Bumrah vs Hasan Ali ---- Who's better prospect.

[Pollack]

Discuss. 

[sandeep]

What are the metrics?   Ali is a Agarkar style, nippy, bustling, try and take wickets, may go for a few runs, bowler.  Bumrah is a modern day T20 specialist, his M.O. is to restrict the batsmen, and gets wickets in the process.  Very different bowlers, and not just in their actions.  

 

 

[Pollack]

13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What are the metrics?   Ali is a Agarkar style, nippy, bustling, try and take wickets, may go for a few runs, bowler.  Bumrah is a modern day T20 specialist, his M.O. is to restrict the batsmen, and gets wickets in the process.  Very different bowlers, and not just in their actions.  

 

 

Ali apart from that 400 match has been economical. Not sure but whenever watched him bowl he has been very tight in line and length.

Metric is: 

Format: ODI

That's it.

Both bumrah and Hasan aren't given new ball. Though lately bumrah has been ocassionally.

[sandeep]

17 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Ali apart from that 400 match has been economical. Not sure but whenever watched him bowl he has been very tight in line and length.

Metric is: 

Format: ODI

That's it.

Both bumrah and Hasan aren't given new ball. Though lately bumrah has been ocassionally.

IMO Bumrah should never be given the new ball - he doesn't need it.  He is probably the world's best 3rd pacer - ideally suited to play that role.  

Hassan Ali will take wickets, but will often go for runs.  He is really the second coming of Agarkar IMO.  Read somewhere - shorter browner Agarkar with smaller ears.   That is quite accurate.  

[Austin 3:!6]

Hassan Ali would be a better test bowler. Bumrah is a better T20 bowler. Both are equally good in ODIs at present buy Hassan Ali has higher ceiling. With that action, Bumrah wont last long.

 

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

 

 

[maniac]

Bumrah is really skillful at the death-has a great yorker and is improving leaps with the new ball.is also bowling really quick right now and improving gradually 

 

Hassan Ali-credit where is due is a smart bowler-no earth shattering skills or pace but does out think the batsman.if batsmen get hold of him he will go for plenty and plenty of runs-that is not a cliche plenty being the key word here.

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Hassan Ali would be a better test bowler. Bumrah is a better T20 bowler. Both are equally good in ODIs at present buy Hassan Ali has higher ceiling. With that action, Bumrah wont last long.

 

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

 

 

Hassan Ali has no swing or pace to be success at test cricket.He is a smart bowler that's it...won't cut it for test cricket because batsmen just wont try to attack him. 

[Autonomous]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Hassan Ali has no swing or pace to be success at test cricket.He is a smart bowler that's it...won't cut it for test cricket because batsmen just wont try to attack him. 

Lol wut? 

[StarWolf]

Hassan Ali all the way. Quality first choice bowler and a handy bat as well.

When he arrived in the team, he hit around 130-135kph but in just couple of months he has increased his pace to 140-145Kph. Good thing is that its not only pace with him because he is a very smart bowler as well and bowls in his limits.

Swings the ball really well and is a quality new ball bowler as well.

Bumrah on the other hand has no notable performances to name from what i have seen. I feel BV Kumar is comparable to Hassan and only on the aspect of bowling.

[StarWolf]

2 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Lol wut? 

I was surprised to read this comment as well.

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Lol wut? 

130-135k is not pace...130-135k with swing makes you potent sure.

 

Never seen Hassan Ali swing...slower balls or deceiving batsman when they are trying to attack you will not get you wicket in tests.

 

will have a good LOI career though. Not cut for tests 

[sandeep]

Just now, StarWolf said:

Hassan Ali all the way. Quality first choice bowler and a handy bat as well.

When he arrived in the team, he hit around 130-135kph but in just couple of months he has increased his pace to 140-145Kph. Good thing is that its not only pace with him because he is a very smart bowler as well and bowls in his limits.

Swings the ball really well and is a quality new ball bowler as well.

Bumrah on the other hand has no notable performances to name from what i have seen. I feel BV Kumar is comparable to Hassan and only on the aspect of bowling.

Welcome to ICF.   You may not be familiar with Bumrah's performances.  But he's one of the best in the business with the white ball.  He's a new breed of bowler who doesn't bowl to take wickets, he bowls to prevent and minimize scoring - and is really good at it.  

 

Hassan is an old school type of bowler, but I don't see him having a big test career - his build and body type indicates he won't be able to shoulder a test workload.   

[beetle]

Wow..is that Ganguly's real hair?

 

[StarWolf]

23 minutes ago, sandeep said:

IMO Bumrah should never be given the new ball - he doesn't need it.  He is probably the world's best 3rd pacer - ideally suited to play that role.  

Hassan Ali will take wickets, but will often go for runs.  He is really the second coming of Agarkar IMO.  Read somewhere - shorter browner Agarkar with smaller ears.   That is quite accurate.  

Hi sandeep, you didnt read it anywhere. I have been following ICF for quite sometime and it is only you who repeats this line all over the interwebs. Maybe you are trying to prove a point here; Agarkar was the quickest to reach the 50 marks, right? 

[Pollack]

12 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Wtf is a valid thread? As long as you are not breaking forum rules it's all valid, but that hardly was my point. Adding a random smiley doesn't take away the fact that spending an unhealthy amount of hours on padosi forums gets you agitated enough to make 'valid' threads here.

Meant Valid comparisons. Never Mind. 

[StarWolf]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

130-135k is not pace...130-135k with swing makes you potent sure.

 

Never seen Hassan Ali swing...slower balls or deceiving batsman when they are trying to attack you will not get you wicket in tests.

 

will have a good LOI career though. Not cut for tests 

The only problem is that he doesnt bowls around 130-135, its 135-140.

Never seen Hassan Ali swing? How many matches you have seen him bowl, sir?

Watch Hasan Ali's Wicket  on Cricingif http://cricingif.com/match/2860 https://www.cricingif.com/match/2860

In this simple gif, Hasan Ali is not only inswinging the ball but took a wicket @ 143KPH.

Honestly, i havent seen such an ignorant post since quite a while.

[StarWolf]

6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Welcome to ICF.   You may not be familiar with Bumrah's performances.  But he's one of the best in the business with the white ball.  He's a new breed of bowler who doesn't bowl to take wickets, he bowls to prevent and minimize scoring - and is really good at it.  

 

Hassan is an old school type of bowler, but I don't see him having a big test career - his build and body type indicates he won't be able to shoulder a test workload.   

Alright, from your description, Bumrah seems to be a typical Indian bowler whose first instinct is to limit the score and not to take wickets. Altho, i have seen Bumrah myself as well and i dont see him performing outside of the t20 format.

[maniac]

8 minutes ago, StarWolf said:

The only problem is that he doesnt bowls around 130-135, its 135-140.

Never seen Hassan Ali swing? How many matches you have seen him bowl, sir?

Watch Hasan Ali's Wicket  on Cricingif http://cricingif.com/match/2860 https://www.cricingif.com/match/2860

In this simple gif, Hasan Ali is not only inswinging the ball but took a wicket @ 143KPH.

Honestly, i havent seen such an ignorant post since quite a while.

The link you sent doesn't open on my mobile but you make it seem that Ali is as consistently quick like Starc or Rabada lol...1or 2 balls over 140+ doesn't count.

 

As I said Ali is a consistent bowler with good control...if he is such a good swing bowler why doesn't he bowl with the new ball? 

 

He he has a good seam position and good variations that's about it...an out and out LOI specialist...might get tonked around in T20s too with small grounds and flat pitches.Will do well in Odis

Edited June 12, 2017 by maniac

[Autonomous]

Just now, maniac said:

The link you sent doesn't open on my mobile but you make it seem that Ali is as consistently quick like Starc or Rabada lol...1or 2 balls over 140+ doesn't count.

 

As I said Ali is a consistent bowler with good control...if he is such a good swing bowler why doesn't he bowl with the new ball? 

 

He he has a good seam position and good variations that's about it...an out and out LOI specialist...might get tinker around in T20s to with small grounds and flat pitche

Have you seen him bowl in only test match he played? Hasan's bowling has bite and is very sharp. With old red ball he will be handful with reverse going. 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, StarWolf said:

Alright, from your description, Bumrah seems to be a typical Indian bowler whose first instinct is to limit the score and not to take wickets. Altho, i have seen Bumrah myself as well and i dont see him performing outside of the t20 format.

Lol Ali looks like a relief bowler hence gets the wickets....yes I admitted he is better than that but teams under estimate him.

 

look at Imad Wasim teams facing him for the first time tend to struggle but on 2nd look he is treated like a 2 bit part timer.

 

Hassan Ali took 5 wickets in Aus,Aus took him

seriously next game and he went for 100

runs.

 

i know you guys are looking for stars to match the bygone era but unfortunately Hassan is not that good