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  1. Well done Sri Lanka

  2. Well done Sri Lanka

    Which game ?
  3. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    I know and I agree ..... just showing that even with a very accomodative definition, there haven't been many around with stock balls of 148 k : )
  4. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    He was talking of 148 k stock ball The above 3 regularly and Starc and Johnson in odd spells
  5. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    How can ..... batsmen getting hurried or not getting hurried on a given day .... playing on the front foot vs back foot to good length balls .... batsman standing deep in the crease vs outside the crease on a given day .... keeper or 1st slip standing on 30-yard circle ..... be prior knowledge ? The post above also compared Waqar's speeds with our current fast bowlers, saying that he had hit 152 k / 153 k twice .... just like our quicks. By the way, how many pacers have we seen with stock deliveries of 148 k in tests or ODIs for any length of time ? Akhtar, Lee, Tait, regularly .....Johnson, Starc occasionally.
  6. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    You are being too theoretical as usual and arguing for the sake of it. Have I talked about gauging delivery speeds without any batsmen or wickets for reference ? In telecasted content and videos, both are available for reference. In fact, different reactions of batsmen to different pacers on the same pitch ..... like whether they are getting hurried or not, especially to full deliveries. whether they are playing more on the front-foot or back foot to good length balls, how the pitched up balls are carrying to the keeper for different bowlers on the same pitch, whether the keeper is very close to the 30-yard circle or logo on that 30-yard circle etc. batsman standing deep in the crease vs outside the crease .... all these factors are important pointers for ROUGHLY ESTIMATING or guessing bowlers' speeds while watching on TV. Huh .... like not noticing a single 147 k+ ball by an Indian pacer except Aaron ..... when dozens of them have been bowled by 8 different pacers .... while saying that Holding bowled 153 k+ throughout the day
  7. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    Sreesanth 148.4 k .... watch from 4.00 of this video
  8. Has Karn Sharma made a case for himself in the LOI setup?

    Surely When a wrist spinner is picking wickets for fun in A-team and Duleep matches ..... improved his spinning ability .... is a decent batter I wonder how his googly and flipper are as of today.
  9. Shankar and Hooda doing really well in the last 2 matches Iyer did very well in his last 3 A-team matches
  10. Vijay Shankar: I want to be a genuine allrounder

    Shankar ideal candidate for No. 6 or No.5 in LOIs
  11. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    Safety gears do not eliminate fear.... but fear sets in at much higher bowling speeds if there are safety gears. Any proof of that ? I could not find much. Maybe ..... may not be .... no way to find out No proof of that. Only Roberts was occasionally measured bowling at a pace which was similar to modern express bowlers. Holding's fastest recorded speed was in the early 150s ..... similar to standard fast bowlers of today Garner was not a genuine fast bowler according to Richards. Agree But it depends somewhat on the bounce of the pitch too Like the case below, where even Bhuvi is looking nasty. http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4553/bouncers-served-hot-courtesy-umesh-yadav-bhuvneshwar-kumar Most of the nasty spells by Thommo, Holding and Roberts were on the fast, bouncy Aussie pitches or the 2 really fast WI pitches of that era. Agree .... but no one is opposing this in this thread. A 140 k bowler, who becomes nasty or dangerous due to bounce or swing, is called a nasty fast bowler and not an express bowler. Why are some people hell bent on calling them express bowlers !
  12. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    I have actually said that it is NOT possible to gauge exact bowling speeds by human beings.... and you need speed-guns or high-speed cameras. But you can say that Starc is quicker than Bhuvi by watching on TV too, as the difference in speed is huge .... although you CANNOT state the exact speeds that they are bowling at. I agree that it is not possible to demarcate relative speeds by watching on TV when it is quite close ..... like say Shami vs Bumrah Your deep bias against Indian pacers is very apparent though.
  13. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    You may have chosen not to see them BUT .... UMESH has clocked a fastest of 152.5 k and quite a few 150 k+ balls ..... usually had quite a few balls of around 149 k or 148 k in almost every series till early 2017 Umesh in World Cup 2015 semifinal .... fastest 149 k, average 145 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/match/48 Umesh in World Cup 2015 match Pakistan .... fastest 149 k, average 141 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/match/04 Umesh in 3rd test match 2nd innings vs England 2016 ... fastest 149 k, average 140 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-england-2016/match/03 Umesh in 2nd test match 1st innings vs England 2016 ... fastest 148 k, average 141 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-england-2016/match/02 Umesh in 4th test match 2nd innings vs England 2016 ... fastest 148 k, average 142 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-england-2016/match/04 Umesh in 5th test match 1st innings vs England 2016 ... fastest 148 k, average 141 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-england-2016/match/05 Umesh in 3rd test match 1st innings vs Australia 2017 ... fastest 148 k, average 139 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-australia-2017/match/03 Umesh in 2nd test match 1st innings vs Australia 2017 ... fastest 148 k, average 140 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-australia-2017/match/02 Umesh in CT 2017 vs SL ....fastest 148 k, average 139 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-australia-2017/match/03 and many many more such matches for Umesh .... ISHANT too has bowled quite a few 150 k+ balls ..... fastest of 152.6 k Here is a video of him bowling 152.2 K MD. SHAMI ..... fastest of 151.2 k in 2nd test match 1st innings vs NZ 2016 ... fastest 151.2 k, average 140 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-new-zealand-2016/match/02 in 3rd test match 1st innings vs Eng 2016 ... fastest 147 k + , average 138 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/india-v-england-2016/match/03 and some other such innings BUMRAH 148 k, 148 k CT 2017 final vs Pakistan ..... ... fastest 148 k, average 138 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/icc-champions-trophy-2017/match/15 CT 2017 vs SL ..... ... fastest 148 k, average 136 k ( check hawkeye .. bowl speeds ) http://www.bcci.tv/icc-champions-trophy-2017/match/08 AARON 153.4 k ( only speed Mulo is aware of ) Aaron took 13 wickets in the 2010–11 Ranji Trophy and bowled a 153.4 km/h (95.3 mph) delivery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varun_Aaron SRINATH 157 K, 156 k, 149.6 k In the 1997/98 series against Australia, Srinath's with one particular delivery measured at 149.6 km/h.[5] The Zimbabwe captain Alistair Campbell revealed that Srinath was recorded at 157 km/hr on 27 January 1997 in the game at Paarl between India and Zimbabwe. He said about this game: "We then moved on to our second game against India, at Boland Bank Park. In all 236 was quite a decent score, as it wasn't the easiest of pitches to bat on, and Srinath I think bowled the quickest that any of our guys had ever seen. He bowled a really quick spell early on, even quicker than Allan Donald; he was timed at 157 km/h, a good 10 km/h faster than Donald was bowling throughout the tournament. Grant Flower was hit on the thigh pad, and when he came off he said he thought he had broken his leg" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javagal_Srinath Between December '96 and February '97 Srinath's speeds were timed in excess of 150kph and were comparable to those of both Allan Donald and South Africa's 'new' pace sensation Lance Klusener. Whilst Klusener's fastest ball came in at 154kph and he proved at the time to be faster than Donald, it has been brought to my attention on numerous occasions that Srinath pipped them both with one particular delivery measured at 156kph. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html In their first encounter with the new speed guns, Srinath clocked 148kph while McGrath, although the fastest of the rest, was a whopping seven kph behind Srinath at 141kph. At the tournament's first match Srinath and McGrath went head to head once more. This time it was evident for all the world to see that Javagal Srinath was no medium pacer, but was a genuine speedster clocking up 149.6kph once again and bettering McGrath's best speed by some 9kph. Srinath proved to be the second fastest bowler of the tournament next to Shoaib (154.5kph) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html Once in an interview, 1992 World cup winning Pakistan captain Imran Khan said that after watching him bowl 150 km/h speed on Indian pitches, he considered Srinathto be the most grossly underrated bowler in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javagal_Srinath NEHRA 149.7 k in WC 2003 SREESANTH 148.4 k .... video a few posts below this one. .... and proves the kind of bias against Indian fast bowlers
  14. Prashant Chopra fails Was looking forward to him doing well.
  15. Has Karn Sharma made a case for himself in the LOI setup?

    Axar is the better batsman as of today ..... better at hitting the big shots and batting at a higher SR too. But Karn is a decent batter. On a different issue, Karn's ability to spin the ball has improved in the last 14 months.
  16. I don't know how, at this day and age, we are not including a single 6 hitter from No.4 to No.6 in LOIs. Ideally, there should be atleast 2 such hitters based on present-day ability.
  17. And we are making our quick pacers, Siraj and Thampi, warm the benches and short trundler Kaul is playing
  18. This time it was medium-fast in-dippers
  19. Can we beat SA in SA in the upcoming test series?

    Shami, Kohli, Rahane, Rahul .... all need to be fit. If they are .... we have a good chance of winning this time.
  20. T20s have 120 balls per innings ..... if we consider top 7 batters then it means an average of 17 balls per batter Priority for 5 of those 7 batters usually is to score as many runs as possible in the balls they play rather than trying to build an innings. Good T20 teams generally tend to include a couple of 140+ SR batters ( one out of those two 150+ ) ..... most of them 128+ in terms of SR 1 ) T20I SR of our top 7 batters in today's T20I playing XI Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2010-2017 51 46 12 1830 90* 53.82 1344 136.16 0 17 0 196 35 HH Pandya 2016-2017 20 10 0 100 31 10.00 75 133.33 0 0 1 7 5 KM Jadhav 2015-2017 8 5 0 95 58 19.00 72 131.94 0 1 0 9 2 RG Sharma 2007-2017 64 56 12 1373 106 31.20 1062 129.28 1 11 3 121 51 MS Dhoni 2006-2017 79 68 34 1212 56 35.64 983 123.29 0 1 1 83 36 MK Pandey 2015-2017 10 7 1 151 51* 25.16 125 120.80 0 1 2 6 6 S Dhawan 2011-2017 24 23 2 439 60 20.90 379 115.83 0 2 1 54 12 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=50;qualval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting 2 ) Not a single batsman with SR of 140+.... forget 150+. 3 ) 3 batters with SR below 125 .... 4 batters with SR below 130 4 ) We have left out KL Rahul .... who has a SR of 149 5 ) Gavaskar asking for Rahane, with SR of 113, to replace Rahul with SR of 149 6) We have not included any high SR new batters like Krunal or Pant 7 ) Only 3 six-hitters in the squad ..... Hardik, Rohit, Rahul ...... only 2 in the playing 11. ( current-day ability ) 8 ) We are the 5th ranked team in T20Is now ( while being ranked 1 in both tests and ODIs ) .... so, this approach is not working in T20s. http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/28970884 9 ) Top SRs in T20Is for reference. Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s A Symonds (AUS) 2005-2009 14 11 4 337 85* 48.14 199 169.34 0 2 2 33 10 GJ Maxwell (AUS) 2012-2017 37 33 4 839 145* 28.93 507 165.48 1 3 1 78 44 E Lewis (WI) 2016-2017 14 14 1 468 125* 36.00 302 154.96 2 2 1 26 40 Shahid Afridi (PAK) 2006-2016 98 90 12 1405 54* 18.01 932 150.75 0 4 8 102 73 NLTC Perera (SL/World) 2010-2017 60 51 19 761 49 23.78 506 150.39 0 0 5 59 38 C Munro (NZ) 2012-2017 32 29 5 601 101 25.04 403 149.13 1 3 4 41 38 KL Rahul (INDIA) 2016-2017 9 8 2 304 110* 50.66 204 149.01 1 1 1 29 11 AJ Finch (AUS) 2011-2017 32 32 3 1124 156 38.75 755 148.87 1 7 0 114 48 Najibullah Zadran (AFG) 2012-2017 40 32 13 643 60* 33.84 433 148.49 0 2 0 39 35 LE Bosman (SA) 2006-2010 14 14 1 323 94 24.84 219 147.48 0 3 2 27 20 DJG Sammy (WI/World) 2007-2017 68 52 18 587 42* 17.26 398 147.48 0 0 3 45 31 YK Pathan (INDIA) 2007-2012 22 18 5 236 37* 18.15 161 146.58 0 0 3 11 17 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2006-2012 19 18 0 394 68 21.88 271 145.38 0 2 1 43 16 CH Gayle (WI) 2006-2017 52 49 4 1577 117 35.04 1085 145.34 2 13 2 134 103 SR Watson (AUS) 2006-2016 58 56 6 1462 124* 29.24 1006 145.32 1 10 3 115 83 E Chigumbura (ZIM) 2006-2016 47 46 8 789 54* 20.76 543 145.30 0 3 5 56 46 ML Hayden (AUS) 2005-2007 9 9 3 308 73* 51.33 214 143.92 0 4 0 37 13 MN van Wyk (SA) 2007-2015 8 7 1 225 114* 37.50 157 143.31 1 1 0 19 14 Shafiqullah (AFG) 2010-2017 35 32 9 392 51* 17.04 274 143.06 0 1 4 29 23 JA Morkel (SA) 2005-2015 50 38 11 572 43 21.18 402 142.28 0 0 1 29 39 AC Gilchrist (AUS) 2005-2008 13 13 1 272 48 22.66 192 141.66 0 0 0 27 13 KP Pietersen (ENG) 2005-2013 37 36 5 1176 79 37.93 831 141.51 0 7 1 119 32 L Ronchi (AUS/NZ) 2008-2017 32 25 6 359 51* 18.89 254 141.33 0 1 4 30 14 RE Levi (SA) 2012-2012 13 13 2 236 117* 21.45 167 141.31 1 1 3 20 15 JDP Oram (NZ) 2005-2012 36 30 7 474 66* 20.60 339 139.82 0 2 3 38 22 DA Warner (AUS) 2009-2017 64 64 3 1694 90* 27.77 1213 139.65 0 12 5 164 74 JC Buttler (ENG) 2011-2017 57 49 11 1014 73* 26.68 731 138.71 0 5 3 72 46 Mohammad Nabi (AFG) 2010-2017 58 53 7 876 89 19.04 634 138.17 0 2 3 56 45 RR Rossouw (SA) 2014-2016 15 14 3 327 78 29.72 237 137.97 0 2 2 29 12 CJ Anderson (NZ) 2012-2017 29 22 3 432 94* 22.73 314 137.57 0 2 3 26 24 Sharjeel Khan (PAK) 2013-2016 15 15 0 360 59 24.00 262 137.40 0 2 0 48 13 LJ Wright (ENG) 2007-2014 51 45 5 759 99* 18.97 554 137.00 0 4 9 68 31 MN Waller (ZIM) 2011-2016 28 27 5 567 68 25.77 414 136.95 0 1 2 38 26 Mohammad Shahzad (AFG) 2010-2017 58 58 3 1779 118* 32.34 1300 136.84 1 12 3 200 66 GJ Bailey (AUS/World) 2012-2017 30 26 7 473 63 24.89 346 136.70 0 2 1 37 20 Yuvraj Singh (INDIA) 2007-2017 58 51 9 1177 77* 28.02 863 136.38 0 8 1 77 74 MEK Hussey (AUS) 2005-2012 38 30 11 721 60* 37.94 529 136.29 0 4 1 58 25 BB McCullum (NZ) 2005-2015 71 70 10 2140 123 35.66 1571 136.21 2 13 3 199 91 V Kohli (INDIA) 2010-2017 51 46 12 1830 90* 53.82 1344 136.16 0 17 0 196 35 MH Cross (SCOT) 2013-2017 23 18 1 392 60 23.05 288 136.11 0 1 1 42 16 Mashrafe Mortaza (BDESH) 2006-2017 54 39 11 377 36 13.46 277 136.10 0 0 6 28 23 DT Johnston (IRE) 2008-2013 30 19 7 249 62 20.75 184 135.32 0 1 1 13 11 AD Hales (ENG) 2011-2017 48 48 6 1383 116* 32.92 1022 135.32 1 7 4 148 42 Imran Nazir (PAK) 2007-2012 25 24 1 500 72 21.73 370 135.13 0 3 2 59 22 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting What do we plan to do about it ? Are we able to demarcate between T20Is and ODIs in terms of player types and team composition ?
  21. Are we not aware of the importance of batting strike-rates in T20Is ?

    Same batting lineup continues.
  22. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    It's true At that time they all did bowl at 100 ....... kph
  23. Reserve / Backup players available for Team India

    So, we have no proper reserve players for 1) Middle-order batters for outside-Asia test matches 2) Pacer-all-rounder in tests 3) High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs. Keeping these in mind, we need to see which players are putting their hands up in this Ranji season. Although Prashant Chopra is an opener, can he play pace and seam ? .... as he has succeeded in Dharamsala Can he bat in the middle order ?
  24. Ranji Trophy 2017/18

    Interesting ! Can Atit Sheth be a bowling-allrounder prospect for India ? Will have to keep an eye on him.
  25. Thommo - how quick was he?'

    Yes .... that's right . And Waqar was really fast then. But a fastest ball of early 150s is pretty standard for all fast bowlers these days Our own Umesh, Aaron, Ishant and Shami all have fastest balls of 151 k to 153 k . The very few express bowlers 1999 onwards have all clocked 160 k or very close.

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