Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

akshayxyz · 10-27-2011, 07:40 AM

An interesting take on universe/reality, I read some time back.
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul...y-made-of-math

Of course, it is not yet possible to prove/disprove this theory, experimentally or with currently known mathematics knowledge base.
But what makes it 'believable' is the idea that - given sufficiently advanced technology (computing power and time), everything can/should be modeled using mathematical structures - including the machines/computer that model is supposed to be run/simulated on. And you do not need any matter, to begin with, for mathematical-rules/formula to exist.

Bye Bye Madraasis · 10-28-2011, 02:50 AM

Yeah, Max Tegmark has been publishing these non mainstream papers on and off for quite a while - some very interesting ideas in them, though none of them remotely within the experimental/observational realms in the near future. He is a bit of publicity driven, but really good -taught me my first Cosmology course in grad school.

punjabi_khota · 10-28-2011, 05:21 AM

Need to attend his next talk for sho

Bye Bye Madraasis · 10-28-2011, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by punjabi_khota

Need to attend his next talk for sho

His talks are uber cool - he tries to present precision Cosmology as the greatest thing man invented. Nothing wrong with his facts and figures, but just how he exemplifies even mundane progress in the field has caused quite a bit of acrimony between him and others working on the same research area.

akshayxyz · 10-29-2011, 01:46 AM

What is the fun when everyone starts agreeing with everyone else, and surely no progress...hmm progress can still happen...may be not... anyway his ideas are very interesting, must be awesome to work with.

Vijy · 03-18-2012, 11:51 PM

Hi Outsider,

I've heard Tegmark before too, and I think that he may be on to something here. It reminds me of Ed Witten's quote:

"But the beauty of Einstein's equations, for example, is just as real to anyone who's experienced it as the beauty of music. We've learned in the 20th century that the equations that work have inner harmony."

Btw, did you take his classes at U.Penn or at MIT?

Bye Bye Madraasis · 03-19-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Vijy

Hi Outsider,

I've heard Tegmark before too, and I think that he may be on to something here. It reminds me of Ed Witten's quote:

"But the beauty of Einstein's equations, for example, is just as real to anyone who's experienced it as the beauty of music. We've learned in the 20th century that the equations that work have inner harmony."

Btw, did you take his classes at U.Penn or at MIT?

Penn.

The quote is a bit too poetic for me - and perhaps it's the genius of people like Einstein who can combine that level of philosophy into an essentially scientific career.

The "best" philosophy that I've been able to come up with is along the lines of - what did the caveman do lying under the stars and wondering what it's all about after a hard days' work. The tax payer paid people are just trying to find answers to that caveman's curiosity.

Vijy · 03-19-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Outsider

Penn.

The quote is a bit too poetic for me - and perhaps it's the genius of people like Einstein who can combine that level of philosophy into an essentially scientific career.

The "best" philosophy that I've been able to come up with is along the lines of - what did the caveman do lying under the stars and wondering what it's all about after a hard days' work. The tax payer paid people are just trying to find answers to that caveman's curiosity.

Agreed. The quote does sound as if it was designed to be a "quote" - he could certainly have put it in more practical terms.

Your viewpoint is quite interesting since one could extend it to the entire world around us, and research into these areas can be thought of as a drive to satisfy one's curiosity about how and why things happen.

adi B · 03-26-2012, 04:28 PM

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10-27-2011, 07:40 AM	#1
akshayxyz The Legend Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 11,636 $ICF: 10,558,588	Mathematical Universe Hypothesis An interesting take on universe/reality, I read some time back. http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul...y-made-of-math Of course, it is not yet possible to prove/disprove this theory, experimentally or with currently known mathematics knowledge base. But what makes it 'believable' is the idea that - given sufficiently advanced technology (computing power and time), everything can/should be modeled using mathematical structures - including the machines/computer that model is supposed to be run/simulated on. And you do not need any matter, to begin with, for mathematical-rules/formula to exist.

10-28-2011, 02:50 AM	#2
Bye Bye Madraasis The Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25,494 $ICF: 1,985,130,172 My Blog	Yeah, Max Tegmark has been publishing these non mainstream papers on and off for quite a while - some very interesting ideas in them, though none of them remotely within the experimental/observational realms in the near future. He is a bit of publicity driven, but really good -taught me my first Cosmology course in grad school. Last edited by Bye Bye Madraasis : 10-28-2011 at 02:58 AM.
	Sachin Tendulkar is the number 1 batsman of his generation. " In our society, a man who does not cry at his mother's funeral is liable to be condemned to death" - Albert Camus in the foreward to "The Outsider" "Mother died today. Or, maybe, yesterday; I can't be sure" - The first few sentences of "The Outsider" by Camus

10-28-2011, 05:21 AM	#3
punjabi_khota Brown Bastard Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the phase space Posts: 12,090 $ICF: 214,501,596	Need to attend his next talk for sho
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10-28-2011, 08:13 AM	#4
Bye Bye Madraasis The Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25,494 $ICF: 1,985,130,172 My Blog	Originally Posted by punjabi_khota Need to attend his next talk for sho His talks are uber cool - he tries to present precision Cosmology as the greatest thing man invented. Nothing wrong with his facts and figures, but just how he exemplifies even mundane progress in the field has caused quite a bit of acrimony between him and others working on the same research area.
	Sachin Tendulkar is the number 1 batsman of his generation. " In our society, a man who does not cry at his mother's funeral is liable to be condemned to death" - Albert Camus in the foreward to "The Outsider" "Mother died today. Or, maybe, yesterday; I can't be sure" - The first few sentences of "The Outsider" by Camus

03-18-2012, 11:51 PM	#6
Vijy Marauder from Najafgarh Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 178 $ICF: 3,947	Hi Outsider, I've heard Tegmark before too, and I think that he may be on to something here. It reminds me of Ed Witten's quote: "But the beauty of Einstein's equations, for example, is just as real to anyone who's experienced it as the beauty of music. We've learned in the 20th century that the equations that work have inner harmony." Btw, did you take his classes at U.Penn or at MIT? Last edited by Vijy : 03-19-2012 at 12:14 AM.

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10-29-2011, 01:46 AM	#5
akshayxyz The Legend Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 11,636 $ICF: 10,558,588	What is the fun when everyone starts agreeing with everyone else, and surely no progress...hmm progress can still happen...may be not... anyway his ideas are very interesting, must be awesome to work with.

03-19-2012, 06:25 AM	#7
Bye Bye Madraasis The Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 25,494 $ICF: 1,985,130,172 My Blog	Originally Posted by Vijy Hi Outsider, I've heard Tegmark before too, and I think that he may be on to something here. It reminds me of Ed Witten's quote: "But the beauty of Einstein's equations, for example, is just as real to anyone who's experienced it as the beauty of music. We've learned in the 20th century that the equations that work have inner harmony." Btw, did you take his classes at U.Penn or at MIT? Penn. The quote is a bit too poetic for me - and perhaps it's the genius of people like Einstein who can combine that level of philosophy into an essentially scientific career. The "best" philosophy that I've been able to come up with is along the lines of - what did the caveman do lying under the stars and wondering what it's all about after a hard days' work. The tax payer paid people are just trying to find answers to that caveman's curiosity.
	Sachin Tendulkar is the number 1 batsman of his generation. " In our society, a man who does not cry at his mother's funeral is liable to be condemned to death" - Albert Camus in the foreward to "The Outsider" "Mother died today. Or, maybe, yesterday; I can't be sure" - The first few sentences of "The Outsider" by Camus

03-19-2012, 11:46 AM	#8
Vijy Marauder from Najafgarh Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 178 $ICF: 3,947	Originally Posted by The Outsider Penn. The quote is a bit too poetic for me - and perhaps it's the genius of people like Einstein who can combine that level of philosophy into an essentially scientific career. The "best" philosophy that I've been able to come up with is along the lines of - what did the caveman do lying under the stars and wondering what it's all about after a hard days' work. The tax payer paid people are just trying to find answers to that caveman's curiosity. Agreed. The quote does sound as if it was designed to be a "quote" - he could certainly have put it in more practical terms. Your viewpoint is quite interesting since one could extend it to the entire world around us, and research into these areas can be thought of as a drive to satisfy one's curiosity about how and why things happen.

03-26-2012, 04:28 PM	#9
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