Jump to content

sandeep

Members
  • Content count

    8,540
  • Runs

    255,140 
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    26
  • Time Online

    123d 15h 10m 16s

Reputation Activity

  1. Like
    sandeep got a reaction from G_B_ in Next gen Indian batting talents - Plenty of Flash, but light on grit?   
    Shreyas Iyer.   Sanju Samson.  Rishabh Pant.   Karun Nair.   Sarfraz Khan.  And the latest addition to the mix, chota packet promising to be the next big dhamaka - Prithvi Shaw.
     
    All of these guys seem to have that 'it' factor when it comes to their batting.  That certain something that jumps out when you watch them bat - plenty of timing, a plethora of strokes, and a willingness to take the attack to the bowlers.   But take a bit of a closer look, and you can start to see telltale signs of inconsistency - a tendency to "live hard or die trying".   Given the way the economic and 'popularity' incentives are stacked in favor of "modern" bats who are capable of exciting stroke-play, its not hard to see why the teenyboppers of Indian batting are all out to emulate the ABDVs and Rohit Sharmas of the world, as opposed to the Gavaskars and dare I say, even the great Sachin Tendulkar.   
     
    Gone are the days where the domestic circuit prioritized, taught and honed the ability of a young batsman's ability to put a premium price on his wicket.  These days, all you hear in terms of "cutting edge conventional wisdom" is the tiresome cliche of "expressing yourself" and "playing your natural game".  So widespread is the epidemic in India's young ranks,, that even the normally reticent Rahul Dravid felt compelled to publicly call out some of his wards.    An annoyed Dravid was quoted as dismissing all this emphasis on "natural game" as "frustrating".   Dravid chose to make his point with an unusually strong choice of words.
     
    Strong words they might be, but I feel that it will be inevitably swamped by the tsunami of $$$$ that has flooded cricket since the inception of the IPL.  After all, what will a young Indian cricketer aspire to be, considering the cricket circuit today - Why should he devote his energies to building his skills like say, a Murali Vijay, Che Pujara, or even an Ajinkya Rahane?  When a test cricket 'failure' like Rohit Sharma is a multi-millionaire superstar IPL team captain, and gets to be a glory hogging ODI opener for the national team because of his ability to hit sixes?  
     
    To some extent, this evolution of incentives and the corresponding evolution in batting is not restricted to India alone.   One look at the young batsmen coming through the ranks in England and Australia will show you a markedly 'same-ness' in the ranks.  James Vince.   Marcus Stoinis.   Chris Lynn.  Glenn Maxwell.   
     
    I wonder where the next Rahul Dravid will come from.  Or if he will show up at all.   Cricket will be poorer for it, if he doesn't.  
  2. Great Post
    sandeep got a reaction from Vilander in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    "All that is ok.  Just play cricket with us, so that we can make money from your audience."   Banjo, the shamelessness and nerve of these entitled fools.
  3. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from TheWall in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    That's quite an intentional misreading of what I posted.   Nobody is accusing the average Pakistani of being terrorists.  But the average Pakistani does support a society, and a legal and government system that openly provides comfort and security to terrorists and murderers, many of whom are designated as criminal terrorists by the UN.   
     
    Why is that Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed and their organizations get so much public support - in terms of manpower and money, within Pakistan's borders?  Why are they openly allowed to continue their business of "non-state actors", not just by the feckless Pakistani government, or the PakMil with blood on their hands, but also by the general public which provides bulk of their support, not to mention soceital approval of their shenanigans?    
     
    And look at yourself, out here, shamelessly playing the victim card instead of having the balls to call a spade a spade.  I will not shirk in accepting that the recent actions of some Indians in India - with the beef ban etc have been shameful and criminal.   Why are Pakistanis so shameless in not just tolerating, but condoning and supporting the violent actions of some of their countrymen?  
     
  4. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from tweaker in Board president XI Vs New Zealand,Mumbai, Oct 19 201   
    Bhau, we are on the same page on this - See this in my first post on this subject: 
     
     
  5. Upvote
    sandeep reacted to Imtiaz in After Praise From Virat Kohli, A Response From Mohammad Amir   
    When was the last time two indo-pak players had such bromance ? 
    P.S Kohli is superb and amir is decent but the world dont revolve around them...let the fans judge who stands where.
  6. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from Laaloo in Next gen Indian batting talents - Plenty of Flash, but light on grit?   
    +1.   One of my favorite Veeru innings is his away hundred in the 2007-08 series in Australia.  It wasn't his usual slam-bang stuff.  It was a "You shall not Pass" effort.   And one of his finest.  Veeru had an under-rated defensive game.  And he drew the right lessons from his 195 at Melbourne.   He was quoted after getting caught off fulltoss, saying that he was satisfied with the runs he scored.  And a few years later, he was quoted as saying that he later realized that his dismissal ended up causing India to lose that match - he had the Aussies on the mat before he went for that hoick, and it would have been a very different game, if he had batted on for even another 30-40 minutes or so.  
     
    Even Warner is not a guy who throws it away.   He is a Sehwag shishya in the truest sense of the word.  Especially in test cricket.  
  7. Like
    sandeep got a reaction from G_B_ in Next gen Indian batting talents - Plenty of Flash, but light on grit?   
    Shreyas Iyer.   Sanju Samson.  Rishabh Pant.   Karun Nair.   Sarfraz Khan.  And the latest addition to the mix, chota packet promising to be the next big dhamaka - Prithvi Shaw.
     
    All of these guys seem to have that 'it' factor when it comes to their batting.  That certain something that jumps out when you watch them bat - plenty of timing, a plethora of strokes, and a willingness to take the attack to the bowlers.   But take a bit of a closer look, and you can start to see telltale signs of inconsistency - a tendency to "live hard or die trying".   Given the way the economic and 'popularity' incentives are stacked in favor of "modern" bats who are capable of exciting stroke-play, its not hard to see why the teenyboppers of Indian batting are all out to emulate the ABDVs and Rohit Sharmas of the world, as opposed to the Gavaskars and dare I say, even the great Sachin Tendulkar.   
     
    Gone are the days where the domestic circuit prioritized, taught and honed the ability of a young batsman's ability to put a premium price on his wicket.  These days, all you hear in terms of "cutting edge conventional wisdom" is the tiresome cliche of "expressing yourself" and "playing your natural game".  So widespread is the epidemic in India's young ranks,, that even the normally reticent Rahul Dravid felt compelled to publicly call out some of his wards.    An annoyed Dravid was quoted as dismissing all this emphasis on "natural game" as "frustrating".   Dravid chose to make his point with an unusually strong choice of words.
     
    Strong words they might be, but I feel that it will be inevitably swamped by the tsunami of $$$$ that has flooded cricket since the inception of the IPL.  After all, what will a young Indian cricketer aspire to be, considering the cricket circuit today - Why should he devote his energies to building his skills like say, a Murali Vijay, Che Pujara, or even an Ajinkya Rahane?  When a test cricket 'failure' like Rohit Sharma is a multi-millionaire superstar IPL team captain, and gets to be a glory hogging ODI opener for the national team because of his ability to hit sixes?  
     
    To some extent, this evolution of incentives and the corresponding evolution in batting is not restricted to India alone.   One look at the young batsmen coming through the ranks in England and Australia will show you a markedly 'same-ness' in the ranks.  James Vince.   Marcus Stoinis.   Chris Lynn.  Glenn Maxwell.   
     
    I wonder where the next Rahul Dravid will come from.  Or if he will show up at all.   Cricket will be poorer for it, if he doesn't.  
  8. Upvote
    sandeep reacted to fineleg in Board president XI Vs New Zealand,Mumbai, Oct 19 201   
    Agreed, dont rush him. Let him do a couple of Ranji seasons, and A-tours and the grind. Let him develop (hopefully) via those. He should not get a super fast track into Indian team without showing consistency.
  9. Upvote
    sandeep reacted to bsriharsha in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    The Pakistan Cricket Board has enough of a captive population (either in Pakistan or among the expats in US/UK etc) to make themselves profitable. If the PCB administers the game well , there's no reason as to why they can't generate enough revenue from the domestic game in itself. Take SA for instance , even during the apartheid era , their cricket board did make enough money out of the domestic game. I don't think they need to look at matches against India or the players hankering after playing in IPL per se to really make money.

    And Pakistan's circumstances are nowhere being close to the embargo which was dumped on the SA government(rightfully).

    They should concentrate on focussing their efforts to build the game domestically. PSL for example is a concept that was probably 4 years too late. But they can still focus on making the PSL being the prime T20 competition and giving the domestic games some context.

    About the Pakistan domestic scene, A bit of context would definitely help. There are departments etc etc , there are provinces etc etc, and too much of cricket is being played on placid tracks with an idiotic first class structure. 
  10. Great Post
    sandeep got a reaction from Vilander in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    "All that is ok.  Just play cricket with us, so that we can make money from your audience."   Banjo, the shamelessness and nerve of these entitled fools.
  11. Like
    sandeep reacted to express bowling in Board president XI Vs New Zealand,Mumbai, Oct 19 201   
    So is Nair, but he is playing
     
    Rahul really needed a 50-over game more than Ranji matches., to showcase his ODI ability,
  12. Haha
    sandeep reacted to rkt.india in K Gowtham for senior team   
    he was picked by MI for 2 crores last time but they are Benching Champions.
  13. Upvote
  14. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from beetle in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    Well that "average Pakistani" is also partially culpable.  You reap what you sow.   And if the average Pakistani and their average Pakistani representatives clean up their acts, then they won't be deprived.   If they don't....
  15. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from Turning_track in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    Exactly.  Move on.  Stop begging for hand-outs from Indian Cricket as if you are somehow "entitled" to them.   Cricket's bilateral fixtures have always been arranged on mutual agreement.   Begging, pleading, threatening, etc will get you absolutely nowhere.  
  16. Haha
    sandeep got a reaction from Shaz1 in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    If you are looking for "good debates" then you need to bring a bit of intellectual honesty to the table.   Agree that hatred is useless.  But pointing out facts, especially those are relevant, even critical to the question and subject at hand, cannot be dismissed as "fingerpointing".    That's just a self-serving attempt at superficially claiming the "high road" while taking the low one in actuality. 
     
    You presented a perspective that claims that Cricket should be played between India & Pakistan.  When presented with opposing opinions, you choose to dismiss them as hatred, instead of arguing against the logic.   And threw out strawman arguments claiming that posters are calling Pakistanis as terrorists - when overwhelming majority, if not all the posts on this thead, simply don't do that. 
     
    That doesn't reflect someone "looking for a good debate", it reflects a close-minded person unable to stomach reality checks from differing perspectives.   Colloquially known as Kuwey ka mendhak in the sub-continent.  I.e. Frog in the well syndrome.  
  17. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from RAZPOR in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    Not sure where I got "personal".  And while I agree that ICF certainly has a lot of improvement in terms of discussion quality, on this particular subject, and in this thread, sorry I have to disagree with you.  You seem to be dismissive of perspectives that don't mirror your own.   Your loss IMO.   
  18. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from beetle in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy for the average Pakistani fan who wants to see cricket being played in their home country.   
     
    But the question must be asked - are the average Pakistanis blameless in this mess?  Its not just that their government and military is aiding and abetting terrorist murderers - their actions have the de facto, and at times explicit, support of their public.   Where are the Pakistani voices vocally announcing that the protection of the handlers and trainers of 26/11 murderers - crazy brainwashed idiots who shot and killed innocent civilians and children - should not be done in their name?  In fact, the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are out and about, justifying their government's policies and actions.  
     
    Until the Pakistani people stand up and ask their own representatives to clean up their act, their military and govt is not going to do it.   You want all the benefits that come with being part of the world community, but none of the responsibility.   Can't have it both ways.  
     
    Stop making tenuous justifications and comparisons with other countries.   Take a honest, objective look at yourself, before you start crying isolation, bias, and all that nonsense.  
  19. Great Post
    sandeep got a reaction from Vilander in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    "All that is ok.  Just play cricket with us, so that we can make money from your audience."   Banjo, the shamelessness and nerve of these entitled fools.
  20. Haha
    sandeep got a reaction from Shaz1 in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    If you are looking for "good debates" then you need to bring a bit of intellectual honesty to the table.   Agree that hatred is useless.  But pointing out facts, especially those are relevant, even critical to the question and subject at hand, cannot be dismissed as "fingerpointing".    That's just a self-serving attempt at superficially claiming the "high road" while taking the low one in actuality. 
     
    You presented a perspective that claims that Cricket should be played between India & Pakistan.  When presented with opposing opinions, you choose to dismiss them as hatred, instead of arguing against the logic.   And threw out strawman arguments claiming that posters are calling Pakistanis as terrorists - when overwhelming majority, if not all the posts on this thead, simply don't do that. 
     
    That doesn't reflect someone "looking for a good debate", it reflects a close-minded person unable to stomach reality checks from differing perspectives.   Colloquially known as Kuwey ka mendhak in the sub-continent.  I.e. Frog in the well syndrome.  
  21. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from beetle in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    Well that "average Pakistani" is also partially culpable.  You reap what you sow.   And if the average Pakistani and their average Pakistani representatives clean up their acts, then they won't be deprived.   If they don't....
  22. Upvote
    sandeep got a reaction from beetle in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy for the average Pakistani fan who wants to see cricket being played in their home country.   
     
    But the question must be asked - are the average Pakistanis blameless in this mess?  Its not just that their government and military is aiding and abetting terrorist murderers - their actions have the de facto, and at times explicit, support of their public.   Where are the Pakistani voices vocally announcing that the protection of the handlers and trainers of 26/11 murderers - crazy brainwashed idiots who shot and killed innocent civilians and children - should not be done in their name?  In fact, the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are out and about, justifying their government's policies and actions.  
     
    Until the Pakistani people stand up and ask their own representatives to clean up their act, their military and govt is not going to do it.   You want all the benefits that come with being part of the world community, but none of the responsibility.   Can't have it both ways.  
     
    Stop making tenuous justifications and comparisons with other countries.   Take a honest, objective look at yourself, before you start crying isolation, bias, and all that nonsense.  
  23. Like
    sandeep reacted to mancalledsting in Prithvi Shaw   
    I would prefer Prithvi to be earmarked for the test side (in preference to ODIs) as opening batting in tests (after being a fast bowler) is toughest job in cricket. Our test batting lineup is currently crying out for a gun opener. KL has the potential but we are all holding our breath re: whether his body holds up. 
  24. Haha
    sandeep got a reaction from Forever Indian in Pakistan vs Sri Lanka - 5 Match ODI Series | 13-23 Oct 2017 - UAE   
    So Dickwella bats better.  Maybe keeps wickets better. But Sarfraz is better cuz Lahori logic.  
  25. Great Post
    sandeep reacted to New guy in Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU   
    I think people can understand the difference between a drunk fan showing frustration by throwing a stone and a planned terrorist attack which wanted to kidnap/kills players. 
     
    I like how you claimed about players not getting hurt but apart from 6 players injured, 6 policemen and 2 civilians were killed. Does their deaths not matter?
     
    However, to answer your question, the reason for the perception Pakistan has is because of their own doing. Seriously or not, people know that the stone throwers were caught and jailed. They know the intention and trust India and Indian government. on the other hand, this week, Pakistan threw out terror charges against Hafeez Saeed. Pakistanis can fool themselves by saying no evidence, etc, etc but the rest of the world is not blind and deaf. They know Pakistan government supports terrorists and since they do, how can they keep people safe from their own terrorists? Pet terrorists constantly go rogue
     
    The trust issues Pakistan has is linked to your government and their support of terrorists

Guest, sign in to access all features.

×