreed he has not been able to take wickets in this series. Remember that in the last series he played in West Indies, he took 2 for 28 from the total of 10 overs that he bowled in the entire series. And he bowled well in CT 2017. So if anything, we are trying to judge him from the first 2 games this series. At least in the most recent past.
  25. Bhuvi as 3rd seamer in SA Tests

    He would be the second seamer if SA prepare green pitches. For me, he would always be ahead of Umesh in the pecking order due to his control. Don't expect him to make many runs though if we get green pitches. In fact, even the batting of guys like Ashwin, Saha, Pandya may be shown as insufficient and it will bowl down to the runs made by top 5.

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